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Mr. Romney, I am one of the 47%

LesWaggoner BN 1 2012/09/19 06:18:42

and I am not a “victim”.


From 1946 until 1963 you would have been paying 91% of every dollar above $2,486,533 of your income. That is $15,937,254.97 just to cover the top marginal tax rate. It would take me 618 years 10 months 22 days 16 hours 57 minutes and 19 seconds to make what you made in 2010.


If I had to pay taxes on my Social Security income, as you would have me do, I would have paid $9380 or 26.75% of my income in federal taxes alone. On top of that I would have to pay my share of FICA and Medicare of $2677.50 in addition to $938 in state taxes. That is a grand total of $12,995.50 or 37% of my income. And you paid 13.9% of your $21+ million income?


Your claim is that Social Security is a federal expense. If that’s the case where did all the money that I paid in for my Social Security go?


Since Dwight Eisenhower was first elected in 1952 congress has been aware of the baby boom and that our lives were being extended through better medical care. For the past 60 years congress has chosen to ignore those two facts and continually “kicked the can down the road”.


If congress had been doing their job properly the percentage that we pay for FICA would have been increased in the early 1950’s and both my father, for 23 years, and I, for 50 years, would have contributed to Social Security for the coming generations.


Don’t tell me that I am a welfare case when you are living on tax welfare.

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  • ☆stillthe12c☆ 2012/09/23 05:37:04
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    For one thing all hidden taxes should be removed. This would really be a big help to the poor and the middle class. Next get rid on all deduction. either use a sales tax or a flat 15 tax for everyone.
  • sue 2012/09/21 21:51:46
    sue
    +1
    nicely said.
  • TerryAgee 2012/09/20 14:33:06
    TerryAgee
    +1
    Bravo! Take a bow! Standing ovation! Well said! Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
  • Joel 2012/09/20 14:19:37
    Joel
    +1
    Brilliantly articulated! You say much here to highlight the GOP "Mittastrophe" of 2012. Love it!
  • Bilingual required sucks 2012/09/20 07:34:22
    Bilingual required sucks
    +1
    Your post is just brilliant.
  • rustyshackelford 2012/09/20 03:32:38
  • LesWagg... rustysh... 2012/09/30 22:04:50
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    I started researching economic issues in the early 1970's because I found that I knew too little about the subject. Unlike educated economists those like me tend to get into the nitty-gritty of economic history. This includes debt to GDP history, inflation history, income tax history, government income and spending history. We look to see what has worked and what has not worked.

    Rusty, FICA is Social Security.
    But let me tell you a secret. Well over 75% of us in the middle class end up without anything in the way of savings or investments to carry us into our sunset years. There always seems to be some immidiate need that is more important than saving for the future with each pay check.
    The amount that comes out of your check is miniscule (4.2% + 1.45% Medicare) but your employer pays an additional 9.65%. As an investment you are getting a payback that is double your contribution without any risk. If you die prematurely your wife will collect your benefits.
    The future does not look as good as it did before I retired and saving for retirement is getting more difficult with time. Since the late 1970's we have beedn losing the battle to keep our income up with inflation. Median wages in 2011 were the same as they were in 1995 but inflation has risen by 39.1%.
    Bill Clinton s...
    I started researching economic issues in the early 1970's because I found that I knew too little about the subject. Unlike educated economists those like me tend to get into the nitty-gritty of economic history. This includes debt to GDP history, inflation history, income tax history, government income and spending history. We look to see what has worked and what has not worked.

    Rusty, FICA is Social Security.
    But let me tell you a secret. Well over 75% of us in the middle class end up without anything in the way of savings or investments to carry us into our sunset years. There always seems to be some immidiate need that is more important than saving for the future with each pay check.
    The amount that comes out of your check is miniscule (4.2% + 1.45% Medicare) but your employer pays an additional 9.65%. As an investment you are getting a payback that is double your contribution without any risk. If you die prematurely your wife will collect your benefits.
    The future does not look as good as it did before I retired and saving for retirement is getting more difficult with time. Since the late 1970's we have beedn losing the battle to keep our income up with inflation. Median wages in 2011 were the same as they were in 1995 but inflation has risen by 39.1%.
    Bill Clinton said it best at the DNC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    For me and others like me, Social Security has been a life saver. I have forgone Medicare because I am lucky enough to have a medical plan similar to "Obamacare" that costs me a total of $100 per month for both my wife and I.
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  • Lulu's Mom 2012/09/20 01:59:16
  • Jasmine 2012/09/20 00:30:35
    Jasmine
    +2
    BRAVO, LES!!! THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING OUT.

