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New poll indicates that support for Obamacare up 11% among Independents after Supreme court ruled it Constitutional.

Q 2012/07/02 19:54:04
Yes Independants support of the reform will continue to rise.
No support among Independant voters will flat line.
Actually support among Independants will erode over time.
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According to a recent Reuters/IPSOS poll, 38% of Independents support the healthcare overhaul in a poll taken after the SC ruled it Constitutional. That was up from 27% in their poll taken days before the Supreme Court ruling.

Among all registered voters support rose to 48% up from 43% before the ruling.

I think we all know there will always be fierce opposition to the law among republicans who were probably going to vote for the republican candidate no matter what the Supreme court ruled. But will public opinion among Independent voters continue to rise leading up to the election in November?

We all know that its the Independent voters that both campaigns are going after since they'll probably be the deciding factor come November. The only question is since Romney has now made repealing health care reform his campaign platform's centerpiece is how the all important Independent voters will feel about the new reforms. Will their support flat line, roll back or continue rising with these voters? Even though overall support of the bill isn't that strong many polls indicate that portions of the law poll very high so just maybe the more they learn about the provisions of the law their overall support of the law will continue to rise as well?
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  • ProudProgressive 2012/07/02 23:11:58
    Yes Independants support of the reform will continue to rise.
    ProudProgressive
    +8
    As it has been since this bill was first proposed, it seems that the only people who oppose the law fall into two categories (or both):

    1. People who oppose anything President Obama does, no matter what it is and no matter how much better off they are as a result.

    2. People who believe all of the lies about what's in the law, like death panels, government takeover of health care, pulling the plug on grandma, and the most recent lie, "biggest tax increase in history".

    The more people have an honest picture of what this law accomplishes, the more they support it. Of course, the die hard Obama Haters are generally incapable of telling the difference between reality and fantasy anyway.

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  • bob h. 2012/09/01 13:52:29
    Yes Independants support of the reform will continue to rise.
    bob h.
    So 11% more think HC is good. What a brain twister that must have been.
  • lee 2012/07/05 19:07:22
    Yes Independants support of the reform will continue to rise.
    lee
    +1
    the more they find out the truth about what is actually in the ACA the more they will like what they see.

    until now, most ppl only know that the rightwing media is telling them about it ... "death panels", "government take over of heath care", "its going to makes costs go UP"....

    none of which are actually true.
  • GuruA2J~#IOKIYAR~612 BLOCKT 2012/07/04 21:22:34
    Yes Independants support of the reform will continue to rise.
    GuruA2J~#IOKIYAR~612 BLOCKT
    +1
    I remember when Candidate Obama was on the campaign trail; many proposals he made regarding healthcare were excellent, common sense ideas. I remember when my healthcare provider started digitizing patient records. He acknowledged that healthcare reform was the reason for doing so. When the office started sending my prescriptions electronically to the pharmacy I was grateful I wouldn't have to worry about the pharmacist not being able to read a handwritten script or prescribing the wrong meds. For someone with allergies to certain medications, it is comforting to know a mistake of that magnitude will not happen to me.

    As an Independent who is also a Medicare beneficiary, I wholeheartedly support the ACA & am thankful President Obama made it happen.
  • aherbert 2012/07/03 21:25:31
    Yes Independants support of the reform will continue to rise.
    aherbert
    +2
    Healthcare reform is the right thing for Amerca ....

    independents support healthcare reform
  • KrSpo 2012/07/03 13:52:26
    Yes Independants support of the reform will continue to rise.
    KrSpo
    +2
    Independents are the only thing that can save this nation from Romney and his Big Business buddies.
  • Sissy 2012/07/03 11:22:24
    Yes Independants support of the reform will continue to rise.
    Sissy
    +2
    I think it will rise more as people finally begin to realize just what this Bill will do for all of us. All they actually have to do is take a closer look at what it has already done for the people of Mass where it was first implemented under you-know-who. 98% of all children now have health benefits and no, there has been no "massive tax increases" on the citizens of that state.
  • Q Sissy 2012/07/03 11:33:17
    Q
    +2
    Agreed, and I thought I read somewhere that the "penalty fee" only affected 1% of the people in Massachusetts after all?

