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Nevada Allows Google's Self-Driving Car: Super or Scary?

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Google's been working on patenting a self-driving car for a while, and now it's fully licensed to drive. In Nevada, at least. According the The Associate Press, the car received a license to drive after demonstrating its safe driving on the Las Vegas Strip. For whatever reason, the license requires that two passengers be in the car while it's on auto-pilot, doubling the risk. On the other hand, it's the perfect solution for those worried about Google's Glass project.

DMV director Bruce Breslow explained, "They're designed to avoid distracted driving. When you're on the Strip and there's a huge truck with three scantily clad women on the side, the car only sees a box." Any drawbacks? He adds, "It gets honked at more often because it’s being safe." It sounds like an amazing invention, and so far it hasn't gotten into any accidents, but does a self-driving car sound a little scary to you?

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  • Dan™: Real Change, Not Fals... 2012/05/11 01:56:46 (edited)
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    Dan™: Real Change, Not False Hope
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    Kinda scary, actually. I love technology, but as anyone who deals with emerging techologies on a daily basis can tell you (and I do), there are always glitches and unforseen problems and scenarios. Always. For something like navigating a high speed vehicle down a road with changing traffic, weather, and road conditions, I'm not comfortable handing the wheel over to a computer yet. Anyone who has experience with GPS navigators knows that they are frequently wrong about routes and other trip data.

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  • wgossett99 Odinsown 2012/05/11 20:32:52
    wgossett99
    Good question! I imagine that lawmakers will still demand that there be at least one licensed driver to take control in an emergency.
  • Charlotte 2012/05/11 14:10:27
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    Charlotte
    interesting concept but, I prefer to drive myself
  • bob h. 2012/05/11 13:52:32
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    bob h.
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    The answers here prove what I've always said: We don't lose our rights; we throw them away. Hooray, 55 forever; Having fun, pay a fine. Get a 'Vette w/ a 1.0L engine; who needs more?
  • shadow76 2012/05/11 13:04:03
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    shadow76
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    Wow! Sign me up!
  • JakeJ277 2012/05/11 12:37:35
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    JakeJ277
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    For anyone that knows computer programming, you know that computers will do only and exactly what you tell them to do. It receives inputs from sensors, operators, code, etc. proccesses the inputs, produces outputs, outputs are read and compared with current conditions, and processed again to fine tune the outputs. They do not get distracted or selectively focused by a cell phone call, food on the run, makeup, shaving its face, etc. I also know that the assumed human reaction time used to determine speed limits, stop light cycle times, and cross walk locations is approximately 2 seconds. This is the time it takes to realize you need to react, not the time it takes to complete the reaction. A computer would read and react to a situation (if the sensors work properly) "instantly". This could cut down pedestrian accidents big time.

    Provided the coders have put a ton of redundancy in the coding to ensure that malfunctions can be recitifed by the computer it should be great. This is to say that if they computer malfunctions it has either: 1. an auto park mode where it will put the flashers on and pull off the road...or 2. a warning indicator that informs you that you will resume control of the vehicle in a predetermined amount of time and go into a "limp home" mode. I'm guessing th...

    For anyone that knows computer programming, you know that computers will do only and exactly what you tell them to do. It receives inputs from sensors, operators, code, etc. proccesses the inputs, produces outputs, outputs are read and compared with current conditions, and processed again to fine tune the outputs. They do not get distracted or selectively focused by a cell phone call, food on the run, makeup, shaving its face, etc. I also know that the assumed human reaction time used to determine speed limits, stop light cycle times, and cross walk locations is approximately 2 seconds. This is the time it takes to realize you need to react, not the time it takes to complete the reaction. A computer would read and react to a situation (if the sensors work properly) "instantly". This could cut down pedestrian accidents big time.

    Provided the coders have put a ton of redundancy in the coding to ensure that malfunctions can be recitifed by the computer it should be great. This is to say that if they computer malfunctions it has either: 1. an auto park mode where it will put the flashers on and pull off the road...or 2. a warning indicator that informs you that you will resume control of the vehicle in a predetermined amount of time and go into a "limp home" mode. I'm guessing that with all of the testing they've been doing the sensory and coding is very robust. I'm looking forward to seeing more of these in the future.

