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Name a time and place where President Barack Obama would have learned about a Constitutional Republic and Capitalism.

Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/05/04 22:33:38
As a small child he lived with his mother and grandparents, all were Socialists. His father was an African Communist and inspired his book "Dreams From My Father". His mentor, set up by his grandfather, was Frank Marshall Davis, a Communist. His mother left his step-father Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian Muslim, because she considered him a sell-out when he got a job with Union Oil Company and was moving up.

Barack stayed with his grandparents and went to a private school in Hawaii. He went to Occidental College and then went on a trip around the world. We don't know who paid for it but we do know that he wasn't a good student by his own admission. After his trip he changed from Barry to Barack and was admitted to Columbia. According to Columbia he graduated, without honors, and was then admitted to Harvard Law School. He admits seeking out the Marxist professors and friends while in school.

We know that he wasn't taught about how great America's Constitution or form of government was in Columbia or Harvard. His opinion of our Constitution is all on record.

He hasn't had a job in any environment that would teach him anything about Capitalism, he hasn't had a business and he knows more about Marx than Hayek or Adam Smith.

So, I'm curious about how people would expect him to believe in America as founded. I'm seriously asking his supporters if they think his lack of education and experience with our form of government and economic engine is at all important?
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  • Rodney 2012/05/05 04:28:33
    Rodney
    +8
    Excellent question. I know it wasn't as a Law school lecturer (NOT Professor, just a lecturer)
    In 1994, Barack Obama taught a course at the University of Chicago Law School entitled, "Current Issues in Racism and the Law." The reading list and syllabus for that class were made available by the New York Times in 2008, though there seems to have been little analysis of its content by Jodi Kantor, the Times’s Obama correspondent.
    Obama routinely assigned works by Bell as required reading, including Bell's racialist interpretations of seminal civil rights laws and cases. No other scholar’s work appears as often in the syllabus as Bell’s does.
    Obama relied particularly heavily upon Bell’s major work, Race, Racism, and American Law (1973).

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  • diane RN 2012/05/16 04:47:52
    diane RN
    +1
    His lack of experience, his association with criminals, his "present" vote while a senator should tell us all we need to know. I can kind of understand the Lib mindset. they dont want to believe that their messiah....the man who was going to "save the world" is a lying POS...............
  • Red Branch 2012/05/16 04:33:19
    Red Branch
    +1
    I never expected him to believe in America since he hadn't before. The Oval Office won't transform him.
  • Dan (Politicaly Incorrect) 2012/05/06 10:30:48
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +2
    Nowere, but I am sure he learned about the Communist Manifesto and Mao's Little Red Book.
  • Kane Fernau 2012/05/05 13:53:38
    Kane Fernau
    +2
    The madrassa in Indonesia?
  • seadog6608PWCM 2012/05/05 13:27:11
  • Gracie ... seadog6... 2012/05/05 20:37:22
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +4
    Everytime he says that my husband goes nuts! LOL!
  • seadog6... Gracie ... 2012/05/06 16:38:29
  • littlebuffalo55TBA 2012/05/05 06:44:07
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    +3
    barack obama with indonesian nanny


    Maybe the Transgendered Nanny "Evie" Ann Dunham (Not to be confused with Ann Romney) had caring for him read it to him? Looks like Hope and Change has left her a bit flat!
  • Rodney 2012/05/05 04:28:33
    Rodney
    +8
    Excellent question. I know it wasn't as a Law school lecturer (NOT Professor, just a lecturer)
    In 1994, Barack Obama taught a course at the University of Chicago Law School entitled, "Current Issues in Racism and the Law." The reading list and syllabus for that class were made available by the New York Times in 2008, though there seems to have been little analysis of its content by Jodi Kantor, the Times’s Obama correspondent.
    Obama routinely assigned works by Bell as required reading, including Bell's racialist interpretations of seminal civil rights laws and cases. No other scholar’s work appears as often in the syllabus as Bell’s does.
    Obama relied particularly heavily upon Bell’s major work, Race, Racism, and American Law (1973).
  • Gracie ... Rodney 2012/05/05 20:40:28
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +5
    David Horowitz identifies Bell as the racist he is in his book "Hating Whitey and Other Progressive Causes" that was written way before Obama came on the national political scene. In fact the book identifies many of these professors that would come into the limelight after he was elected, such as Henry Gates. Funny how small the communist intellectual world is!
  • Rodney Gracie ... 2012/05/05 21:06:41
    Rodney
    +2
    I don't know if people didn't care at the time or were so swept up in the whole raz-ma-taz of Barry's pretty words to pay attention.
  • 3003573 2012/05/05 03:19:47
  • Gracie ... 3003573 2012/05/05 03:27:25
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +4
    The Constitution means many things to many people.....especially the elitist intellectuals. They don't want a dusty old piece of paper telling them what they can do to their subjects.
  • 3003573 Gracie ... 2012/05/05 03:34:31
  • Rodney 3003573 2012/05/05 04:48:39
    Rodney
    +5
    No, those who lie about their credentials. Barack claimed to be a Professor of Constitutional Law, when in reality he-1) wasn't a Professor and 2) never actually taught Constitutional Law, only voters rights and how they equated to race.
  • 3003573 Rodney 2012/05/05 04:59:27
  • Rodney 3003573 2012/05/05 05:19:09
    Rodney
    +6
    A Senior Lecturer is NOT a tenured Professor. I don't care what the left wing apologists at factcheck say.