    RIGHT ON TARGET
  • Singerar 2012/09/20 00:17:05
  • kudabux 2012/09/19 23:38:57 (edited)
    kudabux
    +5
    Great post. All those years the largest group was paying into SS and the coffers should have been overflowing with the huge influx of their dollars. Instead, SS has been raided to fund wars and now we are told it is drying up. Well, if it wasn't raided, it would be there.
  • Soup Man kudabux 2012/09/20 15:55:56
    Soup Man
    That all end in 1964 with LBJ
  • kudabux Soup Man 2012/09/20 17:46:30
    kudabux
    No it was first raided by Ike who opened it up.
  • Soup Man kudabux 2012/09/21 01:06:42
    Soup Man
    But LBJ made it part of the general fund in 1964
  • kudabux Soup Man 2012/09/21 13:07:47
    kudabux
    +1
    Dwight Eisenhower was the principal force behind the greatest single expansion of Social Security beneficiaries in the history of the program. He led the legislative drive to add over ten million Americans to the system. Here’s how it developed. http://www.eisenhowermemorial...

    The Social Security Amendments of 1965 signed by LBJ,, enacted July 30, 1965, was legislation in the United States whose most important provisions resulted in creation of two programs: Medicare and Medicaid. The legislation initially provided federal health insurance for the elderly (over 65) and for poor families. The signing of the act, as part of Johnson's Great Society, began an era with a greater emphasis on public health issues. Medicare and Medicaid became the United States' first public health insurance programs.
  • LesWagg... kudabux 2012/09/30 22:14:29
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    You are wrong about raiding the SS fund. The Social Security Act requires the trust fund to invest only in instruments that carry "the full faith and credit of the federal government". The only instruments that qualify are debt instruments of the federal government issued by the treasury department. The federal government is required to repay those investment upon presentation for redemption.

    What has happened id that congress in its unlimited stupidity has chosen since 1952 to ignore the fact of the baby boom and the extension of our lifespans. Congress has continually kicked the solution down the road to this day.

    If congress had had the sense to correct the issue in the 1950's both my father (for 26 years) and I (for 50 years) would have contributed additional funds to assure that the baby boom would not present a problem. The problem now is that not enough fundws are being added to the SS Trust Fund to cover the baby boom and the extension of our lifespans.
  • kudabux LesWagg... 2012/10/01 01:43:16
    kudabux
    +1
    Again, what happened to all the money the millions of baby boomers contributed? There should have been a surplus. And I am not wrong. SS was raided to fund dubya's wars.
  • LesWagg... kudabux 2012/10/01 17:42:42
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    +1
    There is a lag time in the funding due to the way it is set up. When the baby boomers have all retired and gone to their glory there will be an excess in the trust fund.
  • Soup Man 2012/09/19 23:30:34
    Soup Man
    +1
    Well les you are just living to long. Barry will help you out on that point
    life expectancy was less than 65 back in 1935, so the Social Security program was designed in such a way that people would not live long enough to collect benefits?
  • LesWagg... Soup Man 2012/09/20 02:41:41
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    +1
    The expected lifespan of someone born in 1935 was about 60 and the original SS Act set the age for benefits at 65.
    The first lump sum payment was to Ernest Ackerman in January 1937 in the amount of 17 cents. The first monthly payout was in January 1940 (not available until then) was issued to Ida May Fuller in the amount of $24.75.
  • Soup Man LesWagg... 2012/09/20 15:54:09
    Soup Man
    Indeed
  • LesWagg... Soup Man 2012/09/30 22:19:53 (edited)
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    If you expect me to die to save the SS fund some cash your expectations are ill founded.

    We did give up my Medicare in favor of a medical plan similar to "Obamacare" that costs us less than us $100 per month for both my wife and I.

    By the way, I am only 71 and expect a few more years.
  • Soup Man LesWagg... 2012/10/01 02:51:02
    Soup Man
    +1
    No I wish you a long health life for you and your wife it is the federal government who wishes you a short life
  • LesWagg... Soup Man 2012/10/01 17:45:57
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    +1
    Good luck to the feds. Not knowing your age but knowing that you are younger than I am you and your peers will have an even longer average lifespan.
  • Soup Man LesWagg... 2012/10/02 01:43:35
  • bags the Indigenous Guru 2012/09/19 23:28:35
    bags the Indigenous Guru
    +7
    Well said, Les.. I've been wondering all my life what would happen when all us Boomers got to 'that age'. Now we know. I did everything that was asked of me as a good citizen. I paid all my taxes, worked 2 and 3 jobs. Had me own business and paid all the taxes due. I was involved in the local court system and very active politically, I volunteered for decades for the local church. And now that I am over 60, and have become disabled (which I never anticipated) I'm being referred to as someone who is lazy and dependent and...... Dependent? I bought insurance, and now they want to dog me for USING that insurance? I'm no lazy teat sucking bum. I did my bit, only to be told I'm now a drag.

    It sounded to me like Dickens' Scrooge.....
  • Tarheel bags th... 2012/09/19 23:36:45
    Tarheel
    +4
    I halfway expect him to be caught saying, "Let them eat cake."
  • bags th... Tarheel 2012/09/19 23:38:45
    bags the Indigenous Guru
    +3
    ROFL! IKR!
  • **Starz... Tarheel 2012/09/20 01:20:06
    **StarzAbove**
    +1
    That will come later when he goofs up again.....just saying. lol
  • Tarheel **Starz... 2012/09/20 01:24:26
    Tarheel
    +1
    I'll look forward to it!
  • Pele Em... bags th... 2012/09/19 23:53:28
    Pele Emerging
    +3
    "Are there no workhouses? Are there no prisons?"

