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Most Americans UNDERESTIMATE the Tax Burden

WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA 2012/08/18 17:13:01
They also have NO IDEA what they are in for if Obama is re-elected, vote him out!


Friday, August 17, 2012


One of the more remarkable features of the political landscape remains the fact that most Americans believe the nation is overtaxed while dramatically underestimating the actual level of taxes paid.


A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey confirms that finding.
If a person earns $60,000 a year, only 11% think that person would pay
more than $15,000 in payroll and income taxes. In reality, while the
amount would vary depending upon the circumstances of the individual,
the actual tax burden would be higher than that amount.


As a starting point, such a salary would generate $4,590 in payroll
taxes. Recommended withholding for such a salary range from $7,000 to
$10,000 before inclusion of state taxes. Overall, even if the worker
only paid 17% in combined state and federal income taxes, their total
payments would top the $15,000 mark.


Nine percent (9%) think the total tax bill would be less than $5,000
annually. That barely covers the cost of the payroll taxes. Twenty-seven
percent (27%) think the total would be between $5,000 and $10,000,
while 17% estimate a tax burden between $10,000 and $15,000. (To see
survey question wording, click here.)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/taxes...

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  • Adakin Valorem 2012/08/18 17:44:39
    Adakin Valorem
    +5
    WIA, your post points out how much American taxpayers are shelling out NOW. But readers need to see what Barry has in store for us on January 1, 2013...just four months from now... see http://www.sodahead.com/livin...

    People have no clue how much tax they pay because their money is confiscated from them before they ever see one dime of their earnings. The gov't gets paid, before you can put one crumb of food in your baby's mouth, before you can put clothes on her back or a roof over your family's head. The Plantation Massah get's PAID FIRST!

    If you ask someone what they make, their answer is "I TAKE HOME $XXX each week"... most folks cannot tell you what they really earn, because upwards of 1/3 of it is removed before they ever see it.

    BTW, Rasmussen's hypothetical $60,000 income earner, if SELF-employed is paying $9,180 in employment tax instead of the $4,590 figure posted. The gov't doesn't want you to actually WORK FOR YOURSELF. They need you to be "selling your labor" to someone else at a wholesale price instead of letting you earn the retail value of your services.

    All the more reason to scrap the entire tax code and replace it with The FairTax (noun, not verb) The FairTax is an existing bill in congress, HR-25/S-13. It has over six dozen cosponsors in t...




    WIA, your post points out how much American taxpayers are shelling out NOW. But readers need to see what Barry has in store for us on January 1, 2013...just four months from now... see http://www.sodahead.com/livin...

    People have no clue how much tax they pay because their money is confiscated from them before they ever see one dime of their earnings. The gov't gets paid, before you can put one crumb of food in your baby's mouth, before you can put clothes on her back or a roof over your family's head. The Plantation Massah get's PAID FIRST!

    If you ask someone what they make, their answer is "I TAKE HOME $XXX each week"... most folks cannot tell you what they really earn, because upwards of 1/3 of it is removed before they ever see it.

    BTW, Rasmussen's hypothetical $60,000 income earner, if SELF-employed is paying $9,180 in employment tax instead of the $4,590 figure posted. The gov't doesn't want you to actually WORK FOR YOURSELF. They need you to be "selling your labor" to someone else at a wholesale price instead of letting you earn the retail value of your services.

    All the more reason to scrap the entire tax code and replace it with The FairTax (noun, not verb) The FairTax is an existing bill in congress, HR-25/S-13. It has over six dozen cosponsors in the house and senate. It's different in that the FairTax, is based on 'consumption' and not on 'income or asset' acrual. YOU choose what you spend your money on, as such, you would choose when you pay taxes.

    With an income tax, your money is SEIZED!
    With the FairTax, your money is PAID when you choose to buy something and you know UP FRONT what the price is before you pull the purchase trigger.

    For info see http://www.fairtax.org/site/P...
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  • Adakin Valorem 2012/08/20 11:58:40 (edited)
    Adakin Valorem
    HEY LIB/PROGS... there is a BETTER WAY to collect taxes... Here's a video of a Democrat explaining a proposal that both sides of the isle can accept...