    Your other two links have nothing to do with anything being addressed in this poll.
  • 3003573 Rodney 2012/05/05 05:22:33
  • Rodney 3003573 2012/05/05 19:36:35
    Rodney
    +4
    Like I said, ask ANY tenured professor if a Part Time lecturer is a Professor and then duck! U of C is only doing what typical Liberals do, lend cover for the liars and cheats who are fellow Far Left Liberal Elitists.
  • Gracie ... 3003573 2012/05/05 20:41:46
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +3
    Sure he was.
  • Gracie ... Rodney 2012/05/05 20:43:01
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    Politifact is nothing more than a part of the Tampa Times, the only non-profit leftist paper that doesn't actually have to earn a profit to stay in business. I live in Tampa and I won't let them throw that in my yard!
  • Rodney Gracie ... 2012/05/05 21:08:06
    Rodney
    +2
    Yes, they are about as factual as Barry is.
  • Rodney 3003573 2012/05/05 04:45:44
    Rodney
    +3
    If you call these constitutional law, then okay.
    "Current Issues in Racism and the Law." "Voting Rights and Election Law" as a seminar. In reality, he taught 3 classes a year. At about 4 to 6 hours a week, he would have devoted about 270 hours a year to teaching (that's less then 7 weeks of normal full time work).
  • 3003573 Rodney 2012/05/05 04:59:33
  • Rodney 3003573 2012/05/05 05:24:21 (edited)
    Rodney
    +6
    Tell ya what, ask a tenured professor if a PART-TIME lecturer is a professor. Warning, be ready to duck when you ask. Now, to the rest of that lie. He had no other career at that time. He was trying to write a book and finally had to have help (Bill Ayers claims he stepped in to finish his book because Barry was close to having to pay back his advance. Barry had missed several deadlines for turning in drafts). The school had given him a room to work in, but when it was taking him too long they offered him a part time job to justify giving him the office.
  • 3003573 Rodney 2012/05/05 05:27:23
  • Kevin 3003573 2012/05/05 07:45:06
    Kevin
    +3
    Don't bother he's obviously so blinded by misinformation it won't ever matter what you say. But cheers to you for trying.
  • Rodney Kevin 2012/05/05 19:38:05
    Rodney
    +2
    Still waiting bucko!
  • Kevin Rodney 2012/05/05 20:37:28
    Kevin
    You obviously don't understand how the university and faculty ranking systems work, especially as it concerns the Univ. of Chicago. Judgian attempted to explain, and you persist in your ignorance; there is no reason to further argue with you.
  • Gracie ... Kevin 2012/05/05 20:47:19
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +3
    Woodrow Wilson was President of Princeton and he didn't believe in the Constitution so the point of him being some Constitutional Professor means nothing in academia. In fact, academics are the only people that can be wrong over and over again and still maintain the respect of their peers. Would you let a surgeon operate on you if he killed previous patients? Of course not, but in academia success isn't a requirement.
  • Kevin Gracie ... 2012/05/05 20:57:44
    Kevin
    Woodrow Wilson and Obama are not the same person, and the fact that you believe that WW didn't believe in the Constitution is hilarious. When did Beck tell you that? Academics can be wrong because earning is a process; it's an accumulation of data and ideas coupled with interpretation and advanced study. They maintain their respect because their job is to understand and not arrive at absolute conclusions. Guess what, there is no surgeon alive who hasn't lost a patient, with perhaps a few specialists who don't normally deal in risky surgeries. The analogy, therefore, is false. You really have little conception of learning and knowledge, and that's unfortunate. I wish people like you would actually investigate their subject matter from varied sources and positions so their arguments actually have founding, but instead, you get your information from right-wing blowhards who have little understanding themselves and/or present information to fit their particular message, but you can't really judge the veracity of their argument because you only get one perspective. And just to cut you off at the pass, if you really did learn for yourself, you wouldn't be writing some of the things you do or making some of the mistakes you are.You can be conservative; you can be libertarian; you can be whatever you want to be, at least be honest with the information and deal in the reality of the data.
  • Gracie ... Kevin 2012/05/05 21:20:39
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    You should get off of Wikipedia and Huffpo for your information. Your historical knowledge shows the indoctrination of our school system. No one TELLS me about history, I read history and not the revised version. Wilson wrote a massive amount and his thinking has been clearly spelled out. He felt that the Constitution was a document of the times and like most real Progressives feel that it is organic. He felt like the "spirit of the day" should dictate government. He wasn't against Socialism he just felt that the administrative apparatus was not in place to dictate private and public interests both through government.

