Muslims Know What Constitutes a Civil Society?
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2012/05/01 03:29:03
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I think that most of them just want to live and let live, but the media is always focused on a minor (comparing to the total number) of extremists.
Kinda like when they tape 25 Tea Party members and present them as a huge protest rally.
People that think that muslims (except of the extremists, but they are the same under every flag) don't know what civilisation is, have a bad case of "my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend".
Here is another example from Iran:
As you can see, this woman has the head scarf, meaning that she is religious, but still wants democracy.
The only way to get that is to support such people and educate the others.
And I suggest you see "A Separation" that won the Oscar for the best foreign movie this year. You won't find crazy fanatic muslims there at all. Just ordinary people with ordinary problems.
We see that in lands where the REGIME is not theocratic, the religious fanatics are in minority and the people who don't care about fanaticism are in majority.
Kinda like why Santorum couldn't get the nomination.
Who took the polls and where? I doubt that there were neutral poll takers in Teheran asking people such questions and people answering their true thoughts.
I suggest you visit for example Sarajevo and talk to them, like I did.
Beats any propaganda. Women without head scarf, people drinking beer and all kind of alcohol, women alone on the street... just like any other European city.
Have you ever been to a muslim country? I have, including North Africa. They don't eat small children there for breakfast.
Same in the middle east: muslims are the vast majority and they are not moderates, they want sharia law:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/f...
thank you sam 123 GOD save you amen .
did you hear what this big sensless atheist big liar said !!!
- muslims do not have a clue about what constitute civil society ????
since when an atheist will come to teach muslim how to leave and constitute a civil society while he does not even know how to clean himslef after he finishes from relieving himslef from the loo ??
how can he claim that muslims do not have a clue what civil society is while ignoring islamic civilsation that started 1432 years ago in Macca and medina under the prophet mohamed peace be upon him and spread acoss the glob till it reaches Andalus ( now spain ? and persian now iran , and malysia and bangladesh ???
form where the west lean how to organisze themselves and behave properly and have cleaness, and medicine and roads , and hospital and endowment .......
he talks about britain ... ahhhahha !!!!! just in 1410, english people were still throwing dead people on the times river ?? and rats living with them in their houses while they do not have a sewage system but they pissed on bocket and they threw their urines from the window , and if it happened you were under that window , you will get good hot shower !!!!!!till they traveld to islamic countries and leant from them hygene ??? and curing diseases .... and how to live in...
did you hear what this big sensless atheist big liar said !!!
- muslims do not have a clue about what constitute civil society ????
since when an atheist will come to teach muslim how to leave and constitute a civil society while he does not even know how to clean himslef after he finishes from relieving himslef from the loo ??
how can he claim that muslims do not have a clue what civil society is while ignoring islamic civilsation that started 1432 years ago in Macca and medina under the prophet mohamed peace be upon him and spread acoss the glob till it reaches Andalus ( now spain ? and persian now iran , and malysia and bangladesh ???
form where the west lean how to organisze themselves and behave properly and have cleaness, and medicine and roads , and hospital and endowment .......
he talks about britain ... ahhhahha !!!!! just in 1410, english people were still throwing dead people on the times river ?? and rats living with them in their houses while they do not have a sewage system but they pissed on bocket and they threw their urines from the window , and if it happened you were under that window , you will get good hot shower !!!!!!till they traveld to islamic countries and leant from them hygene ??? and curing diseases .... and how to live in harmoney among each other .....
why this guy is so ignorance of islamic history ? while he wanted us to read other's nation history from atheist point of view ????
crap atheisthe is really , i have never heard a dumb atheist scared of islam like this one .
if anyone who knows him, please convery this message to him :
you Sam atheist from Sam 123 :
read the first rule in the world that constitute good relationship between humans revealed in the qur'an 1432 ago before you even have existed or your offspring :
''' surely, Allah commands you to fulfill trust obligations toward those entitled to them and that when you judge between people, judge with fairness''
read the prophet teaching :
''' the prophet never deliver a speech in which he did not say the followings words:
''One who has no trust has no faith and one who breaks the promises has no religion ''''
read the companion and the good rulers :
Omar the thrid khalif , he worries , he said : if a dog dies of thirst at the bank of euphrates, how shall I answer for that to allah '''
where can you get such a leader nowdays ? show me one !!!!!