    Most people are beginning to see through the GOP's misinformation/smear campaign...well the ones who aren't close minded on this issue anyway. That's just hope that this trend continues leading up to the November election.
  • GuruA2J... Q 2012/07/04 20:55:34
    GuruA2J~#IOKIYAR~612 BLOCKT
    The penalty fee in MA is so much higher than what was incorporated into the ACA also.
  • Steve 2012/07/03 05:34:25
    Yes Independants support of the reform will continue to rise.
    Steve
    +3
    It's very good legislation that's been lied about. People who see the benefits will not want it repealed.
  • Rich 2012/07/03 05:20:42
    Yes Independants support of the reform will continue to rise.
    Rich
    +3
    Support will grow as people begin to reap the benefits.
  • Spizzzo BN-0 2012/07/03 05:19:22
    Yes Independants support of the reform will continue to rise.
    Spizzzo BN-0
    +3
    If they have a lick of sense, and I think they do.
  • Ken 2012/07/03 05:11:58
    Actually support among Independants will erode over time.
    Ken
    +1
    and the othe 62%??????????????
  • Brian ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/07/03 03:52:29
    Actually support among Independants will erode over time.
    Brian ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    As a libertarian, I can never support more governmental intrusions into our lives.
  • Kane Fernau 2012/07/03 03:07:31
    Yes Independants support of the reform will continue to rise.
    Kane Fernau
    +1
    The largest tax increase in history.
  • Q Kane Fe... 2012/07/03 03:14:20
    Q
    +4
    No actually it not, in fact Politifact investigated the claim and called it a Pants on Fire Lie!

    The federal Joint Committee on Taxation, a nonpartisan committee of Congress with a professional staff of economists, attorneys and accountants, provided members a detailed breakdown of the tax impact of the health care law from 2010-2019.

    • Starting in 2013, Medicare payroll taxes increase 0.9 percentage points for people with incomes over $200,000 ($250,000 for couples filing jointly). Also, people at this income level would pay a new 3.8 percent tax on investment income. The 10-year cost: $210.2 billion.

    • Starting in 2018, a new 40 percent excise tax on high-cost health plans, so-called "Cadillac plans" (over $10,200 for individuals, $27,500 for families), kicks in. That's expected to bring the government a total of $32 billion in 2018 and 2019.

    • Starting in 2011, there's a new fee for pharmaceutical manufacturers and importers. That's expected to raise $27 billion over 10 years.

    • Starting in 2013, a 2.3 percent excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices starts. The 10-year total: $20 billion.

    • Starting in 2014, a new annual fee on health insurance providers begins. Total estimated 10-year revenue: $60.1 billion.

    • Starting in 2013, the ...









    No actually it not, in fact Politifact investigated the claim and called it a Pants on Fire Lie!

    The federal Joint Committee on Taxation, a nonpartisan committee of Congress with a professional staff of economists, attorneys and accountants, provided members a detailed breakdown of the tax impact of the health care law from 2010-2019.

    • Starting in 2013, Medicare payroll taxes increase 0.9 percentage points for people with incomes over $200,000 ($250,000 for couples filing jointly). Also, people at this income level would pay a new 3.8 percent tax on investment income. The 10-year cost: $210.2 billion.

    • Starting in 2018, a new 40 percent excise tax on high-cost health plans, so-called "Cadillac plans" (over $10,200 for individuals, $27,500 for families), kicks in. That's expected to bring the government a total of $32 billion in 2018 and 2019.

    • Starting in 2011, there's a new fee for pharmaceutical manufacturers and importers. That's expected to raise $27 billion over 10 years.