    Ebenezer before his reform would be proud! I wonder how many links in the chain some of our politicians are forging.
  • **Starz... bags th... 2012/09/20 01:20:22
    **StarzAbove**
    +1
    Good reply!!!!!
  • Soup Man bags th... 2012/09/20 01:32:31
    Soup Man
    Yep and you kept on voting in the progressive liberals. well that’s if you voted at all
  • bags th... Soup Man 2012/09/20 06:03:15
    bags the Indigenous Guru
    +1
    I've never missed a vote since I turned of age to vote. And, once you register you go on the roles for Jury Duty and I been called for that too. Find another tree to bark up.
  • GOP Poison 2012/09/19 23:17:48
    GOP Poison
    +9
    I just watched Mitt Romneys mother on film talking about how mitt Romneys father was on welfare during his childhood years when they came here from Mexico.In accordance with Mitts way of thinking that would mean that he would not even care about his own father because his own father would not vote for him. Does mitt really think his father and grand parents considered themselves victims?
  • pizzaman7 2012/09/19 23:09:58
    pizzaman7
    +1
    In 2011 Romney gave $4 million to charity. I bet a lot of you jag-offs don't even come close to the percentage of his income that he gives to charity. He also gave his inheritance to charity. How many of you would do that ? Let's compare that to Joe Biden who gives almost nothing to charities. Your fearless leader only started donations when he took presidency only for political reasons.

    Tax write-offs are legal. I have many myself. Giving your hard-earned money to the black hole called government is a waste. Government is slow, inefficient, and wasteful. until they stop spending money we don't have they don't deserve our tax money. $16 trillion debt folks. you can tax the rich all you want you will never pay that down the way things are going. you have no choice but to cut spending.

    I don't hate the rich. I have a job because of them. let's celebrate success. anyone can make it out there if they work hard enough. government does not create prosperity nor are they the reason for our success. they are the ones holding us back. many of you think government is the solution to our problems. entrepreneurs have created whole new industries and created jobs so the system works as long as the government doesn't ruin it with their over-regulations.

    I have liberal ...
    In 2011 Romney gave $4 million to charity. I bet a lot of you jag-offs don't even come close to the percentage of his income that he gives to charity. He also gave his inheritance to charity. How many of you would do that ? Let's compare that to Joe Biden who gives almost nothing to charities. Your fearless leader only started donations when he took presidency only for political reasons.

    Tax write-offs are legal. I have many myself. Giving your hard-earned money to the black hole called government is a waste. Government is slow, inefficient, and wasteful. until they stop spending money we don't have they don't deserve our tax money. $16 trillion debt folks. you can tax the rich all you want you will never pay that down the way things are going. you have no choice but to cut spending.

    I don't hate the rich. I have a job because of them. let's celebrate success. anyone can make it out there if they work hard enough. government does not create prosperity nor are they the reason for our success. they are the ones holding us back. many of you think government is the solution to our problems. entrepreneurs have created whole new industries and created jobs so the system works as long as the government doesn't ruin it with their over-regulations.

    I have liberal friends whose careers are not well. it is their fault. they don't go to school or better themselves. they want "a livable wage" but don't have skill sets that would attract employers. quit crying. quit getting angry at what other people are making. go make your own way. you will be much happier !!
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  • Soup Man pizzaman7 2012/09/20 01:39:09
  • Sinpac pizzaman7 2012/09/20 02:01:37
    Sinpac
    +2
    I have republican friends who criticize the Government but yet take ever Government hand out they can get there hands on. They cry about how they lost their jobs and blame the Unions. Of course this same Republican friend of mine are jealous of my Union wage, I would like to see just one of those candy @sses ride a swing stage 60 stories in the air make repairs to windows and failed sealant in the expansion joints. But yet for some jacked up reason they think I should be making McDonald wages. Now as far as the charity thing there is more to charity then just throwing a fist full of money at it. Folks perform acts of charity everyday that don't require any money does that make any less of a contributor?
  • LesWagg... pizzaman7 2012/09/20 02:58:53
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    +1
    Let's get one thing straight. I am a success, not in the dollars that you seem to admire so much but in a life of satisfaction. Over the years I have given away much of what I had.

    What I have earned over the years doesn't come close to what Romney made in 2010 but I am now retired and help a family of ten here. On a monthly average it costs us 15.4% of our income to help them but the payback is wonderful.

    Who did you help today?
  • auxarc pizzaman7 2012/09/21 00:34:42
    auxarc
    +1
    pizzaman7,
    Why didn't Mitt Romney give the $4 million to the 120,000 American workers whose jobs were exported to India and China by Bain Captial?

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