Muslim Group Seeks to Ban Sharia Law in America
I am proud to see them supporting freedom, even though I disagree with the way they've chosen to do it. I just don't agree with bans - particularly those involving religion. I don't think it's effective, I reject the principle of it and in my opinion, it goes against the Constitutional limitations of govt. That said - I love to see people breaking down bad stereotypes and I will stand in solidarity with them AGAINST Islamic Law - in any form - being forced on citizens whether by govt. or other citizens.
Muslim Group Seeks to Ban Sharia Law in America
September 13, 2011 at 8:11am by
The debate over Sharia law in America is taking some interesting twists and turns.
In Oklahoma, courts are debating whether citizens have the right to
ban Sharia law. And in Michigan, a group of Muslims have actually come
out in strong opposition to Islamic law in America.
In the case of Oklahoma, a 2010 ballot initiative
put a stop to considerations of Islamic laws in making state court
decisions. The measure, which passed by a 70 percent margin, was
challenged by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). The
group claimed that the initiative was a direct violation of the
Constitution’s Establishment Clause. ABC News has more:
Now, a panel of judges from the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals will
decide whether a lower court was right to block the ballot initiative.
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) joined CAIR in challenging
this anti-Sharia measure.
In a separate debate, the American Islamic Leadership Conference
(AILC) recently announced support for a Michigan bill (HB 4679) that
would prevent state judges from utilizing foreign laws. This, to the
surprise of some, would include Sharia law. This group, comprised of
Muslim adherents, is opposed do any state court decisions that would
conflict with American law. In an official release, the group writes:
As American Muslims, we believe that the law should treat
people of all faiths equally, while protecting Muslims and non-Muslims
alike from extremist attempts to use the legal instrument of shari‘ah
(also known as Islamic jurisprudence, or fiqh) to incubate,
within the West, a highly politicized and dangerous understanding of
Islam that is generally known as “Islamism,” or “radical Islam.”
In the statement, the group also claims that it sees no problem with
the law and that it will not, as some would likely charge, hamper the
rights of Muslims. Additionally, the AILC opposes the “fear mongering”
it claims more radical groups are undertaking here in America, writing:
As American Muslims we are conscious of the fact that
Muslim Brotherhood legacy groups and other Islamists and their
surrogates in the U.S. are trying their best to portray any opposition
to manifestations of shari‘ah law as “racism” and “discrimination
against Muslims.”
According to the Huffington Post,
Manda Ervin, who signed on to the release and who heads the
Maryland-based Alliance of Iranian Women, explained why she’s opposed to
Sharia law here in America:
“Many of us fled the Muslim world to escape Shariah law…We do not wish these laws to follow us here.”
But not all Muslims agree with state laws that would officially
forbid Sharia compliance. Abdullahi Ahmed An-Na’im, a law professor at
Emory University in Atlanta, has the following to say about initiatives
like the ones currently being debated in Oklahoma and Michigan:
“It‘s fearmongering and it’s reckless. It’s ridiculous
that state legislatures are wasting time on a law that tells judges to
do what they are already constitutionally bound to do anyway.”
Michigan and Oklahoma are not alone. More than 20 states are
examining laws that would ban Sharia in courtrooms. It is important,
however, to understand that each of these laws have a different focus.
While some explicitly point out Islamic law and solely target its
tenets, other proposals — like the one in Michigan — more broadly target
foreign laws. The AILC has come out in support for latter but not the
former.
For more of this story, go here:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/muslim-group-seeks-to-ban-sha...-- So what say you, do you agree with their effort to ban Sharia Law? Do you think it is Constitutional? Would love to hear some opinions.
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Boris Badinov September 13, 2011 14:45:34+9Sharia ultimately seperates Americans from each other. This is America. Sharia is unkown here and must remain an unacceptable and unAmerican foreign and a dangerous seperating authority.






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Warren Jeffs followed his perception of his religion, and now he is in prison. If we can 'ban' his behavior, why not other religions whose measures are equally as harsh?
Members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints practice polygamy in arranged marriages that often, but not always, involve placing young girls with older men.
They WANT to practice polygamy, and they KNOW of the arranged marriages, even with 'young girls'. (I'm not condoning the behavior, but the members of this group do know these things.)