    • Starting in 2013, a 2.3 percent excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices starts. The 10-year total: $20 billion.

    • Starting in 2014, a new annual fee on health insurance providers begins. Total estimated 10-year revenue: $60.1 billion.

    • Starting in 2013, the floor on medical expense deductions on itemized income tax returns will be raised from 7.5 percent to 10 percent of income. That's expected to bring in $15.2 billion over the next 10 years.

    • Starting in 2011, a 10 percent excise tax on indoor tanning services. That's expected to bring in $2.7 billion over the next 10 years.

    There also is money in the law going the other way. The plan includes government money, in the form of tax credits, to subsidize the cost of health insurance for lower-income people who don't get insurance through their employer. For the record, many Republicans and tax experts argue those shouldn't count as tax cuts. And there is a tax cut for some very small businesses that allows them to write off a portion of the cost of providing insurance to their employees.

    Combined with various other revenue-generating provisions, the Joint Committee on Taxation estimates the health law will bring in more than $437.8 billion by 2019. The government's nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimated the additional revenues coming in to the government to be $525 billion between now and 2019.

    Does that translate to the biggest tax increase in American history?

    http://www.politifact.com/tru...
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  • Kane Fe... Q 2012/07/03 03:39:36
    Kane Fernau
    Wish in one hand s--t in the other and see what you have the most of. Every time the government gives an estimate of what a program will cost triple it and multiply by four and you'll get a better estimate.
  • mich52 Kane Fe... 2012/07/03 05:08:00
    mich52
    +3
    BS doesn't beat facts, you lose. Models are crap just like opinions.
  • Kane Fe... mich52 2012/07/03 15:15:06
    Kane Fernau
    CBO: Obamacare Would Cost Over $2 Trillion
    6:36 PM, Mar 18, 2010 • By JEFFREY H. ANDERSON



    The CBO’s most recent analysis is out, and it’s not likely to convince wavering House Democrats to jump to the Obamacare side of the fence. Even the Democrats are granting that the latest version of their proposed health care overhaul would cost $69 billion more than the previous version. According to the CBO, this version would siphon even more money out of Medicare, make even further cuts to Medicare Advantage, and levy even higher taxes and fines on the American people.
    CBO: Obamacare Would Cost Over Trillion

    President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, and their allies, are cheerfully citing “ten year” costs of $940,000,000,000.00 — apparently believing this to be a far more palatable figure than $1 trillion. But even this colossal tally is like the introductory price quoted by a cell phone provider. It’s the price before you pay for minutes, fees, and overcharges — and before the price balloons after the introductory offer expires.

    For a variety of reasons, this tally doesn’t remotely reflect the bill’s real ten-year costs. First, it includes 2010 as the initial year. As most people are well aware, 2010 has now been underway for some time. Therefore, the CBO would normally count 2011 a...
    CBO: Obamacare Would Cost Over $2 Trillion
    6:36 PM, Mar 18, 2010 • By JEFFREY H. ANDERSON



    The CBO’s most recent analysis is out, and it’s not likely to convince wavering House Democrats to jump to the Obamacare side of the fence. Even the Democrats are granting that the latest version of their proposed health care overhaul would cost $69 billion more than the previous version. According to the CBO, this version would siphon even more money out of Medicare, make even further cuts to Medicare Advantage, and levy even higher taxes and fines on the American people.
    CBO: Obamacare Would Cost Over Trillion

    President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, and their allies, are cheerfully citing “ten year” costs of $940,000,000,000.00 — apparently believing this to be a far more palatable figure than $1 trillion. But even this colossal tally is like the introductory price quoted by a cell phone provider. It’s the price before you pay for minutes, fees, and overcharges — and before the price balloons after the introductory offer expires.

