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New York says that viewing child porn on the internet is now legal. Do you agree?

BrianD3 2012/05/10 15:26:38
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In a controversial decision that is already sparking debate around the country, the New York Court of Appeals ruled on Tuesday that viewing child pornography online is not a crime.

"The purposeful viewing of child pornography on the internet is now legal in New York," Senior Judge Carmen Beauchamp Ciparick wrote in a majority decision for the court.


The decision came after Marist College professor James D. Kent was sentenced to prison in August 2009 after more than 100 images of child pornography were found on his computer's cache.


Whenever someone views an image online, a copy of the image's data is saved in the computer's memory cache.


The ruling attempts to distinguish between individuals who see an image of child pornography online versus those who actively download and store such images, MSNBC reports. And in this case, it was ruled that a computer's image cache is not the same as actively choosing to download and save an image.


"Merely viewing Web images of child pornography does not, absent other proof, constitute either possession or procurement within the meaning of our Penal Law," Ciparick wrote in the decision.


See a copy of the court's full ruling on the child pornography decision.


The court said it must be up to the legislature, not the courts, to determine what the appropriate response should be to those viewing images of child pornography without actually storing them. Currently, New York's legislature has no laws deeming such action criminal.


As The Atlantic Wire notes, under current New York law, "it is illegal to create, possess, distribute, promote or facilitate child pornography." But that leaves out one critical distinction, as Judge Ciparick stated in the court's decision.



"[S]ome affirmative act is required (printing, saving, downloading, etc.) to show that defendant in fact exercised dominion and control over the images that were on his screen," Ciparick wrote. "To hold otherwise, would extend the reach of (state law) to conduct—viewing—that our Legislature has not deemed criminal."


The case originated when Kent brought his computer in to be checked for viruses, complaining that it was running slowly. He has subsequently denied downloading the images himself.

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  • Andy 2012/05/10 15:32:56
    Disagree
    Andy
    +5
    So 100 pics just randomly showed up on his computer...he didn't REALLY DOWNLOAD THESE!?!?!? One or two maybe, but 100... who is fooling who??

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  • BrianD3 Anonymo... 2012/05/11 16:13:48
    BrianD3
    +1
    color me skeptical
  • HipJipC BrianD3 2012/05/11 20:48:52
    HipJipC
    Yes, me too.
  • HipJipC Anonymo... 2012/05/10 21:33:28
    HipJipC
    +1
    Supply and demand. If there were no demand there would be no need for supply. The consumer feeds the fire, just like the John and the prostitute. They finally started going after the Johns, holding them equally responsible. Same should be done here. The only part I question is that he did himself bring in his computer to be checked for viruses. He is either really stupid or possibly someone else had access to his computer. This is the very reason why no one uses my computer without me being right there.
  • Anonymo... HipJipC 2012/05/10 21:36:07
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    So fine them and get them help. Prostitution should be legal, Prohibition has shown us that banning something doesn't stop it, it just makes it more dangerous.
  • Constit... BrianD3 2012/05/11 00:43:44
    Constitution Believer
    +1
    ONE PICTURE IS TO MUCH.
  • BrianD3 Constit... 2012/05/11 11:14:11
    BrianD3
    one picture in a cache could be regarded as a mistake as I know full well that I have seen content that I didn not look for but 100 shows that he was not a casual innocent web browser
  • HipJipC Anonymo... 2012/05/10 21:23:29
    HipJipC
    +1
    How exactly does someone accidentally stumble across child porn? I've been online for 17 years and never "stumbled" across child porn even when filters weren't available. When this happened filters were available. One doesn't stumble into this evil today, one seeks it out. That excuse might have worked years ago but I don't believe it now.
  • Anonymo... HipJipC 2012/05/10 21:34:12
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +1
    It's entirely possible, especially when one is not fully acquainted with the Internet. People make mistakes, they could go on a dodgy website that links you to a website with child porn, or you could get a virus that uploads it onto your computer.
  • HipJipC Anonymo... 2012/05/11 20:55:57
    HipJipC
    I still think it's an excuse. Reminds me of what this guy said once on the radio. This girl was pregnant with him and he said it was an accident. The guy from the radio station said, "What, you stumbled over her completely naked and your penis accidentally went into her?" 100 photos in the cache is not a "stumble".
  • Anonymo... HipJipC 2012/05/11 22:00:55
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    I agree, I never said that this person is innocent, he probably did do it.
  • Constit... Anonymo... 2012/05/11 00:43:24
    Constitution Believer
    +2
    THERE IS NO EXCUSE......ALL I CAN SAY IS TOUCH MY CHILD YOU BETTER BE ABLE TO RUN FASTER THEN MY 6 LITTLE FRIENDS FROM MY TWO OTHER FRIENDS MR. SMITH AND MR. WESSON.
  • Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET 2012/05/10 17:19:48
    Disagree
    Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET
    +1
    If you did not have morons that view this filth then it would not exist. While one or two accidental photos in a computer cache might be understandable, my understanding in the case it was 100's this is not accidental viewing
  • sjalan 2012/05/10 17:14:50
    All of the above
    sjalan
    +2
    The State of New York's laws do not include punishment for simply watching child porn. They are incomplete in their scope as the court said, making the viewing of child porn legal in NY.

