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Nazism: left wing or right wing and what does it mean?

gigero 2011/05/08 19:50:38
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In your opinion, is the political ideology of national socialism right wing or left wing?

And additionally, in the comments, give an example of an issue, an ideology or a nation in history that typifies the extreme left and the extreme right. Explain how you use the left-right scale.
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  • Minarchist 2011/05/14 12:11:36
    Left-wing
    Minarchist
  • Fannie 2011/05/09 04:52:51 (edited)
    Other/Undecided
    Fannie
    it depends on the year they practice.
  • Drue-AFCL 2011/05/08 23:34:35
    Other/Undecided
    Drue-AFCL
    You left out Wing Nut. Evil wing nut.
  • herbie hind 2011/05/08 21:45:57
    Left-wing
    herbie hind
    +2
    nationalist socialist is the definition of nazi
  • Horace 2011/05/08 21:42:32
    Other/Undecided
    Horace
    +1
    Nazism describes a previous time period with a previous set of ideological spectrums. Nazism was a system which emphasized a combination of government controlled economy merging with big business, its emphasis on the folk a historical concept heavily influenced by the death of a central monarchial system combined with colonialism does not and for the most part has never existed in American history. It's like trying to place Henry the VIII on a modern political spectrum, its just not a relevant scale.
  • gigero Horace 2011/05/08 22:08:55
    gigero
    Yes you are right, although I think our terminology should be adequate enough to describe specific policies both in the present and in the past using a consistent scale.

    What if I had asked about neo-nazism or some other ideology which combines extreme economic with ethnic nationalism though?
  • jackolantyrn356 2011/05/08 21:34:25
    Right-wing
    jackolantyrn356
    +1
    goose-stepping (1) racists, NAZI (National Socialist Party) (2) Controled a.l money, (3_ near personality cult
  • gigero jackola... 2011/05/08 21:48:43
    gigero
    The Soviet Union fits two of the three, yet is considered extreme left. Also, though trotskyism isn't, historical stalinism was nationalist and strongly antisemitic as well.
    Just food for thought, thank you for answering!
  • holdenferall 2011/05/08 21:22:49 (edited)
    Other/Undecided
    holdenferall
    +1
    It's Nazism. If you wanted to break it down you would find actions and ideals that mirror both right and left.
  • ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠ 2011/05/08 21:15:35
    Other/Undecided
    ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠
    +3
    Nazism is in a league of it's own. It doesn't belong on our American political spectrum at all, in my opinion.
  • Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2011/05/08 20:40:02
    Right-wing
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +3
    Nazism would be the most extreme version of the right, while national socialism or communism would be the most extreme version of the left

    However, both have one thing in common, they are collectivist ideals and the opposite of what this nation was founded upon - individualism. Our nation was built on the premise that the people created the government and the government is meant to serve the people. Collectivism is the opposite where the people serve the government and forfeit their rights for the whole.

    Sadly, I believe that we are moving towards being collectivists, especially since we now give up our rights to the state for whatever reason they make up. People have just become too submissive to the government
  • gigero Dan ☮ R... 2011/05/08 20:51:08
    gigero
    +1
    Right, I am in total agreement with you concerning your second and third paragraph.

    But, um, nazism = national socialism. And how is nazism on the right and communism on the left if they are really very similar? What does right and left mean then?
  • Dan ☮ R... gigero 2011/05/08 20:58:00 (edited)
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    I always thought Hitler despised communism. Perhaps I should just review the terms to see if I overlooked something.

    And on the political spectrum, there are normally 2 dimensions: Political and Economic Freedom. Economic freedoms is normally how we compare right and left, or our two political parties. while they do have some variations in the political freedoms, its generally very similar.
    On the other axis, we have Political Freedoms which normally are described as Libertarian and Authoritarian. Individualism is on the libertarian side, while collectivism is on the authoritarian side.
  • holdenf... Dan ☮ R... 2011/05/08 21:24:31
    holdenferall
    Nazis were against Republicanism, liberalism, and Democracy
  • gigero Dan ☮ R... 2011/05/08 21:43:31
    gigero
    +1
    Hitler did despise communism, but that doesn't make him a capitalist. In fact, anti-capitalism was one of the main elements of the NSDAP (the nazi party)'s political program.

    I use the left-right scale as a scale of economic freedom, like you mention, but if you do so, there is no way to put nazism on the right end of the spectrum as the nazi-German Zwangswirtschaft model had the government directing virtually all economic decisions from the top down. In the two-dimensional model, I'd put nazism very close to the extreme left economically and fully authoritarian..
  • herbie ... gigero 2011/05/08 21:49:16
    herbie hind
    +1
    right means small government (central) and more states and individual freedoms . left means more socialism i.e. big government .
  • holdenf... Dan ☮ R... 2011/05/08 21:24:07
    holdenferall
    No, it really wouldn't be. You're confusing it with fascism.
  • The Winter Sodahead 2011/05/08 20:32:03
    Other/Undecided
    The Winter Sodahead
    +1
    politics isn't that one-dimensional
  • gigero The Win... 2011/05/08 20:47:48
    gigero
    Very true, but apart from the writings of political science theorists and the few two-dimensional models you often see online, pretty much everyone uses the simplification of the one-dimensional left-right model all the time.. I ask the question because the interpretations of what is left and what is right vary widely from person to person, especially when characterizing the policies of the nazis.

    I feel that if we're all so keen on using this terminology, we should at least be able to agree about what it means.
  • The Win... gigero 2011/05/08 20:49:28
    The Winter Sodahead
    +1
    right wing, since they were against personal freedom
  • gigero The Win... 2011/05/08 20:53:08
    gigero
    Thanks for your answer :-)

    If restricting personal freedom is right wing, is communism a right-wing ideology too then? And extreme left would be anarchy for you? Interesting.
  • gigero 2011/05/08 19:54:50
    Left-wing
    gigero
    In my opinion, nazism is far left.

    To me, the scale goes from left to right, resp complete collectivism to complete individualism.
    On the extreme left is communism and on the extreme right anarcho-capitalism. Clearly in this respect, nazism would be far left.
  • The polite zombie 2011/05/08 19:54:33
    Other/Undecided
    The polite zombie
    +3
    Both! Take either side to the extreme and it's very Nazi-esk.
  • gigero The pol... 2011/05/08 19:56:18 (edited)
    gigero
    What are the two extremes?

    btw, our nicknames are so similar :d
  • The pol... gigero 2011/05/08 20:07:08
    The polite zombie
    +2
    An extreme Democrat would want to take away the ability for the poor to become rich because if you gain wealth you have to be taxed. Thus an extreme Democrat will keep the rich rich and the poor poor.

    An extreme Republican would want to force everyone to convert to Christianity and make it illegal for gays to be open. It could easily turn into persecution.
  • gigero The pol... 2011/05/08 20:11:54
    gigero
    +1
    Can't say I agree with you, but you have an interesting take on it.
    Thanks for answering :-)
  • The pol... gigero 2011/05/08 20:14:36
    The polite zombie
    +1
    Thank you. And hey it's just a theory. We'll see how America turns out.

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