this is only a flavor of what is in our islam civil society ?
so go back again and read more and remove ignorance from your brain before you say any false statement , you do not need to agree about civil society in islam and what constitute it ? you are free , and no one force you to believe or accept , , but we ask you to just respect it and acknowledge it and keep your mouth shut from something that you do not know .. and does not concern you ,
so either you speak something that you know or .....shut up ... and go for your atheist business as usual and leave islam and muslim alone
i hope you get that piece of advice in friendly manner and in amicable way ,
the last thing we need now , is to have more trouble with the athsists???
the prophet in the quran taught that you should kill non-muslims where you find them.
-Quran chapter 2, verse 191
Surah 98.6:
Verily, those who disbelieve in the Prophet from among the people of the book (jews and christians) and Al-Mushrikun will will abide in the fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
Koran Sura 2:223 your wives are as tilth (farmland) unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will
Koran Sura 5:51 Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends
Koran sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers cut of their heads & fingers
Bukhari 52:260 If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him
Bukhari 84:57 Whoever change his Islamic religion, kill him
Bukhari 89:271 A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism KILL HIM
Sounds pretty intolerant to me. The entire quran is like that if not worse.
honestly ,
mohamed a WARLORD !!!!! where did you get that from ?
20 wives ???? wowwww ? now, a non muslim coming to tell us how many wives the prophet had ? fascinating schoolars you are really ???
as far as the verses you have quoted out of their contest to prove a baseless point !!!! is a techniques that had been used long time and no longer working , better find a new one ,,,, because we heard this before ...
so if the quran taught that you should kill non-muslims where you find them. how it comes million non muslims are still living in muslim land doing business and living happy and nothiong happen to them ??? how it come you still still exist , according to what you said , your great great great parent could have been killed long time and this planet could have been only for muslims ???
wake up and time to realise what you are saying have no logic or common sense
watch one non muslim lady dancing in the street of the heart of muslim land AND NO ONE KILLED HER , unless if you want to make the story true
did you see that ? did you see that muslim man next to her ??? he is a muslim ???
do you think he wants to eat her ? cook her ??
what about in other countries ?
get over it and learn how to leave with other people in normal way rather than in animal way ,people are not that stupid to believe your propaganda
so this type of reform my dear freind was in place very very very long time to keep with the pace of civilisation , and to support what is good and forbid what is evil and bad .
muslims have an advance method and engine whereby reform can take place , based on the qur'an , teaching of our prophet peace be upon him , and his followers... even the west copied this method and using it in their system to revise their quality standard.. and for check and balance
the problem my frteind is what type of reform the west want from us to do ???
is it the reform of making women swim with bikini or naked without shame ? like this
http://www.zeldainformer.com/...
or reform to allow alcohool to be used and consumed like this ?;
or dancing in hysteria like this ?
or gay marriage like this
i know this is your way of life , no problem with that , live the way you choose , but we muslims have our own way of reforming from education to ...
so this type of reform my dear freind was in place very very very long time to keep with the pace of civilisation , and to support what is good and forbid what is evil and bad .
muslims have an advance method and engine whereby reform can take place , based on the qur'an , teaching of our prophet peace be upon him , and his followers... even the west copied this method and using it in their system to revise their quality standard.. and for check and balance
the problem my frteind is what type of reform the west want from us to do ???
is it the reform of making women swim with bikini or naked without shame ? like this
http://www.zeldainformer.com/...
or reform to allow alcohool to be used and consumed like this ?;
or dancing in hysteria like this ?
or gay marriage like this
i know this is your way of life , no problem with that , live the way you choose , but we muslims have our own way of reforming from education to organisation , but we do not want others to come and dictate us what we should reform or how to reform , simple
i hope you understand ...
