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New Hampshire Legalizes Gay Marriage, Exempts Clergy from Ceremonies: Is this fair?
Creamy June 04, 2009 00:53:56
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The New Hampshire legislature and Governor John Lynch have approved a revised same-sex marriage bill. New Hampshire is now the sixth state in the United States to legalize gay marriage.
Governor Lynch had long been an advocate of civil unions, but more recently began supporting same-sex marriage, stating that "a separate system is not an equal system."
However, Lynch has also given special privileges to members of the clergy, who are now exempt from having to perform same-sex marriages or provide marriage counseling.
Now that the legalization of gay marriage is sweeping the U.S., should governors take after Lynch and start exempting the clergy from having to perform at gay marriage ceremonies?
Governor Lynch had long been an advocate of civil unions, but more recently began supporting same-sex marriage, stating that "a separate system is not an equal system."
However, Lynch has also given special privileges to members of the clergy, who are now exempt from having to perform same-sex marriages or provide marriage counseling.
Now that the legalization of gay marriage is sweeping the U.S., should governors take after Lynch and start exempting the clergy from having to perform at gay marriage ceremonies?
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The clergy should not be forced to perform in gay marriage ceremonies...
The state shouldn't force churches to go against their beliefs. They have the right to decide whether or not they want to preform the service. Besides what person would want be married by someone who doesn't accept them.View thread
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Good on you, New Hampshire!
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Tax exemption is where the real questions arise.
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http://www.whatliberalmedia.c...
Even if you don't believe Alterman from that, it is at least enough evidence that the general acceptance without criticsm of your idea that there's a "iberal, pro-homosexual bias" in "mainstream media" should be dropped.
It should not be too hard for you to find more complete stories covering the more complete situations for those situations. If you have done so, I don't see how you could interpret them the way you do. To me, it appears you are the one ignoring at least half of reality.
http://www.mrc.org/biasbasics...
But, yes, as his title suggests, his main idea is that when he looked into it, he could find little MSM bias, especially almost no Liberal bias, probably because most professional newscasters work hard to be balanced. This IS a surprising claim, as the idea that there IS a bias is so widespread and deeply-rooted. OTOH, he said that what bias there was, when looking at all media, was almost entirely Right-wing, like Fox and almost all talk radio. He pointed out (and I have seen this myself) that even some newspeople on MSM seem to buy the "Liberal bias" knock on themselves. He ends up concluding it's a Big Lie thing successfully sold to most everyone by Right-wingers screaming "Bias!" when it's mostly them doing it themselves. As I said, even if you don't believe him, it seems to me that a case for bias needs to be rebuilt in light ...
But, yes, as his title suggests, his main idea is that when he looked into it, he could find little MSM bias, especially almost no Liberal bias, probably because most professional newscasters work hard to be balanced. This IS a surprising claim, as the idea that there IS a bias is so widespread and deeply-rooted. OTOH, he said that what bias there was, when looking at all media, was almost entirely Right-wing, like Fox and almost all talk radio. He pointed out (and I have seen this myself) that even some newspeople on MSM seem to buy the "Liberal bias" knock on themselves. He ends up concluding it's a Big Lie thing successfully sold to most everyone by Right-wingers screaming "Bias!" when it's mostly them doing it themselves. As I said, even if you don't believe him, it seems to me that a case for bias needs to be rebuilt in light of Alterman's arguments. He also touched on the idea that he did see pro-sensationalistic bias for Left and Right stories--meaning the media would push/pump-up excitement for any kind of story, if they thought it would build up ratings.
I did watch CNN a LOT during the campaign and I emphatically did NOT see evidence of them being "in the tank" for Obama. I saw balanced panels of people from both sides interviewed by carefully neutral hosts being polite to both sides. The only show clearly bending one way or the other was the Right-leaning Lou Dobbs show. As the campaign went on, there were more problems for McCain/Palin and so those problems got a lot of airtime (pro-ratings bias?). I doubt I could prove this to you, especially if you are one of those who sees Fox as balanced, but I did personally watch CNN be balanced and critical to either side as appropriate.
That CNN lady at the Tea Pary WAS indeed over-the-top and wrong, but I don't think it is a general problem at CNN.
Thanks for your link. I did read a fair amount of the main page stuff. I'm fairly skeptical. I am impressed that the quotes from various folks seem complete--and most of them (the media insider types) seem to be claiming a mild bias at most. Here are the oppposing thoughts/filters to these ideas I usually am viewing "through":
-For the Right, "balance" seems to mean "actively anti-Left"
-The Right seems to think that professional objectivity in Journalism is impossible--they think the personal beliefs of journalists are ALWAYS reflected in their work. They work hard on proving what the personal politics of journalists are, and assume that automatically means their work is biased. A bias in a story should be noticeable in the story regardless of who wrote it. A story with bias is bad journalism, unless it is labeled as opinion.
-Therefore, I feel that the Right thinks personal biases are ALWAYS present in work because it's how they work themselves, and why they think Right-bias by Right-wing journalists is OK.
Now those are ONLY my opinions, of course. I've thought about them a lot, but they ARE just opinions.
This is because just showing a difference in amount of positive or negative coverage between candidates does not prove bias--there may have been genuine differences.
Now, showing a difference in positivity or negativity between news sources when describing the same thing DOES show bias--but it doesn't show which direction the bias is. That is, perhaps Fox was biasing in favor of Palin, masking genuine problems.
http://www.journalism.org/nod...
Thanks for the link to an interesting article. It has lots of statistics, but does not have any definitions of its measurements (like what it takes to be a "positive", "negative", or "neutral" story), and the writer is quite free with making pronouncements of what their conclusions from the data are, without really saying how they got there. So, it's hard to put a whole lot of weight on it.
But my big problem is that it does not even address the issue I was asking about--that of bias or unfair coverage. It is all about how coverage was split up amongst positive/negative/neutral, but it does not look at fairness of coverage at all. That would be a very hard study to do, it's true--but this one does not even try.
So, this does not show what I'd asked for, "an unfair description of Palin from a Left-wing hard news source". For that matter, it also does not even touch the concept of a Left or Right media source.
I'm not denying that you have a strong impression of bias, just that this article does not prove it.
The clergy should not be forced to perform in gay marriage ceremonies...
It's also good because it promotes gay marriage. All the people who say it's wrong blah blah blah could leave it alone because they probably wont see it going on in their church anyway...if they're that kind of person.
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no ... you are wrong...
NOBODY has the right to tell anyone how to live or who to love! let me rephrase that NOBODY or any Supposed Diety ideolgy
GOD loves everyone but Gays.... so unconditional love just became conditional because you said so.... get real with yourself.. and check yourself... i think you need deprogramming....
The clergy should not be forced to perform in gay marriage ceremonies...
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The clergy should not be forced to perform in gay marriage ceremonies...
The clergy should not be forced to perform in gay marriage ceremonies...
The clergy should not be forced to perform in gay marriage ceremonies...
The clergy should not be forced to perform in gay marriage ceremonies...
The clergy should not be forced to perform in gay marriage ceremonies...
The clergy should not be forced to perform in gay marriage ceremonies...
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