    Do I thing that they need to repair their laws, YES!
  • ProudProgressive 2012/05/10 17:14:06
    Disagree
    ProudProgressive
    That's actually not what the Court said. What they said was that in THIS case the state had not proven that the Defendant downloaded the images on his computer or even that he had seen them. The Defendant claimed throughout the case that he did not know how the images got on his computer, and apparently he was not the only person who had access to the computer. [I would tend not to believe the Defendant on this, but remember that it is the Prosecution's burden of proof and all the Court actually said was that the Prosecution had not met its burden.]

    I agree this was a flawed decision, but you should try to get your facts straight.
  • BrianD3 ProudPr... 2012/05/10 17:16:52
    BrianD3
    "it is illegal to create, possess, distribute, promote or facilitate child pornography." But that leaves out one critical distinction, as Judge Ciparick stated in the court's decision.

    "[S]ome affirmative act is required (printing, saving, downloading, etc.) to show that defendant in fact exercised dominion and control over the images that were on his screen," Ciparick wrote. "To hold otherwise, would extend the reach of (state law) to conduct—viewing—that our Legislature has not deemed criminal."


    That was the opinion of the judge, take it up with them.
  • ProudPr... BrianD3 2012/05/10 17:28:37
    ProudProgressive
    +2
    As I said, I agree this is flawed. But it seems that the problem is that the laws of New York as they currently stand are not sufficiently comprehensive to cover a situation like this. The only clause in the current law that might apply is the part about "possession", and from the Judge's opinion it seems that the prosecution was unable to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant knew the images were on the computer. Personally, I believe the guy knew exactly what he was doing and was a pedophile, but in our system of justice we still have to play by the rules, and the rules include "innocent until proven guilty". I'm thoroughly convinced that OJ Simpson murdered his wife, but when the prosecution couldn't prove it, OJ walked away. That doesn't mean he's not a murderer, and this ruling doesn't mean that the defendant isn't a pedophile.
  • BrianD3 ProudPr... 2012/05/10 17:29:43
    BrianD3
    I agree
  • Kim 2012/05/10 17:12:08
    Disagree
    Kim
    +2
    I have been on the internet for more than 15 years now and have never once in all that time "accidentally" viewed anything child pornographic. I am sure it can happen but I think most who see it wanted to see it and that it should be illegal...I have my computer set to not cache anything....this ruling leaves it open so that now viewing it is legal, what will this idiotic country we live in do next...legalize that "act": itself.....
  • Resp 2012/05/10 17:11:49 (edited)
    All of the above
    Resp
    +2
    Even law enforcement must view child porn to determine if a violation has occurred. Therefore, it is difficult to determine ones motive for viewing child porn. Why don't they chase the purveyors of child porn?
  • Sport_G... Resp 2012/05/10 17:18:03
    Sport_Geoff
    +1
    You make a very good point. The war on drugs has long been centered around getting those who bring in and sell the drugs to the users under the impression that if you cut off the source you solve a large part of the illegal drug trade. If it's a good plan for the war on drugs surely it is a good plan for child pornography.
  • Vitalani 2012/05/10 17:07:17
    All of the above
    Vitalani
    +1
    This isn't as cut and dry as it seems.
  • Caedus0... Vitalani 2012/05/10 17:07:55
    Caedus01 Sith Lord of the PHAET
    i sure hope it is not
  • Melody 2012/05/10 17:05:13
    Disagree
    Melody
    +3
    What the hell?!?!
  • Link 2012/05/10 17:04:02
    Agree
    Link
    +1
    I am against the child pornography industry...

    With that said, how many times have we done a search on the net, and regardless of how we word the search criteria, all kinds of "other" results also pop up? Yes, there are filters we can set... So, each time we innocently search and "other" results show up, the computer is automatically storing such images in the cache...

    So, without other proof of illicit act and intention, this automatic storing of such images should not considered illegal... How many people would be in facing charges or already our prisons for something they did not intentionally or willfully do?

