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Most Americans say the rich don't pay enough taxes; Envy works?

Quietman ~PWCM~JLA 2012/08/28 16:29:57
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The poll released Monday by the Pew Research Center points to a particular challenge for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, whose party's policies are viewed by a wide majority as favoring the rich over the middle class and poor.


The poll found that many Americans believe rich people to be intelligent and hardworking but also greedy and less honest than the average American. Nearly six in 10, or 58 percent, say the rich don't pay enough in taxes, while 26 percent believe the rich pay their fair share and 8 percent say they pay too much.

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  • Always Right 2012/08/29 18:17:40
    Yes
    Always Right
    +1
    Envy works, people are jealous of others hard work or good fortune and willing to vote to get their share.
  • Quietma... Always ... 2012/08/29 18:19:14
    Quietman   ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    ''steal' their share'
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/08/29 00:34:53
    No
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +2
    Envy as public policy destroys a society.
  • Louisa - Enemy of the State 2012/08/28 22:12:06
    Undecided
    Louisa - Enemy of the State
    +2
    The rich are operating under the laws and rules of the IRS. The IRS has the ability to audit tax returns. If the rich are not paying their fair share, then the remedy is to pass a law that will make their tax obligation more equitable.

    However, under no circumstances should the money belonging to the 'rich' be considered money 'owed' to the middle class and under!

    I would bet that the very people who are crying about the rich not paying enough taxes would feel very differently if they themselves were 'rich'.

    Everybody thinks they are OWED something by the government, by the wealthy.......what's wrong with Americans! Envy my ass, it's greed and avarice.
  • Ozzyboy 2012/08/28 19:18:08
    Yes
    Ozzyboy
    +1
    They gotta get that class warfare working. But, who believes Pe u anyway? I personally think that no one should get free health care. $10.00 for poor people at least. Free means there is no respect for the service. Politicians should pay for their own health care and be on the new hc plan that just got shoved down our throats. I don't begrudge people that have earned their money but it's kind of backwards when SS is taken off the first $100,000 about. It would be a simple fix to uncap it and pay on it with the extra dollars earned from PA, IRS, TSA and numerous other agencies that are duplication services? How many government workers have been hurt by this economy. Government is only growing bigger and bigger, like Jabba Hut, all the time. Time to get rid of as much as possible.
  • maggiemay 2012/08/28 19:09:27
    Yes
    maggiemay
    +1
    Envy always works.
  • Ambassador II 2012/08/28 19:09:10
    No
    Ambassador II
    I isn't "envy", but the imbalance between those who have greater ability to pay for the privileges that allows them to earn their large incomes and those who are not so privileged. The wealthy pay less than 13% of their incomes in FIT. Their gardeners and maids pay that much in SS and Medicare taxes, plus a FIT rate of aboout 23-26%. Corporations pay less than 7% of their earned incomes in FIT, and thousands earn $Billions and pay absolutely no FIT. That is the unfairness of the system of privileges and the Federal Tax Code.
  • Quietma... Ambassa... 2012/08/28 20:25:43
    Quietman   ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Wrong!!!!! SS tax is 6.2% & medicare is 1.45% for a total of 7.65% and the 'wealthy' also pay that on their first $110,100 of earnings. Instead of looking like the ignorant Lib you are all you had to do was spend 10 seconds on google or bing and you could have the facts!
  • Ambassa... Quietma... 2012/08/29 00:39:05 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    The payroll tax is levied one half on the employee as a deduction (7.65%) and a like amount of SS levied as a tax paid by the employer as a cost of business included in the
    price of whatever goods or services are sold (total, 13.85%), thereby paid by others who are the consumers. As for the "wealthy", 90% of their incomes come from "qualified dividends" and/or "capital gains", maximum tax 15%, less whatever is not taxed, such as interest on Federal debts and earnings in offshore accounts and investments in "other countries". The IRS says the average is 13%, which is exactly what Mitten says he paid in 2010, and whatever is before is a "secret" between him and "God".
  • Quietma... Ambassa... 2012/08/29 15:30:39
    Quietman   ~PWCM~JLA
    The portion that the employee pays is what I stated so you are wrong. The business also gets to write off it's porttion so you are worng again. Now, don't go away mad just go away!
  • Ambassa... Quietma... 2012/08/29 19:02:23 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    Uninformed sorts fail to realize that the entire 13.85% of payroll tax is paid for by those who consume the goods and services of the nation. All of that is a "cost" of doing business, part of the sale price of goods. Then, the employee is subjected to a FIT of 10-26% of their earnings, making a total tax burden upon their labors of 24-40%. That is what the middle class bears, as employees and consumers.