Oh, and your post against dancing and gays just proves how backward islam is, where people can go to jail worse just because they show their hair or wear it long.
it is very hard to convince you about this complex phenomenon ... and islamic values .... beyond your reach ... due to your education , the environment you brought up and your upbringing!!!!!
however ,
the only thing my freind to tell you in this stage is that what you percieve to be right , is not necessary right for other culture .... what you see as normal , may not be necessarly right for others ....
I give this simple example :
watch this :
you may disaprove of this practice,!!!!!!!
same like muslims they disaprove of gay marriage , there is nothing wrong ...
concerning puting people to jail , it is another huge topic , i do not want to go into it at the mement , but you got to read about islam and muslim tolerance.... it is fascinating ...
I see homosexually as a normal part of the human condition. Islamic states jail and execute homosexuals. This has nothing to do with the way I was raised. I was raised in southern USA witch is very anti-gay, but they don't jail them or execute them.
who told you muslims execute gay or jail them ? do you have any statistic ? and how many death per week or day or month ? and how many islamic countries carry death penalty on gay ?
you are so misinformed ?
I really do not know who feed the mind of ordinary american like you with such ambiguity and misleading info crap ? could it be what you hear in the news and what you see on TV?? or what they thought you in schools?
but you need bit of education in this area.....
first , Islam forbid such act ( homosexuality) , it is also against chritian and judaism teaching - remember we are religoius countries -not liberal - we have few atheists who do disaprove of this act too because they know it will bring AIDS, split families and create disorder in the society .... so ,if this act is normal in your society , it is not normal for muslim society - do you get it ?
second , In islam we are not allowed to spy on people private's lives , everyone is responsible for his /her action , so if there are gays and homosexual activities in the society , these activities are inside houses and doors which islam forbid to go inside them without permission , and those who are doing these acts, it is between them and heir creator, .we believe god will surely punish them in the hell ...
who told you muslims execute gay or jail them ? do you have any statistic ? and how many death per week or day or month ? and how many islamic countries carry death penalty on gay ?
you are so misinformed ?
I really do not know who feed the mind of ordinary american like you with such ambiguity and misleading info crap ? could it be what you hear in the news and what you see on TV?? or what they thought you in schools?
but you need bit of education in this area.....
first , Islam forbid such act ( homosexuality) , it is also against chritian and judaism teaching - remember we are religoius countries -not liberal - we have few atheists who do disaprove of this act too because they know it will bring AIDS, split families and create disorder in the society .... so ,if this act is normal in your society , it is not normal for muslim society - do you get it ?
second , In islam we are not allowed to spy on people private's lives , everyone is responsible for his /her action , so if there are gays and homosexual activities in the society , these activities are inside houses and doors which islam forbid to go inside them without permission , and those who are doing these acts, it is between them and heir creator, .we believe god will surely punish them in the hell in the day of judgment .
third as far as punishment by Government is concerned , we have not yet implemented fully islamic sharia,,, in sha alallah , very soon ---now we have islamic government , for time being .. anyone caught in open air or bousting in the street about such shameful act or encouraging it , they questioned , warned and released but hardly you see anyone killed or being put in prision , in fact prison is full of muslims who want to liberate jeruzalem !!!!! while homosexual are loose free !!!
watch a gay party in muslim land ....
fourth , in our countries , we know very well what freedom is , we value it and we put limitation to what should be respected as norm and what it should be practiced .... we adhere our principals of islam different from you ..... so there is nothing that concern you or bother you if muslims are against homosexuality .... after all this homosexual activities problems have been in this planet for centuries and in every society , but islam try to limit the damage to the society , if there are 34% of usa society citizen are gay!!! and practice homosexuality , there are 0.01% in muslim countries in over 70 countries !!!!!! so get it now ? we do not apporve of this and we do not want it ......simple
above all, did you read in other previous nations how God punish homosexuals?? they have perished , and their civilisation didi not last long ... so that's what is waiting any nation that practice such thing against the nature of human being ....
concerning women issue , i may tell you little thing about it that will make you wish to be in muslim society living with them happy , clean and blessed by your creator who want to see you living as human being not like animals following own desire !!!
