Murder is a legal term and as of currently Abortion is not defined as murder. So under what non-religious moral or ethical grounds can you define Abortion as murder?
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Top Opinion
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Pat 2012/05/04 16:30:49Women have the rights and priviledges granted under the constitution includin...
+10I agree with ETpro. Women have the right to determine what happens to their own bodies. I also agree that once the fetus has grown to the point where it would be able to survive outside the womb, abortion should not be allowed. This is a very personal decision and not one that should be open to public discussion. It's between a woman and her doctor. Most abortions could probably be avoided if women had easy access to reliable birth control and if our young men and women were educated about birth control before the issue becomes a problem for them. Some groups want it both ways - no birth control and no abortions. That will not work.
Most states and most countries recognize this. and most have limits, right now, it is tied largely to 22-24 weeks as the top limit with exceptions of rape, incest, or medical issues,, because preemies born around that time CAN survive outside the mother.
At 22-24 week a fetus may be able to survive out of the womb rarely without medical intervention(because the lungs are not fully developed), that is NOT the description of personhood however.
The womans body and what she does with it is her choice, If someone murders that woman, he is taking the life of a woman born and grown, and if she is pregnant at the time of her death, she obviously hasnt had an abortion and her choice to carry it is also hers. A woman has the legal constitutional and HUMAN RIGHT to abort. The moment that fetus is born and not dependent on the womb, it is an individual person
NO not a double standard. Just a clearer standard to judge , what an individual is.
Being pro-life is not putting the rights of the fetus above the rights of the mother either. It's not an equal dichotomy. If the fetus is not threatening her life, then at most it is inconveniencing her. She is not obligated to keep the child, so she can have her body back after 9 months. However, should she chose to abort, the fetus gets its entire life taken away from it before it's even had a chance to stand up for itself. I don't care what stage of development it's at, a properly implanted embryo or fetus is an unborn human being. I believe it has the right to life as much as any other human being. Nowhere else in civilized society is it okay to kill someone because he or she is inconveniencing you or making your life more difficult.
SIMPLE
LEGALLY and constitutionally and in a human rights capacity.
Your opinion about what being pro life means is purely YOUR moral opinion, not legal, not constitutional or human rights wise. so yeah, no fact, just moral interpretation.
you dont care what the constitution or the law says but expect everyone to accept and live by your belief.
If you dont agree with abortion dont have one, simple.
If you have to make a law that hurts a number of people, just to prove your morals or faith, then you have no true morals or faith to prove
UNBORN is the clue...NOT a person with rights that supercede the rights of the living breathing person carrying it.
I cannot fathom how anyone can think that simply because a human being is still in utero that it is not a human being. That has nothing to do with morals. Once an embryo implants, the process of human life has begun. To end that life is to end a life, and that's murder. You can call that an opinion if you'd like, but you'd be wrong.
I never said otherwise and it is a fact and SHOULD be.
For the rest...you are entitled to think that. You are entitled to say that, you are not entitled to make that "decision" for another person. And im just as entitled to disagree with you.
Have a great day
Be careful to wear a condom or get the snip for EVERY time you have sex, cos it takes two to tango, reduce YOUR risk of fathering a child too.
And I did my first OBGYN back in the 80s and that is what I read, learned and took to heart.
the killing of another human being... check
characterized by premeditation... check
Don't know why that's so hard to understand.
So when does a embro become a human being? you missed that definition
Right and wrong is a separate spectrum from legal and illegal. While things that are wrong should be illegal, that is not always the case. And even then, everything that is wrong should't be illegal, as where do you draw that line (but that's a different discussion all together).
All I said was it's not legally murder as they are not legally people.
To make it legally murder and stop abortion, you must change the legal definition of a person to include an embryo and/or fetus. And thus far, most states that have tried have failed.
99.9999999% of out of utero pregnancies will grow to a certain point and usually be an ectopic pregnancy which HAS to be removed for the life of the mother.