    The only thing I really don't like about it (put your tinfoil hats on) is that this vehicle is undoubtedly connected to a network at all times meaning Google will likely record anyone who drives its frequent travel information just like they do on the internet. Before you know it all the radio ads will cater to your usual spots and you'll start to feel like you have a huge consumer profile hovering above your head. They do it with email and cell phones right now.. why not with your mode of transportation?
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  • MadAsHEck JakeJ277 2012/05/11 17:47:01
    MadAsHEck
    You may not be aware of it but all new cars are coming out with a black box that monitors your car etc. and records it.

    http://www.infowars.com/manda...
  • JakeJ277 MadAsHEck 2012/05/11 18:16:45
    JakeJ277
    That source seems to be a bit of a tinfoil hat site. I read the same article from CBS and it sounds more like individual system monitoring so they can look back on what was going on in the car before an accident or system failure.

    I was referring to gathering consumer data like which gas stations and restaurants you buy from. It is definitely still unsettling to know that they're recording that much data.
  • MadAsHEck JakeJ277 2012/05/11 20:16:00
    MadAsHEck
    That is coming as well. Where the pumps will tax you based on the kind of car you fill up. For example they are going to charge me Extra to register my Prius, because it does not use as much gas, so they get reduced taxes.

    That is on the docket for the legislature next year. And no that is not tinfoil, but fact. And if it records everything, and can be accessed by WiFi, you may believe it can be used for anything.
  • JakeJ277 MadAsHEck 2012/05/14 04:25:47
    JakeJ277
    So you'll pay less at the pump by driving a fuel saver? Sounds okay enough on that side. As far as our personal data that's out there, I can't imagine how marketing and sales uses that stuff. Just as long as the fed doesnt use it!
  • MadAsHEck JakeJ277 2012/05/14 16:13:20
    MadAsHEck
    No! You will pay more if your car registers in the lower gas range. Because you are using the same highways, but paying less in fuel taxes than a gas guzzler.

    And same with the registration fees. Cars rated with higher MPG will pay higher registration fees as they as well use the same highways as the gas guzzlers.
  • JakeJ277 MadAsHEck 2012/05/15 14:14:29
    JakeJ277
    Well that undoubtedly sucks... I drive one of those Ford Fiestas and am rocking 40 mpg. Guess the fed is going to get their money somehow.
  • Cat JakeJ277 2012/05/11 19:01:59
    Cat
    Hmmm, hadn't thought of that one... Might be a good idea not to Piss-Off your Mechanic / Auto Tech's too....
  • wgossett99 JakeJ277 2012/05/11 20:38:51
    wgossett99
    I agree that the Big Brother aspect is a major factor in the future of this tech. But imagine waht a great tool this will be to commuters. I would LOVE to be able to nap on the way home! (I tired that once when I was 15 - fell asleep at the wheel and crashed into a parked car at 5 in the morning before seat belts were commonplace. I have 3 big scars on my stomach from the resulting surgery.)
  • JakeJ277 wgossett99 2012/05/14 04:21:40
    JakeJ277
    That's crazy! Sorry to hear about that. I'm really just playing devils advocate on the consumer watch dig point of view but am very excited about this technology. Im an engineer so my job is all about this kind of next-level thinking. Can't wait to see one in person!
  • the fuze 2012/05/11 12:32:41
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    the fuze
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    Yeah, I get the safety thing but this is really about people who can't put down their damn phones & what-not and drive. If updating your social media every frickin' second, or texting/talking on your phone every minute of every damn day is so important to you, take the damn bus. I happen to enjoy driving my car and I hope that privilege isn't phased out in the future.
  • strange_armour 2012/05/11 09:23:37 (edited)
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    strange_armour
    +1
    In the desert, there is comparitively very little to hit, which is good.
    What concerns me is that - if left unchecked - it is only a matter of time before human-driven cars are phased out - with the help of something along the lines of the "cash-for-clunkers" scheme - and cars will be shut down en-masse without the consent of the occupants.
    Long story short - it'll be OnStar cranked up to eleven. cash-for-clunkers scheme cars shut en-masse consent occupants story onstar cranked
  • Proggy 2012/05/11 07:07:36
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    Proggy
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    If it works... SWEET!
  • Beltazar 2012/05/11 06:00:10
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    Beltazar
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    I am on the fence w/ this one for many reasons back and forth.. But just think.. u could get absolutely wasted and tell it to drive u home and it will get u to the garage.. lol.. But it is also the way of the future..
  • Pat 2012/05/11 05:48:00
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    Pat
    +3
    I would be concerned about a malfunction. You know how cars are.
  • bob h. Pat 2012/05/11 13:40:12
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    +1
    So what happens when there's no one waiting at a red lite, so the car just rolls thru, or the left lane is wide open? Get a few of these things together, and the interstate becomes a turtle race? Or not.
  • MadAsHEck bob h. 2012/05/11 17:48:12
    MadAsHEck
    There are sensors that cover everything you list as a concerrn.
  • smitty MadAsHEck 2012/05/11 18:11:35
    smitty
    +1
    Sorta like the sensors that said the tsunami was on its way in 2004..
  • MadAsHEck smitty 2012/05/11 20:16:52
    MadAsHEck
    They did work here in Washington actually.
  • smitty MadAsHEck 2012/05/11 20:23:41
    smitty
    What about the Indian ocean?
  • MadAsHEck smitty 2012/05/11 22:26:17
    MadAsHEck
    They work there as well, but there is not a broad a coverage as NOAA has setup for the US West coast.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sc...