    For a variety of reasons, this tally doesn’t remotely reflect the bill’s real ten-year costs. First, it includes 2010 as the initial year. As most people are well aware, 2010 has now been underway for some time. Therefore, the CBO would normally count 2011 as the first year of its analysis, just as it counted 2010 as the first year when analyzing the initial House health bill in the middle of 2009. But under strict instructions from Democratic leaders, and over strong objections from Republicans, the CBO dutifully scored 2010 as the first year of the latest version of Obamacare. If the clock were started in 2011, the first full year that the bill could possibly be in effect, the CBO says that the bill’s ten-year costs would be $1.2 trillion.
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  • Q Kane Fe... 2012/07/03 17:04:48
    Q
    +2
    The Weekly Standard's Jeffery H. Anderson really?

    No thanks, I tend to trust a Pulitzer winning factchecking site to tell the truth on this issue over a conservative complaining that the CBO cost est. is wrong because it included 2010. Any way how does a difference between cost estimates of 940,000,000,000 compared to 1.2 trillion translate into the largest tax increase in history?

    In no way does this column prove the case that Obamacare is the biggest tax increase in history.
  • Kane Fe... Q 2012/07/03 17:10:55 (edited)
    Kane Fernau
    Politifact is as leftist as Media Matters. http://www.redstate.com/erick...
  • Q Kane Fe... 2012/07/03 17:14:57 (edited)
    Q
    +2
    Here ya go with the conservative spin crap again, redstate.com Really??

    So a right wing site takes issue with a couple of their sources, you act like because a right wing site disagrees with a couple of their findings that they should be dismissed as biased, not likely.
  • mich52 Q 2012/07/03 17:37:11
    mich52
    +2
    True nothing more the right-wing idiocy..
  • Kane Fe... Q 2012/07/03 17:52:21
    Kane Fernau
    How many links do you want? http://oregoncatalyst.com/746...
  • GuruA2J... Q 2012/07/04 21:06:27
    GuruA2J~#IOKIYAR~612 BLOCKT
    More Reich Wing idiocy my friend. That's how Glenn Beck was so successful, "You can't believe anybody but US cuz we're the ONLY ONE(s) who will give you the TRUTH!"

    As my momma often said, "In the pig's eye!"
  • mich52 Kane Fe... 2012/07/03 17:35:12
  • Kane Fe... mich52 2012/07/03 17:52:53
    Kane Fernau
    http://oregoncatalyst.com/746... How many links do you want?
  • mich52 Kane Fe... 2012/07/03 18:22:33
    mich52
    +1
    None, I wouldn't trust anything you posted to be unbiased or true..
  • Kane Fe... mich52 2012/07/03 18:32:49
    Kane Fernau
    I know. Dealing with facts makes your head explode!
  • mich52 Kane Fe... 2012/07/03 18:51:17
    mich52
    +1
    Facts? Cons. don't even know what facts are.. But I have a life so enjoy your day sitting on your fat ass..
  • Kane Fe... mich52 2012/07/03 19:52:32
    Kane Fernau
    You so cool
  • Q Kane Fe... 2012/07/03 18:52:25
    Q
    +1
    You have yet to show a single fact to support your lie that its the biggest tax increase in history.

    All you've done is try and discredit Politifact since you obviously can't support that whopper of a lie.
  • Kane Fe... Q 2012/07/03 19:54:27
    Kane Fernau
    Politifact has humiliated itself and anybody that doesn't know that is ignoring reality. Hell, If you believe it that makes it true. A lie told often enough becomes truth.
  • Q Kane Fe... 2012/07/03 20:08:36
    Q
    +2
    Utter nonsense and you know it. You're repeating that whopper about the "supposed" biggest tax increase in history is a prime example of trying to repeat it enough so that it becomes a truth to the low information conservative voters. They are a gullible lot after all.