    What the wealthy who don't have "earned income" from wages pay is the 13% on just that portion earned in the U.S., not from Federal interests on Treasuries, and not from "offshore" accounts not taxed at all, or "qualified dividends" taxed at less than 15%. That is the scheme that enables the "Top 2% Club" to triple their share of the Nation's wealth between the years 1981 and 2010, while the remaining 98% of citizens saw their share of the wealth decrease by HALF.... 50% for whites, 60% for minorities.

    You can spin, run, and hide. But, if you stop to face the facts of what that scheme called "Reaganomics" did to the nation, you just have to cover your face in shame and hope for something better for the nation.
  • Quietma... Ambassa... 2012/08/29 20:53:27
    Quietman   ~PWCM~JLA
    Grow up and deal with reality:

    Some argue that these observations are misleading because there are other federal taxes the bottom 50 percenters pay such as Social Security and excise taxes. Moore presents data from the Tax Policy Center, run by the liberal Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, that takes into account payroll and income taxes paid by different income groups. Because of the earned income tax credit, most of America's poor pay little or nothing. What the Tax Policy Center calls working class pay 3 percent of all federal taxes, middle class 11 percent, upper middle class 19 percent and wealthy 67 percent.

    President Obama and the Democratic Party harp about tax fairness. Here's my fairness question to you: What standard of fairness dictates that the top 10 percent of income earners pay 71 percent of the federal income tax burden while 47 percent of Americans pay absolutely nothing?

    President Obama and his political allies are fully aware of IRS data that shows who pays what. Their tax demagoguery knowingly exploits American ignorance about taxes. A complicit news media is only happy to assist. We might ask ourselves what's to be said about the decency of people who knowingly mislead the public about taxes. Of course, I might be all wrong, and true ta...





    Grow up and deal with reality:

    Some argue that these observations are misleading because there are other federal taxes the bottom 50 percenters pay such as Social Security and excise taxes. Moore presents data from the Tax Policy Center, run by the liberal Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, that takes into account payroll and income taxes paid by different income groups. Because of the earned income tax credit, most of America's poor pay little or nothing. What the Tax Policy Center calls working class pay 3 percent of all federal taxes, middle class 11 percent, upper middle class 19 percent and wealthy 67 percent.

    President Obama and the Democratic Party harp about tax fairness. Here's my fairness question to you: What standard of fairness dictates that the top 10 percent of income earners pay 71 percent of the federal income tax burden while 47 percent of Americans pay absolutely nothing?

    President Obama and his political allies are fully aware of IRS data that shows who pays what. Their tax demagoguery knowingly exploits American ignorance about taxes. A complicit news media is only happy to assist. We might ask ourselves what's to be said about the decency of people who knowingly mislead the public about taxes. Of course, I might be all wrong, and true tax fairness dictates that the top 10 percent pay all federal income taxes.

    Aside from the fairness issue, 47 percent of taxpayers having no federal income tax liability is dangerous for our nation. These people become natural constituents for big-spending, budget-wrecking, debt-creating politicians. After all, if you have no income tax liability, what do you care about either raising or lowering taxes? That might explain why the so-called Bush tax cuts were not more popular. If you're not paying income taxes, why should you be happy about an income tax cut? Instead, you might view tax cuts as a threat to various handout programs that nearly 50 percent of Americans enjoy.

    Tax demagoguery is useful for politicians who prey on the politics of envy to get re-elected, but is it good for Americans?

    http://townhall.com/columnist...
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  • Ambassa... Quietma... 2012/08/29 21:19:21
    Ambassador II
    The "Top 2% Club" have about 80% of the nation's wealth in their posession, and probably more if the "offshore" assets could be counted. They claim as "profits" more than all the reminder of the citizens earn each year. Every consumer pays a portion of their incomes each time they make a purchase of anything. In the big picture, every bit of the income of the "Top 2% Club" is from the pockets of the 98% who buy bread, shoes, bacon, computers, anything at all. Whether collected directly from the workers as a tax, or collected as "profits" by Apple Corp., it all comes from the purchases of those who work for a living.

    So, having 80% of all the wealth and at least an equal amount of the "profits" of the economy, they have negotiated themselves into a FIT tax rate of 13% on the earnings reported as originating within the borders, and no tax at all on the earnings from foreign investments and offshore accounts. Little wonder they invest in China and leave the money and profits outside the borders of the country that provides them with such an opportunity, financing, and security for their sorry and ungrateful asses. The workers pay
    twice that percentage in direct taxes, and provide most of the income to the "Top 2%", including the taxes they pay.