  • RJeffreySavlov 2012/08/19 20:50:41
    RJeffreySavlov
    +1
    Here Here.
  • Don Leuty 2012/08/19 04:07:18
    Don Leuty
    +1
    Now add thousands of excise taxes on manufactured goods and the number goes ballistic.
  • goatman112003 2012/08/19 03:24:29
    goatman112003
    +1
    Its more than the taxes but also prices. Who pays all the taxes involved in the making of the produc. The consumer. So take home less and pay more. Love those communists.
  • mal 2012/08/18 23:18:42
    mal
    most american's drive and text,piss and text,eat and text,work and text, sext and text.enough said.
  • Scott C 2012/08/18 21:17:17
    Scott C
    +3
    Again we see a lack of knowledge of the people being a major problem, but if we have a distorted view in taxes paid do you think we also need a reality check when it comes to the size of the nations debt and where our taxes are actually being spent??? If we only knew the wastes this government has in its budget it would stifle our thinking.
  • jmc07806-PWCM-JLA 2012/08/18 20:47:10
    jmc07806-PWCM-JLA
    +1
    They really do not understand how many taxes they pay and onwhat.
  • sglmom 2012/08/18 20:15:51
    sglmom
    +3
    My children got an eye-opener ..
    when .. (Despite their objections .. )

    as young teens .. pre-teens ..
    I chose to have my children ..
    during the summertime ..
    also attend 4H Programs MONEY CAMP ..

    (my goodness .. they were certainly deeply affected when they learned about Taxes, Income, Licenses/Fees .. what Financing is .. how to make large purchases .. balance a checkbook .. see what income tax forms are and what would come out of their paychecks .. as well as what happens when one gets married and children come along (and how a personal budget is affected)).

    Truly then had a better appreciation for ALL my IRRITATIONS with the Amount I pay in Taxes each year ..
    (at ALL LEVELS .. )

    You'd not seen eyes get that big!

    (and yes, other than budgeting .. they did have some fun too .. but had to budget for that as well!)
  • Striker 2012/08/18 18:59:49 (edited)
    Striker
    +1
    Allow me to address the "tax burden" by simply looking at the National Debt of about $16 trillion and growing. Load http://www.usdebtclock.org/ in a new tab.

    Then add in $120 trillion in "unfunded future liabilities" which means over $1 MILLION per Taxpayer. Can YOU pay your "fair share"?

    "Total National Assets" are $92 trillion = $233 thousand per citizen.

    There's much more at the debt clock - fascinating indeed.

    These burdens are those claimed by this Government to be your responsibility, even tho you never agreed to one penny of that. Government has bankrupted not only itself, but YOU!

    Time to become a NON-Taxpayer, is it not? You will be needing every ounce of your assets to survive what's coming. No new taxes, and no old taxes either! It's that, or don't survive.

    Go ahead and vote for RINO progressive more-of-the-same Romney and beg him to save you!
  • wtw 2012/08/18 18:21:31
    wtw
    +1
    I am all for taxing the rich more by cutting the loopholes for everyone--we need a flat tax. The biggest problem for government is overspending and Neither Obama or romney address that well--In the long run I bet more on Romney because dems have the worst record for cutting spending!
  • Bob S wtw 2012/08/18 19:29:40 (edited)
    Bob S
    +3
    I know Obama is not facing up to the spending he has done and will continue to do if not stopped. I too will side with Romney as he has a record to stand on and not just a neigborhood organizer. We all went into 2008 and were seduced by the image that he portrayed.
  • RJ~PWCM~JLA 2012/08/18 18:07:29
    RJ~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    Likewise, most people jump for joy when they get a "tax refund."

    What that REALLY means is that the government took & held more of your money than it was legally entitled to for most of the year, and then got around to giving it back to you after you filed a lot of paperwork to get it back. BFD.
  • Adakin Valorem 2012/08/18 17:44:39
    Adakin Valorem
    +5
    WIA, your post points out how much American taxpayers are shelling out NOW. But readers need to see what Barry has in store for us on January 1, 2013...just four months from now... see http://www.sodahead.com/livin...

    People have no clue how much tax they pay because their money is confiscated from them before they ever see one dime of their earnings. The gov't gets paid, before you can put one crumb of food in your baby's mouth, before you can put clothes on her back or a roof over your family's head. The Plantation Massah get's PAID FIRST!

    If you ask someone what they make, their answer is "I TAKE HOME $XXX each week"... most folks cannot tell you what they really earn, because upwards of 1/3 of it is removed before they ever see it.

    BTW, Rasmussen's hypothetical $60,000 income earner, if SELF-employed is paying $9,180 in employment tax instead of the $4,590 figure posted. The gov't doesn't want you to actually WORK FOR YOURSELF. They need you to be "selling your labor" to someone else at a wholesale price instead of letting you earn the retail value of your services.

    All the more reason to scrap the entire tax code and replace it with The FairTax (noun, not verb) The FairTax is an existing bill in congress, HR-25/S-13. It has over six dozen cosponsors in t...




    WIA, your post points out how much American taxpayers are shelling out NOW. But readers need to see what Barry has in store for us on January 1, 2013...just four months from now... see http://www.sodahead.com/livin...

    People have no clue how much tax they pay because their money is confiscated from them before they ever see one dime of their earnings. The gov't gets paid, before you can put one crumb of food in your baby's mouth, before you can put clothes on her back or a roof over your family's head. The Plantation Massah get's PAID FIRST!