    Now, if there is other evidence in existence that the act was intentional, then and only then should charges be brought against the individual.
  • Constit... Link 2012/05/11 00:53:54
    Constitution Believer
    +1
    Link I am confused you voted that you agree that kiddy porn is ok yet you are saying you are against kiddy porn....
    I say TOUCH MY KID IN ANY FASHION AND YOUR BUTT BELONGS TO ME...AND SOMEONE IS GOING TO LOOK MIGHTY FUNNY GOING TO THE POLICE STATION LOOKING LIKE A LOLLY POP ON A STICK.
  • Link Constit... 2012/05/11 15:14:54
    Link
    +1
    am gainst Child Porn... what I am in favour of is making the laws and punishments more clear... because, as in the answer I wrote, there are cases where it is beyond the help of someone on the computer sometimes (NOT ALWAYS)... there are times when the searcher in Google or such search engines is completely innocent of searching for that, but in their search for whatever, that also comes up... the computer stores the images, not stored intentionally by the user...

    All I'm saying is that the laws need to be clearer... to protect those who unintentionally stumble into it... but come down hard on those who view it intentionally....

    I agree with you... someone looks at my kids... well, now my grandkids... in that way, there will be hell to pay....

    I hope that clears it up... Some do say that, if no one looks at child porn, it won't exist... that won't happen, unfortunately... it will always be out there, so we have to make the laws clearer, more precise... hard on those guilty of intentional viewing... but not go after one's who unintentionally come across it... there has to be proof that the person intentionally and knowingly looked for it and viewed it...

    I had a case involving my own daughters many years ago... and trust me, I pursued it it legally... but it disgusted me knowing t...
    am gainst Child Porn... what I am in favour of is making the laws and punishments more clear... because, as in the answer I wrote, there are cases where it is beyond the help of someone on the computer sometimes (NOT ALWAYS)... there are times when the searcher in Google or such search engines is completely innocent of searching for that, but in their search for whatever, that also comes up... the computer stores the images, not stored intentionally by the user...

    All I'm saying is that the laws need to be clearer... to protect those who unintentionally stumble into it... but come down hard on those who view it intentionally....

    I agree with you... someone looks at my kids... well, now my grandkids... in that way, there will be hell to pay....

    I hope that clears it up... Some do say that, if no one looks at child porn, it won't exist... that won't happen, unfortunately... it will always be out there, so we have to make the laws clearer, more precise... hard on those guilty of intentional viewing... but not go after one's who unintentionally come across it... there has to be proof that the person intentionally and knowingly looked for it and viewed it...

    I had a case involving my own daughters many years ago... and trust me, I pursued it it legally... but it disgusted me knowing that, in an effort to investigate and proceed, the law enforcement officers ahd to view the photos of my daughters... and even with the photos, the person got away with it... I was warned not to do anything to him, because they'd look right at me...
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  • Diana 2012/05/10 16:59:53
    Disagree
    Diana
    +3
    If child porn is illegal.it shouldn't be on the internet to view,
  • merlinskiss 2012/05/10 16:41:17
    Disagree
    merlinskiss
    +1
    It is all about the sexual exploitation of children. In my book, users of child porn create the demand and without demand, there would be no child porn. But I am pretty sure that throwing viewers of child porn in jail is counter productive. Child molesters and those making the porn I can see.
  • HipJipC merlins... 2012/05/10 22:55:24
    HipJipC
    +1
    Viewers of child porn are no different than those who make it. They keep the fires burning and in doing so condone and support the horrors that befall these children.
    "In 2007, the British-based Internet Watch Foundation reported that child pornography on the Internet is becoming more brutal and graphic, and the number of images depicting violent abuse has risen fourfold since 2003.[43] The CEO stated "The worrying issue is the severity and the gravity of the images is increasing. We're talking about prepubescent children being raped." About 80 percent of the children in the abusive images are female, and 91 percent appear to be children under the age of 12."
    "Children of all ages, including infants,[27] are abused in the production of pornography.[9][16] The United States Department of Justice estimates that pornographers have recorded the abuse of more than one million children in the United States alone.[28] There is an increasing trend towards younger victims and greater brutality; according to Flint Waters, an investigator with the federal Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, "These guys are raping infants and toddlers. You can hear the child crying, pleading for help in the video. It is horrendous."[29] According to the World Congress against Commercial Sexual Expl...