The US Government has made such practices illegal.
Don't like this one? How about Native Americans who used peyote in their religious activities? Was made illegal.
So, if we can craft legislation telling them they must stop certain practices, why not craft legislation for this, as well?
Jeff's reasoning for doing it is irrelevant to the fact that it infringes on the individual rights of another citizen - which is unlawful.
I do not understand the reasoning here.
Its okay to regulate a religion if its practices infringe on others by passing Laws or legislation, but NOT for Sharia Law?
Why the "exemption"?
And, "made the use of all hallucinogens illegal". Hmmmm, did you stop to wonder why?...and whom it effected the most?
So, if I can give you a reason like public safety to ban Sharia Law, would you then support it?
Did you read me posts? I've stated that numerous times. That was my whole point - what is the necessity in banning something that is already Unconstitutional for a number of reasons - none of which are religious in nature?
It's not"ok" to regulate anything religious in nature and the Constitution very specifically states that. However - the Constitution was designed to FORCE our govt. to recognize and uphold / protect rights against unlawful infringements by means of force or fraud.
Obviously - Sharia directly infringes on the rights of citizens. Hence - it is already illegal (for reasons completely unrelated to "religion" itself) and as such - the govt. is required by the Constitution to uphold the people's rights from such infringements. So it's already illegal. Why ban something that's already illegal?
As my friend stated a bit further down - in jest - "great, maybe next we can make 'illegal immigration' "illegal!"" LOL - it's already illegal.
That about covers it, for me.
The Government has already passed legislation aimed directly at (a) religion, until said religion 'altered their beliefs'.
So, my question still stands....if we can target one(Mormons) for this kind of behavior, why not Islam?
This ban allegedly isn't directed at Islam. It's supposed to be directed at any Foreign Law. That's what they've said, at least. Can't vouch for the validity of it.
My question is what is the necessity? It's already illegal?
Haven't you noticed that activist judges don't care what the law is? (they will make their own law)
New Jersey Family Judge Accepts 'Sharia Defense' to Excuse Spousal Rape
http://www.associatedcontent....
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but spousal abuse and rape are already illegal, yet this judge determined it was ok, since he claimed it was part of his religion. It shows the problem of simply ignoring Islam and its "customs" and acting as if our laws already cover them.
And you do realize that spousal abuse cases almost always lack the wife as a witness and without such are very very difficult to prosecute, correct? It happens everyday and completely unrelated to religion. Did the wife testify against the husband?
http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu...
That is the nature of our Society.
What one generation tolerates, the next will accept as the norm.
Perhaps legislation is not necessary, but if not, then we need to come up with a way to punish those judges (like this one), who ignore US Law and make rulings based on foreign or religious law.
So, in my mind, the way to accomplish that is to write legislation, spelling it out for those judges who believe they can do whatever they want.
Here in TX we elect judges. I think that is an excellent solution to bench activists.
Let me ask you this:
Your car has a squeaky wheel:
Do you ignore it because the system isn't failing, or take it as a warning that maybe the system is on the brink of failing, and take action to fix it?
Simply put, thats how I see it.
If only this were actually true.
FORCING me to buy Health Insurance does not infringe upon my right to choose?
Ignoring bankruptcy laws (in a stimulus bill) doesn't infringe upon investors rights?
The Patriot Act didn't infringe upon my right to privacy?
This new "probable cause, no warrant required" ruling doesn't infringe upon the right of illegal search and seizure?
Progressive tax rates don't infringe upon the 'equality' part of the Declaration of Independence?
No, government has absolutely no problem infringing upon peoples rights.
And now that I read my own post, you are correct. What would be the point, knowing that any legislation would simply be ignored...
We have a process and we don't fight preventative crime - you know that. Of course our country has issues. But you know as well as I do, obviously, the usurping power in not a solution to usurping power.
I think that it's an interesting approach though - it provides an interesting counter to those who claim that Muslims never speak out against oppression in the name of Islam, and will reveal a good amount of those who claim that this is part of the "plan" as people who will never accept Muslims as citizens, and are basing their objections on fear and prejudice rather than reason.
No, I don't think there is a threat to U.S. liberties or a violation of the Constitution in doing that.
Sharia Law is NOT religious.