    "In the immediate aftermath of the July 2006 Java earthquake, the Indonesian government received tsunami warnings from the Hawaii center and the Japan Meteorological Agency but failed to relay the alert to its citizens. At least 23,000 people did evacuate the coast after the quake, either fearing a tsunami or because their homes had been destroyed..."

    And More recent:

    The Indian Ocean Tsunami Warning System is a tsunami warning system set up to provide warning to inhabitants of nations bordering the Indian Ocean of approaching tsunamis. It was agreed to in a United Nations conference held in January 2005 in Kobe, Japan as an initial step towards an International Early Warning Programme. Nanometrics (Ottawa, Canada) and RESULTS Marine Private Limited, India, delivered and successfully installed 17 Seismic VSAT stations with 2 Central Recording Station to provide the seismic event alert to the scientists through SMS and E-mail automatically within 2 min.In the 2012 Banda Aceh earthquake of 8.4 magnitude, it alerted the Indian islands on Andaman and Nicobar within 8 minutes.[1]

    I Bing most of my stuff before making such broad statements.
  • smitty MadAsHEck 2012/05/14 13:31:57
    smitty
    I don't Bing.

    Didn't the Tsunami that killed many thousands of people happen in 2004?

    My guess is 2004 is prior to 2006 and 2005.. I would suggest you try google instead of Bing next time.
  • MadAsHEck smitty 2012/05/14 16:17:52
    MadAsHEck
    If you read what I posted, the warning system worked, the authorities failed to disseminate, and 23,000 people died in 2006.

    Prior to that the system was not as useful.

    And Google and Bing give you about the same information back. I just prefer Bing as it seems to be faster.
  • smitty MadAsHEck 2012/05/14 16:51:21 (edited)
    smitty
    Did the warning system work in 2004? No.

    Like I said try google.
    Here is Chile 2010 4 years after 2006.

    http://www.time.com/time/worl...

    quote "Further hindering an early warning for residents was a seismic-information system used by Chile's navy that initially provided inaccurate data on the location of the earthquake."

    Look man... If you are the information tech field you know that computers... gps.. are not foolproof. You know what the most of the problems stems from? Computer need information.. Typically a human has to input that data.
    Granted computers can shift through millions, tens of millions, hundreds of tens of billions pieces of data in the blink of an eye. They are still fallible.
  • MadAsHEck smitty 2012/05/14 17:37:22 (edited)
    MadAsHEck
    Again I guess you did not read the link. In 2004 the system was not in place. And now you bring in Chile?