    Viewers of child porn are no different than those who make it. They keep the fires burning and in doing so condone and support the horrors that befall these children.
    "In 2007, the British-based Internet Watch Foundation reported that child pornography on the Internet is becoming more brutal and graphic, and the number of images depicting violent abuse has risen fourfold since 2003.[43] The CEO stated "The worrying issue is the severity and the gravity of the images is increasing. We're talking about prepubescent children being raped." About 80 percent of the children in the abusive images are female, and 91 percent appear to be children under the age of 12."
    "Children of all ages, including infants,[27] are abused in the production of pornography.[9][16] The United States Department of Justice estimates that pornographers have recorded the abuse of more than one million children in the United States alone.[28] There is an increasing trend towards younger victims and greater brutality; according to Flint Waters, an investigator with the federal Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, "These guys are raping infants and toddlers. You can hear the child crying, pleading for help in the video. It is horrendous."[29] According to the World Congress against Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children, "While impossible to obtain accurate data, a perusal of the child pornography readily available on the international market indicates that a significant number of children are being sexually exploited through this medium."[30]"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    The viewers belong in jail right next to the producers and they need to be violated in the worse ways and even then they will never comprehend what it's like to be a 3-year-old child screaming while some sick F**k is ripping them apart! What's counter productive is the fact that our justice system is too lenient. The producers and the viewers know that it is wrong but yet they do it anyway. They have opportunity to get help, but they don't. What kind of human being can watch an infant girl get raped while she's screaming and be ok with that???? They are human garbage and need to be removed from society ... period! They are NOT the victims here. THE CHILDREN ARE!!
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  • Classical Liberal 2012/05/10 16:23:18
    All of the above
    Classical Liberal
    +2
    I don't agree with making the viewing of child pornography legal, but I don't agree with just throwing offenders in prison either. These people need mental help, not to get sent to prison where they can learn how to kidnap and rape from those who've done it before so that they can act more directly upon their mental disorder.

    That said, I don't think you should be punished for a couple of images in your cache, but 100 images is pretty clear evidence that he was actively viewing it.
  • HipJipC Classic... 2012/05/11 21:23:59
    HipJipC
    The law needs to be changed drastically! These inhuman pieces of garbage are witnessing HORRIFIC CRIMES against children and they are not reporting those crimes. They are an accessory after the fact, guilty by association. I don't care where they throw them, prison, mental institution, island or another planet, they need to be removed from society.
  • Steve J~PWCM~JLA 2012/05/10 16:17:04
    Agree
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    Until the legislature makes it illegal, then it is legal. The court chose NOT to make law and leave that to the Legislature. Should the Legislature make it illegal? Yes.

    I wish our SCOTUS would stop making laws up as they go and bounce it back into Congresses lap, to do the hard work they try to avoid.
  • Sport_Geoff 2012/05/10 16:10:28
    Disagree
    Sport_Geoff
    +3
    If there were 100 images in the cache it really stands to reason that this wasn't a result of a malware or virus program that redirects people to these type pages. There are ways they could have determined if the viewing was accidental or the result of a search.

    I think that searching for, viewing, or downloading of child porn should be a crime as it encourages the perverts that post it to post more. As I said, it's very easy to tell whats accidental or a redirection or what has been actively sought out.

    Time for the legislature to get their butts in gear as the judge ruled the only way he could under the law and circumstances probably.
  • fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust" 2012/05/10 16:02:18 (edited)
    Agree
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    +3
    Read the article closely, not just the headline.

    The court ruled that current laws exclude VIEWING as long as you don't download.

    "The court said it must be up to the legislature, not the courts, to determine what the appropriate response should be to those viewing images of child pornography without actually storing them. Currently, New York's legislature has no laws deeming such action criminal."



    Here we have the Judicial Branch doing their job and asking the Legislative Branch to do theirs. (The Judicial Branch doesn't write laws)



    It is now up to the Legislature to amend the laws to make it illegal to view child porn. I'm writing my reps.
  • Steve J... fuzzy K... 2012/05/10 16:09:51
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +4
    Fuzzy, you are saying the courts shouldn't be writing and creating laws? Tell that to the Supremes!!!!!! Forcing Legislatures to do their Job? How cruel you are.
  • BrianD3 Steve J... 2012/05/10 16:11:37
    BrianD3
    +2
    Activist judges are only bad when they are conservatives
  • Steve J... BrianD3 2012/05/10 16:18:48
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Ain't that the truth.

    Nice trick question BTW.
  • BrianD3 Steve J... 2012/05/10 16:27:59
    BrianD3
    +1
    I agree that from a legal standpoint that the judges made the right decision but I still dont like it one bit. I hope the legislature drops whatever it is doing and pounds out a new law pronto.
  • ProudPr... BrianD3 2012/05/10 17:17:55
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    LOL I guess you're not familiar with the New York State Legislature. They don't know the meaning of the word "pronto"!
  • BrianD3 ProudPr... 2012/05/10 17:27:09
    BrianD3
    I am not familliar with them. For once, you are right, lol.

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