    In my professional career I'...


    The "Top 2% Club" have about 80% of the nation's wealth in their posession, and probably more if the "offshore" assets could be counted. They claim as "profits" more than all the reminder of the citizens earn each year. Every consumer pays a portion of their incomes each time they make a purchase of anything. In the big picture, every bit of the income of the "Top 2% Club" is from the pockets of the 98% who buy bread, shoes, bacon, computers, anything at all. Whether collected directly from the workers as a tax, or collected as "profits" by Apple Corp., it all comes from the purchases of those who work for a living.

    So, having 80% of all the wealth and at least an equal amount of the "profits" of the economy, they have negotiated themselves into a FIT tax rate of 13% on the earnings reported as originating within the borders, and no tax at all on the earnings from foreign investments and offshore accounts. Little wonder they invest in China and leave the money and profits outside the borders of the country that provides them with such an opportunity, financing, and security for their sorry and ungrateful asses. The workers pay
    twice that percentage in direct taxes, and provide most of the income to the "Top 2%", including the taxes they pay.

    In my professional career I've encountered some extremely wealthy people and computed their FIT liabilities. I can remember only two or three (John Birch Society members and a couple of California's bleating "Conservatives") who complained about their contributions to the system, even when the highest marginal tax rate was 92% and the FIT paid averaged about 60%. Then, along came the Reagan Administration and began the story that "Government is the enemy", and all has been downhill and divisional since then. Most who consider how lucky they are to have more income than they can possibly spend do not whine and moan over sharing a greater portion of the burdens than those who live from paycheck to paycheck and
    barely meet their needs.

    As for the 47% who pay no taxes, that is a RWNJ stat quoted to fool the non-thinkers. They count the elderly and retired, nursing home patients, prisoners, children, babies, and the hopelessly handicapped, seriously ill, and even the offspring of the wealthy who are not "taxpayers" on their own.
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  • Quietma... Ambassa... 2012/08/29 21:21:31
    Quietman   ~PWCM~JLA
    You're wasting your time writing that tripe so as I stated earlier, don't go away mad just GO AWAY!
  • Ambassa... Quietma... 2012/08/29 21:24:18
    Ambassador II
    Even if you live in a state of ignorance and denial, some may read my comments and understand better what has happened to their wealth and caused the problems we face today. Not everyone refuses to learn.
  • Quietma... Ambassa... 2012/08/29 21:36:45
    Quietman   ~PWCM~JLA
    Well at least they'll have my reality posts to see and hopefully ignore your BS!!!
  • goatman112003 2012/08/28 19:00:35
    Yes
    goatman112003
    +2
    Of course it does. It passes the blame for poor choices to someone else.. It makes stealing legal. I can't steal the man's money but the government can.
  • Ambassa... goatman... 2012/08/28 19:10:57
    Ambassador II
    You need to become a stock broker or "fund manager", where you can earn bonuses of $Millions for stealing "the man's money". You are just in the wrong job.
  • goatman... Ambassa... 2012/08/28 19:34:55
    goatman112003
    +1
    Casinos and Stock Brokers always make money as whether you win or lose they get paid..
  • Ambassa... goatman... 2012/08/28 20:08:18
    Ambassador II
    +1
    That's the system. Did you read the news that the lead underwriter of the "Facebook" IPO took more than $200 MIllion in fees from the initial offering, has options on millions of shares at pennies per share, and sold the initial shares to Mutual funds and retirement fund managers within their own organization? In that way they shifted all the losses onto the innocents who have funds invested with them. It is more than probable that they also retained "options" to repurchase the shares at a fixed price in case they might have increased. In total, all the brokerages took fees of nearly
    $One Billion from this single IPO, without any risk, and without caring that it was just a clever fraud. That is the system.
  • Kat 2012/08/28 18:28:20
    Yes
    Kat
    +2
    They envy everyone with anything
  • Allbiz - PWCM - JLA 2012/08/28 18:11:43
    No
    Allbiz - PWCM - JLA
    +1
    Pew Research Center is part of Pew Public Policy which has its headquaters deeply ensconsed in the pockets of the liberals. Whenever Pew does a poll or a survey, they always survey 25% - 35% more liberals than they do other groups in order to produce a result favorable to their preference.

    In other words, that's bullcrap.
  • No nonsense NanC...don't BS... 2012/08/28 17:52:37
    Yes
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    +2
    It seems to work for 0bama, but many of his supporters are already on the
    21st Century Plantation, and of course, they would like even more from the
    public coffers.
  • Rust 2012/08/28 16:35:17

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