    And I have worked in the Computer/Tech Field since 1972. Including repairing them when they consisted of refrigerator sized backplanes, with wiring between hundreds of pins to link the hundreds of chips that did the computing. To programming and installing a Touch Screen POS system that we sold for years, and eventually developing online sales solutions for some big business. To teaching Microprocessers and their use at a Technical College.

    And yes computers are subject to failure. But they failure rate now is infinitesmal compared to the 80's and 90's. The average car now has many computers running various functions. The average life of a Laptop is 10-12 years. Most have only 2 Mechanical parts now. The Hard Drive, and the Cooling fan. And even Hard Drives are becomining Solid State.

    And Computers are now in development, and successfully so, that actually learn, and keep themselves programmed. With little or no help after booting up. One beat the Jeopardy All Stars last year. Even your Computer keeps itself updated if you set it up to do so.

    My Prius I have been told has 8 Computers onboard to govern everything from Fuel misture, to Braking...





    Again I guess you did not read the link. In 2004 the system was not in place. And now you bring in Chile?

    And I have worked in the Computer/Tech Field since 1972. Including repairing them when they consisted of refrigerator sized backplanes, with wiring between hundreds of pins to link the hundreds of chips that did the computing. To programming and installing a Touch Screen POS system that we sold for years, and eventually developing online sales solutions for some big business. To teaching Microprocessers and their use at a Technical College.

    And yes computers are subject to failure. But they failure rate now is infinitesmal compared to the 80's and 90's. The average car now has many computers running various functions. The average life of a Laptop is 10-12 years. Most have only 2 Mechanical parts now. The Hard Drive, and the Cooling fan. And even Hard Drives are becomining Solid State.

    And Computers are now in development, and successfully so, that actually learn, and keep themselves programmed. With little or no help after booting up. One beat the Jeopardy All Stars last year. Even your Computer keeps itself updated if you set it up to do so.

    My Prius I have been told has 8 Computers onboard to govern everything from Fuel misture, to Braking, to Battery charging of each of the hundred or so Cells safely. And these cars have been on the road for 10 years now with virtually no failures.

    The Luxury cars already have some very sophisticated systems for Crash avoidance, and even watching the drivers eyes and assist in keeping him awake. And slowly and safely taking the car off the road in case of an emergency. Even the lowly ford Focus can be obtained with Self Parking. Just the ABS system is one that should amaze you , and how many of those have you heard of failing?

    The Google system is inovative, and now just a one of a kind package. Interesting, and forecast back in the 60's as the eventual evolution of Personal transportation.

    Discount it at your pleasure, but it is the coming thing. There are always those that fight inovation, but take advantage of it eventually. Your attitude is the same as back in the days of Horse and Buggy, "Those New Fangled Gadgets will never replace old Nellie and my Buckboard." How many of those do you see on the freeway now????
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  • smitty MadAsHEck 2012/05/14 18:17:42
    smitty
    Alright.. Sorry I am stubborn. Correct there was not a system in place in 2004. Although the signs were there that no one acted upon. Even though I have lost touch with what that does to our subject at hand.

    I bring up 2010 solely because it is after the 2004 that created all these new warning systems which do not seem to work.

    Great.. Can you explain why my Droid always crashes? Why do I always have to reboot the derned thing? It will tough if I am driving down the road and have to reboot my android capable car.

    Yes SSDs are incredible pieces of hardware. They are still on the expensive side though compared to normal disk drive.

    Yeah my new Honda is a computer masterpiece. I used to be able when I was a kid to change almost anything in the car. Now there are too many wires. Thank god though it monitors the air pressure in the tires or tells me that I am due for an oil change.

    So does the Prius still has the gas level issue? It would tell you you were fine in gas but actually you wouldn't have any gas in the tank?

    Crash avoidance is one thing.. Giving up complete control to google? Nah.. sorry I won't do that.

    Self parking? Oooo great.. I can park just fine. I don't want the computer to do all that for me. I can do it better, faster and safer than the computer as f...



    Alright.. Sorry I am stubborn. Correct there was not a system in place in 2004. Although the signs were there that no one acted upon. Even though I have lost touch with what that does to our subject at hand.