"I agree with you , reform is needed..."
If you said that in most islamic countries you would be in fear for your life. Do you live in one?
My God , you are so behind , are you really living in this planet ?
haven't you heard what is going on is muslim countries
it is revolution , it is arab spring !!!!!!!
people died and still dying to establish democratic rule and reform their way of life for the better ???
they did that along time ago and still doing it
watch this syrian person buried alive because he wants democracy and reform
just in egypt yesterday 12 killed and 15 injured
in lybia 60 thousand alone
in tunisia , up to 2000
in yemen , up to 3200
in syria up to 13400 and number is raising
islamic reform does not come cheap !!! or easy ... freedom is not being given free of charge , but earnt by blood .....
concerning reform that the west want
have a look
yes ex factor arab reform , and gay marriage reform , and bikini reform and hashish and drug reform , all these supported by .....
so two type of reform my feind
one with blood but for good cause , and one to be completly like westeners and identity out of window , language no longer there ... and islam is just basic ....
we are in state of reform
I think it's funny how you persecute Islamic culture for violence after knowing the cruel nature of Christianity and Catholicism. Remember the Witch Trials, The Great Crusade, or when Spanish missionaries raided South America and destroyed the Mayan civilization (a superior civilization, by the way...) by "spreading the word"? Furthermore, violence is mostly theoretical and rarely practiced in real life. You read the Qu'ran but did ever live in a Muslim country? Those useless points that you're screwing up to look intelligent.
You said, "Your wives are as tilth (farmland) unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will"
Christians say, Ephesian 5: 22-24, "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."
You said, "Verily, those who disbelieve in the Prophet from among the people of the book and Al-Mushrikun will will abide in the fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.", "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers cut of their heads & fingers", "If a Muslim d...
I think it's funny how you persecute Islamic culture for violence after knowing the cruel nature of Christianity and Catholicism. Remember the Witch Trials, The Great Crusade, or when Spanish missionaries raided South America and destroyed the Mayan civilization (a superior civilization, by the way...) by "spreading the word"? Furthermore, violence is mostly theoretical and rarely practiced in real life. You read the Qu'ran but did ever live in a Muslim country? Those useless points that you're screwing up to look intelligent.
You said, "Your wives are as tilth (farmland) unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will"
Christians say, Ephesian 5: 22-24, "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."
You said, "Verily, those who disbelieve in the Prophet from among the people of the book and Al-Mushrikun will will abide in the fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.", "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers cut of their heads & fingers", "If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him", or "A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism KILL HIM"
The Quran says, "Those who spend freely, whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon ALL MEN; for ALLAH LOVES THOSE WHO DO GOOD. (3:134)
Also, "O mankind, truly We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Truly the most noble of you, in the sight of God, is the most God-conscious." (49:13)
"For every community (of faith) We have appointed ways of worship, which they aught to observe. Hence, do not let those (who follow other ways) draw you into dispute on this score, but summon them to their Sustainer: for you are on the right way. And if they argue with you, say: God knows best what you are doing." (22:67)
You said, "Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends..."
Though they were slaves for a period, black people are not shunned in the Muslim world. However, in Christainized America, Black American are still heavily discriminated against.
Stop it, please. I'm not Muslim; I'm atheist. But I know how corrupt Christianity and Catholicism can be in the wrong hands. If you think your religion is superior to any other, you're a brainwashed fool...
2) I hate Christianity and Zionism too. Go look at my posted questions and you will see far more about Christianity then Islam.
We want to talk about Christianity, where in the Bible did Christ say to fight those that you disagree with, to go to war with those that you oppose, or have attacked you.
Give me a reference, to your Christ, that he supports these ideas? The idea's that we are more civilized thus better than another group or religion. Please show me........