Sharia Law IS POLITICAL and incompatible with U.S. national sovereignty.
Political Islam is a set of ideologies holding that Islam is not only a religion but also a political system; that modern Muslims must return to the roots of their religion, and unite politically. Islamist thinkers emphasize the enforcement of sharia (Islamic law) on Muslims; of pan-Islamic political unity; and of the elimination of non-Muslims, particularly western military, economic, political, social, or cultural influences in the Muslim world, which they believe to be incompatible with Islam.
The Bill of Rights covers this sort of thing.
Sharia law by definition is the imposition of a state religion, if Christians can't do that here in over two hundred years of trying a tiny minority religion certainly isn't going to.
That said, if it keeps them busy and out of the way of serious policy makers it could be a good thing.
That said - do you have proof that this effort is being "run by republicans?" That's an awfully bold accusation to make with no proof of such. I challenge you to submit evidence of that accusation - with respect to THIS group.
http://thinkprogress.org/poli...
http://detnews.com/article/20...
And here is a reference that details the overall movement within the GOP and it's roots in the White Supremacy movement.
http://motherjones.com/politi...
Of the 20 plus states that are considering such laws, are you aware of any that were proposed by anyone other than GOP legislators? I haven't researched all of them, but the ones I have are all republican proposals.
I'm not saying that all republicans are bigoted or making any accusations, it's just a political gimmick that happens to have caught on on the right. In Oklahoma they used the vote to insinuate that anyone who voted against the bill was voting for Sharia law, which is how they got 70% approval on their referendum.
It's silly political theater, something neither party is immune to, but this particular play is being staged by the right. I'm pretty sure we could find one equally silly from the left, although none come to mind at the moment, but that isn't the topic of your question.
http://thinkprogress.org/poli...
http://detnews.com/article/20...
And here is a reference that details the overall movement within the GOP and it's roots in the White Supremacy movement.
http://motherjones.com/politi...
Of the 20 plus states that are considering such laws, are you aware of any that were proposed by anyone other than GOP legislators? I haven't researched all of them, but the ones I have are all republican proposals.
I'm not saying that all republicans are bigoted or making any accusations, it's just a political gimmick that happens to have caught on on the right. In Oklahoma they used the vote to insinuate that anyone who voted against the bill was voting for Sharia law, which is how they got 70% approval on their referendum.
It's silly political theater, something neither party is immune to, but this particular play is being staged by the right. I'm pretty sure we could find one equally silly from the left, although none come to mind at the moment, but that isn't the topic of your question.
I think the Muslim group is more a response to calls like I see here from republicans that not enough Muslims are standing publicly against their violent fundamentalist minority.
What really kind of stuns me is that those who do take a public stand, Muslims like the one who wants to build the Muslim Community Center, who both was an adviser to Bush and is a business partner to Rupert Murdoch, are still lambasted by the right.
How do you get more right wing street cred than that? I feel kind of sorry for the poor bastard! LOL!
I think the reason the backlash to the NY Mosque was so intense was because it was related to Ground Zero - even of only loosely. Then their applying for govt. funding to do it only added to fuel to that fire.
You also have to consider that since 9/11 - Americans have been pretty well-conditioned with the idea that if you "feel something poses a threat" - you must seek and destroy it. ATTACK! BAN! CRIMINALIZE! lol And in many cases at the expense of freedom.
Amazing how the same folks that rally around private property rights almost completely forgot the concept overnight. It's really on all sides too. Ron Paul was right - it appears Americans believe we live in an era of relative ethics. And that more than anything else - I think - it what's slowly destroying our country. Rights aren't relative to opinions. lol
Thanks for the candid response - sorry again for wrongly jumping on the defense. Have a good one Tea. =)
This isn't about religion. It's about the law. Having different legal systems for people within one state based on religion or ethnicity is completely incompatible with the concept of equality before the law. Sharia is incompatible with democracy and civilised society.
I mean - basically it's the same premise. And we already have a Constitution that forbids legislative attempts that are religious in nature. So while I do agree that we can't have multiple judicial systems - I don't see the need to ban it. I think we already have safeguards that prevent the implementation of such. Particularly given that Sharia - as you noted - directly infringes on the rights of citizens - and the Constitution also forbids any such law.