    I bring up 2010 solely because it is after the 2004 that created all these new warning systems which do not seem to work.

    Great.. Can you explain why my Droid always crashes? Why do I always have to reboot the derned thing? It will tough if I am driving down the road and have to reboot my android capable car.

    Yes SSDs are incredible pieces of hardware. They are still on the expensive side though compared to normal disk drive.

    Yeah my new Honda is a computer masterpiece. I used to be able when I was a kid to change almost anything in the car. Now there are too many wires. Thank god though it monitors the air pressure in the tires or tells me that I am due for an oil change.

    So does the Prius still has the gas level issue? It would tell you you were fine in gas but actually you wouldn't have any gas in the tank?

    Crash avoidance is one thing.. Giving up complete control to google? Nah.. sorry I won't do that.

    Self parking? Oooo great.. I can park just fine. I don't want the computer to do all that for me. I can do it better, faster and safer than the computer as far as driving my car is concerned.

    That I will give you. The google system is innovative.

    Nah I am perfectly happy with new tech as long as it is of a benefit. Look at Apples Iphones. Each version is just a money maker for apple. Nothing is much better than the previous. It is a good profit building technique. Sucks to be the consumer.
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  • MadAsHEck smitty 2012/05/15 00:27:58 (edited)
    MadAsHEck
    Not sure what Gas Level thing you are talking about. Had mine since 2009, and called the Dealer to see if there was any recall over that. They said they never heard of it.

    And wait till you see what the Honda FCX clarity is about.

    And My phone from Verizon works perfectly. Maybe you need a new provider. Because I never have a problem, unless I let the battery run down. Which by the way can destroy a Lithium battery.

    I have been flying RC Models since 1968, and now the new computer radios are a wonderous thing. Some even will land fo you.
  • smitty MadAsHEck 2012/05/15 13:35:23
    smitty
    I have Verizon as well.

    There was never any recall on them. It was something to do with the gas bag in the tank.

    So far the biggest tech I like is the backup cam. The rest.. I am ho-hum about.
  • MadAsHEck smitty 2012/05/15 15:49:51 (edited)
    MadAsHEck
    I'm a lot less Ho Hum with gas over $4 a gallon now, More estatic with the 50 MPG.

    The tank is actually a collapsible Bag. Similar to the boxed Wine bags,
  • smitty MadAsHEck 2012/05/15 16:36:51
    smitty
    On the bag.. correct.. It had trouble gauging its fuel level when they first came out.

    Gas was 3.60 here. Not too bad... I blame the price of gas on environmentalists.. If we would have built refineries 10-20 years when it was thought of.. We would be in much better shape on that front. Same ole excuse was used then.. It will take 5-10 years to get them producing.. Well doh!

    I like to be in control of my life... I don't want someone else to be.
  • MadAsHEck smitty 2012/05/15 16:45:48
    MadAsHEck
    I guess the reason I never had a problem, assuming there was one, is that In this high Humidity climate, I have always filled my tank at about 1/4 to keep from getting condensation and water in the tank. Especially in the winter.
  • smitty MadAsHEck 2012/05/15 17:43:57
    smitty
    Could be. Just had a co worker that got on the waiting list when the first came out but someone backed out and he sneaked in and got one. I thought it was hilarious that he ran out of gas in it. He was the one who mentioned that issue. As you said, keeping at 1/4 is what the suggestion/remedy was.
  • MadAsHEck smitty 2012/05/15 20:15:55
    MadAsHEck
    I've known people tht have run out of gas with every other car on the market. They keep the AAA busy. So to condem a car for something so petty is somewhat strange in my book.
  • smitty MadAsHEck 2012/05/16 13:00:44
    smitty
    I don't see where I condemned it for that? Just stating a point.

    BTW - this has gone far from the point. alvederzane
  • bob h. MadAsHEck 2012/05/14 15:19:38
    bob h.
    Yeah, yeah, I got it, nothing can go wrong.
  • SundayS... Pat 2012/05/11 15:51:52
    SundayStoleYourCookieDough
    I would assume that there'd be some kind of override-and-drive-manually button in case that happens o3o

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