    If you ask someone what they make, their answer is "I TAKE HOME $XXX each week"... most folks cannot tell you what they really earn, because upwards of 1/3 of it is removed before they ever see it.

    BTW, Rasmussen's hypothetical $60,000 income earner, if SELF-employed is paying $9,180 in employment tax instead of the $4,590 figure posted. The gov't doesn't want you to actually WORK FOR YOURSELF. They need you to be "selling your labor" to someone else at a wholesale price instead of letting you earn the retail value of your services.

    All the more reason to scrap the entire tax code and replace it with The FairTax (noun, not verb) The FairTax is an existing bill in congress, HR-25/S-13. It has over six dozen cosponsors in the house and senate. It's different in that the FairTax, is based on 'consumption' and not on 'income or asset' acrual. YOU choose what you spend your money on, as such, you would choose when you pay taxes.

    With an income tax, your money is SEIZED!
    With the FairTax, your money is PAID when you choose to buy something and you know UP FRONT what the price is before you pull the purchase trigger.

    For info see http://www.fairtax.org/site/P...
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  • WhereIs... Adakin ... 2012/08/20 00:07:18
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    I completely agree.
  • JMCC 2012/08/18 17:14:26
    JMCC
    +3
    Just as they underestimate the amount of money lost to tax avoidance and tax havens by corporations and private individuals.
  • WhereIs... JMCC 2012/08/18 17:21:40
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +6
    My point is hard working Americans already pay ENOUGH in taxes. I did not start this topic to discuss your point, and I think you are just trying to distract from my point, so you must be a Liberal.
  • JMCC WhereIs... 2012/08/18 17:50:17 (edited)
    JMCC
    +3
    Sorry not a Liberal - I am a nonpartisan scientist and analyst, and thought that my remark was pertinent because if there was less tax avoidance then it stands to reason that the tax burden would be less...
  • UGH...L... JMCC 2012/08/18 18:18:24 (edited)
    UGH...LIBS ~ PWCM ~ JLA ~
    +4
    The tax burden would also be less if there were less government spending.

    As a nonpartisan scientist and analyst, what do you estimate the optimum level of government spending (as a percentage of GDP) should be? Forty per cent, as it is now in the US? 60%? 80%? (Hint: it can't go above 100%, because then no one, not even China, would lend the US more money.) See graph below, showing rise of govt (federal state local) spending as a fraction of GDP.

    spending
  • JMCC UGH...L... 2012/08/18 18:30:45
    JMCC
    +3
    Agreed - less spending is an important part, yet where the cuts are made are absolutely critical.

    What is happening has not really ever happened before - global financial crisis.

    The goals are to plug the flow of money out of the country whilst at the same time keep the economy turning over.

    If you starve consumers in a consumer society of cash then the whole thing seizes up - whilst money floods from the economy.

    If the government makes slashing cuts, the borrowing cost stays low (as in the UK), but also their revenue goes down because of the smaller turnover.

    This implies that the priorities are to make prudent cuts, whilst plugging the holes, equally if no investment is made at grass root level to stimulate SME's then inflation sets in as there is nothing to close the trade gap...

    If it were as simple as making cuts, there would not be now $Millions in prize money to any who can come up with a solution to the debt crisis.
  • UGH...L... JMCC 2012/08/18 18:54:05
    UGH...LIBS ~ PWCM ~ JLA ~
    +2
    Unfortunately, we are witnessing the results of many decades of politicians making promises that can't be kept in the long term. (A lot they cared, so long as they could stay in office.)
  • JMCC UGH...L... 2012/08/18 18:54:54
    JMCC
    +2
    I completely agree.
  • WhereIs... JMCC 2012/08/20 00:13:39
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Ok, so how do you get them to plug the holes? From my vantage point, they are not "repair men", they are only good at making more holes.
  • JMCC WhereIs... 2012/08/20 00:18:08
    JMCC
    +1
    And there is the problem, as it is not in the best interests for the only people who are in the position to do so.

    One solution would be to force the tax havens not to provide banking services to nonresident noncitizens under the threat of boycott and embargo...
  • WhereIs... UGH...L... 2012/08/20 00:10:23
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Exactly.
  • WhereIs... JMCC 2012/08/20 00:09:37 (edited)
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    Ok, I apologize for the Liberal remark.
  • JMCC WhereIs... 2012/08/20 00:12:49
    JMCC
    +1
    Corporate and personal tax evasion has been estimated to be as high as $2 trillion through the analysis of revenue streams, but is nigh on impossible to prove definitively.

    Even if it is a quarter of that, it is still a substantial sum...
  • WhereIs... JMCC 2012/08/20 23:00:49 (edited)
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    I have been paying through the nose all my life, and they should have to pay as well. There does not seem to be much outrage over companies like GE though, but there is substantial outrage over the supposed 1%, and to me that is just BS class warfare babble, there is no one group that can be condemned as a whole.

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