    He also thought that the black man was not as advanced and therefore were not equal to the white man. He felt that government suited their citizens so if they didn't have democracy it was because they weren't ready for it yet.

    He wrongly judged that people wouldn't tolerate a tyrannical government. He was highly influenced by German's like Hegel and Burke and Bagehot of the English Historical School.

    So, go blow smoke somewhere else, you don't know squat!
  • Kevin Gracie ... 2012/05/06 05:01:43
    Kevin
    oh how little you really know. I don't rely upon wikipedia or huffpo for my information. First of all, no one is arguing that Wilson didn't write a lot; he was an academic and a politician. None of what you've said about Wilson is particularly damning for him or for progressives, so I don't really see where your argument is with him, save for his position on blacks and jews, and to some degree women. Why isn't the constitution organic; after all, it was ratified with the possibility for amendment, which means the founders believed it would be changed according to circumstances and therefore it's kind of organic? What is your problem with Hegel and other German philosophers? What are your quibbles with the English Historical School? Basically, what is your critique; how have you synthesized the information to arrive at the conclusions you have? Your last point is actually highly controversial because the debate still rages as to whether people actually put up with tyranny or are forced to put up with it until the right movement arises to dispel it. You can see Arendt and Lukacs for two positions on that argument.
  • Gracie ... Kevin 2012/05/06 17:23:24
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    So, it's not that my information is incorrect, it's just that you agree with their opinions and conclusions. The Constitution in all it's brilliance was a document that can be amended, by a very specific process, not by reinventing it.

    The main problem with the European models and philosophies can be summed up in just a few short sentences found in our Declaration of Independence. These very critical sentences are the ones that Progressives, such as Wilson, would like to write out of our history.

    "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government become...

    So, it's not that my information is incorrect, it's just that you agree with their opinions and conclusions. The Constitution in all it's brilliance was a document that can be amended, by a very specific process, not by reinventing it.

    The main problem with the European models and philosophies can be summed up in just a few short sentences found in our Declaration of Independence. These very critical sentences are the ones that Progressives, such as Wilson, would like to write out of our history.

    "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

    If our rights come from our Creator and not government their power is greatly diminished. That's the problem with Progressivism, they just don't believe that to be true. You cannot reconcile Progressivism and this basic tenet of our American system.
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  • Rodney Kevin 2012/05/05 21:13:06
    Rodney
    +4
    hahahaha, you are hilarious. I spent 12 years taking university courses, captured a masters and two bachelors along with a few associate degrees and YOU are going to tell ME I don't know the University ranking system works? I should give you my brothers address or my older sis's address, both of whom were college PROFESSORS (one in Engineering and the other in the Psych department, respectfully). They would tell you what a buffoon you are. Your ignorance is only out classed by your stupidity.
  • Kevin Rodney 2012/05/05 21:16:32 (edited)
    Kevin
    Yeah I bet. And if your education is correct, you sure didn't learn anything.
  • Rodney 3003573 2012/05/05 19:37:43
    Rodney
    +3
    A VERY Liberal Institution lending cover for a lying, cheating fellow liberal, gee, I really trust their word.
  • Gracie ... 3003573 2012/05/05 20:49:08
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +3
    Woodrow Wilson was President of Princeton and he didn't believe in the Constitution so being a part of academia with it's Marxist bent doesn't make you an expert on the Constitution as written, not reinvented.
  • Rodney Gracie ... 2012/05/05 21:13:39
    Rodney
    +3
    Damn straight on that point.
  • JT For Political Reform 2012/05/05 02:55:36
    JT For Political Reform
    +6
    Wilson called him a .."Liar", I call him a "fraud".

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