    Good luck with that because that dog won't hunt.
  • Kane Fe... Q 2012/07/03 20:19:24
    Kane Fernau
    21 new taxes are created. It's an economy killer and unsustainable. European countries pay 65% of their income to taxes to pay for their socialized healthcare and they are bankrupt.
    A "socialist" is whatever a leftist wants it to be at any point in a
    given political argument. Socialism is just another flavor of
    totalitarian statism, along with fascism, communism, Naziism,
    Progressivism and all the other variations of the same preposterous idea
    that has plagued humanity for the past 100 years. That idea is
    that society ought to be ordered by a group of elite "planners" who operate to implement their schemes through densely concentrated government power. Thus, a socialist is someone who is opposed to the very concept of human liberty.
    A socialist is someone who thinks of himself as a "scientific" thinker, yet
    refuses to recognize the easily observable fact that during the last
    100 years, every variation of statism has failed miserably, bringing
    economic collapse, hardship and death to every society that has tried
    it. Even the impending collapse of Europe, and the economic peril
    facing the United States, is not sufficient to inspire a glimmer of
    self-doubt, a smidgen of question, in the mind of a socialist regarding
    the viability of statism.
    A socialist is someone who imagines
    that there e...


    21 new taxes are created. It's an economy killer and unsustainable. European countries pay 65% of their income to taxes to pay for their socialized healthcare and they are bankrupt.
    A "socialist" is whatever a leftist wants it to be at any point in a
    given political argument. Socialism is just another flavor of
    totalitarian statism, along with fascism, communism, Naziism,
    Progressivism and all the other variations of the same preposterous idea
    that has plagued humanity for the past 100 years. That idea is
    that society ought to be ordered by a group of elite "planners" who operate to implement their schemes through densely concentrated government power. Thus, a socialist is someone who is opposed to the very concept of human liberty.
    A socialist is someone who thinks of himself as a "scientific" thinker, yet
    refuses to recognize the easily observable fact that during the last
    100 years, every variation of statism has failed miserably, bringing
    economic collapse, hardship and death to every society that has tried
    it. Even the impending collapse of Europe, and the economic peril
    facing the United States, is not sufficient to inspire a glimmer of
    self-doubt, a smidgen of question, in the mind of a socialist regarding
    the viability of statism.
    A socialist is someone who imagines
    that there exists a big bottomless pot of money that belongs to nobody
    in particular, and that the highest manifestation of statesmanship is
    just to hand it out.
    A socialist is someone who opposes human slavery only to the extent that the slaves are privately owned.
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  • Q Kane Fe... 2012/07/03 20:24:52
    Q
    +2
    Here ya go again posting the same cut and paste right wing crap without even providing a link giving the author any credit. How you think this proves its the largest tax increase in history is beyond me, its just more right wing drivel.
  • Kane Fe... Q 2012/07/03 20:56:09 (edited)
    Kane Fernau
    I don't know who the author is. But if the shoe fits!! It won't matter what I post you'll kill the messenger. Do you think 50 million people get healthcare for free? Every person in America will either buy insurance or pay a tax. Across the board tax increase, and the middle class gets hit the hardest.
  • Q Kane Fe... 2012/07/03 21:21:16
    Q
    +1
    Let me guess...you got it in an email right?
  • Kane Fe... Q 2012/07/03 23:18:27 (edited)
    Kane Fernau
    No it was a page on the pros and cons of socialism. It doesn't matter it's the truth. If you want to see what democrat rule does Detroit is the perfect example.
  • EdVenture Q 2012/07/03 05:04:24
    EdVenture
    +2
    Thanks for that info Q i'll do a little more research but that is what i've been coming up with. Great post!
  • Q EdVenture 2012/07/03 10:48:26
    Q
    +4
    Your welcome and thanks, According to the independent Congressional Budget Office Obamacare will provide the largest middle class tax cuts for health care in history.

    Nineteen million people will receive tax credits worth an average of 4800.00 each to help them afford health insurance resulting in millions of Americans getting health insurance. All too many working class Americans don't earn enough to be able to buy health insurance yet make too much to qualify for medicare and this addresses those people that slip through that crack.

    And if you haven't seen it out yet here's an article/question you might want to check out?
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

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