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Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA 2012/03/04 19:33:08


Howard Fischer Capitol Media Services PHOENIX - Just when it seemed the Barack Obama citizenship flap had faded into the background, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has turned the spotlight back on.


On Thursday Arpaio charged the birth certificate Obama says proves he is a U.S. citizen is a fraud, contending a forensic examination of the electronic document posted last year by the White House proves that it was not simply scanned into a file but actually put together in several pieces.


Mike Zullo, head of the sheriff's Cold Case Posse who headed the investigation, said the inconsistencies in the document cannot be explained away by claims it was optimized or had been scanned with optical character-recognition software.


Zullo also said a separate examination proves Obama's 1980 Selective Service registration also is a fake.


The White House, which thought the issue had been put to sleep with the posting of the birth certificate, had no comment.


While saying the evidence proves that a crime was committed, Arpaio was careful not to implicate the president.


"I'm not accusing anyone of anything until we find out who may have committed these alleged crimes over this birth certificate and the Selective Service card," Arpaio said.


Arpaio brushed aside a question of why he was able to find such evidence when no one else in the country has. The sheriff said he probably was the only one who bothered to investigate in detail.


Zullo also said the fact the Honolulu newspaper had a birth announcement at the time proves nothing, saying the newspaper accepted such messages without requiring proof the person actually had been born in the state.


And Zullo insisted Arpaio has jurisdiction.


He said the electronic document put up online by the White House "was a representation made to the people of Maricopa County," he said. "You fraud one person in Maricopa County with that, you fraud every person in Maricopa County."


Zullo stressed, though, "we are not accusing Mr. Obama of creating this document."


"At this juncture, we have advised Sheriff Arpaio we believe there should be a full-blown criminal investigation because a fraud has been committed in Maricopa County and the state of Arizona," Zullo said. "The document is fake. The representations, therefore, are fake."


Arpaio said the investigation was not designed to divert attention from the Justice Department investigation into allegations of racial profiling by his deputies.


It was started before he was notified he was under investigation, Arpaio said.



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  • Tea in the Harbor 2012/03/04 20:12:18
    Tea in the Harbor
    +12
    Joe didn't announce any charges did he? If he believes fraud has been committed he has a responsibility to arrest the perpetrator of that fraud.

    Is he going to treat this like he does the hundreds of minority rape cases he doesn't bother to investigate?

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  • Wilde~MoonChild ™ 2012/03/07 05:59:05
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
    +1
    Its like "Groundhog Day' with these idiots.
  • Jasmine 2012/03/07 05:25:41
  • Orangedragan 2012/03/07 01:04:17
  • seattleman 2012/03/07 00:52:30
  • shadowmoon 2012/03/06 22:46:25
    shadowmoon
    +4
    Are you kidding me? This is why I am occasionally embarrassed to live in Phoenix.

    This and Jan Brewer.
  • scbluesman13 2012/03/06 22:13:29
    scbluesman13
    +4
    More delusional nonsense from the idiot, racist birther crowd.
  • lurx: the soda jerk 2012/03/06 21:42:55
    lurx: the soda jerk
    +4
    ...birthers are funny.
  • bigfoot 2012/03/06 21:25:29
    bigfoot
    +1
    I am so happy someone doctored O's birth certificate.can you imagine if we had anyone of these native born RWNJs as Pres? I have called Putkin just in case O has to be replaced.he'll know how to dispose of the RWNJs.
  • Grandbrother 2012/03/06 19:57:18 (edited)
    Grandbrother
    +6
    Oh good. More inanity from the liars and/or bigots and/or idiots that constitute the birther movement.
  • mich52 2012/03/06 19:53:22 (edited)
  • Adakin ... mich52 2012/03/06 20:08:53 (edited)
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    Okay, yes we can all agree that the Sheriff is a political figure with folks that object to his methods and outspoken positions.

    == == ==
    So back on topic please! Given Sheriff Joe's political "baggage" can you explain how he should have differently approached the issue when a petition is filed asking his office to investigate the internet BC question? What SHOULD he have done differently that what was portrayed in the videos?

    Can I assume that you've actually watched the video presentation?

    http://www.westernjournalism....

    Or am I dealing with someone that makes rash assumptions and did not see what the group of retired investigators, the group of attorneys and the county's prosecutor’s staff have vetted and approved for public release?

    If you have chosen not to watch the videos, then I need to simply let you speculate on your own without further discussion.
  • mich52 Adakin ... 2012/03/06 21:32:33
  • **StarzAbove** 2012/03/06 19:43:50
    **StarzAbove**
    +2
    This jerk needs to be taking care of serious offenses instead of making up silly stuff like this. He's really showing his ignorance on this one.
  • Adakin ... **Starz... 2012/03/06 20:17:15
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    So how many cops did he pull off of "serious offenses" to work on this case?
  • gfreeman BN-0 2012/03/06 19:43:05
    gfreeman BN-0
    +2
    I sure the people of Maricopa county appreciate Sheriff Joe wasting their hard earned money like this.
  • Adakin ... gfreema... 2012/03/06 20:10:38 (edited)
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    How much of their tax money did he waste?
  • gfreema... Adakin ... 2012/03/06 20:48:37
    gfreeman BN-0
    +1
    If he wasted a dollar on this, it was too much.
  • Adakin ... gfreema... 2012/03/06 21:01:03
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    GFreeman, that was my point... he didn't spend any tax money.

    The "Cold Case Posse" is an existing team of retired cops & lawyers that have volunteered to provide their services pro-bono to the county on cases that management (i.e. the Sheriff) thinks is too nutty to pursue with active duty tax paid staff. Arpaio asked them if they were interested in looking into this case when a group of 250 county residence submitted a petition demanding that the sheriff investigate the issue.

    They look at dozens of cases each year that various citizens ask the county cops to look at but don't have enough evidence to warrant active duty police to pursue.

    Once in a while they come up with something that they really think is viable, in which case they take their findings to the DA/Prosecutor’s office for a legal opinion.

    If the legal folks vet the information, only then is it deemed "Probable Cause" for an actual criminal investigation.

    And that's where the current case is now. The data produced by the cold case squad of volunteers has produced sufficient evidence that the legal staff says they suspect a crime has been committed.
  • Hanna Adakin ... 2012/03/07 01:09:59
    Hanna
    +3
    Not only is Arpaio a racist; he's a stupid birther.
  • gfreema... Adakin ... 2012/03/07 17:00:42
    gfreeman BN-0
    Yes he did, if he spent anytime with these people, that's the tax payers time because he's paid with tax payer money.
  • Adakin ... gfreema... 2012/03/07 21:12:51
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    So you feel that an elected official is not supposed to "spent anytime with these people" that live and vote in the county in which he was elected? Is that the same standard that you hold your local county officials in NC to?
  • gfreema... Adakin ... 2012/03/08 13:33:20 (edited)
    gfreeman BN-0
    No, he shouldn't be spending time, taxpayer money, on fruitless matters. He's a local sheriff, not the FBI.

    Yes, it would be the same standard I would hold my local county officials to.
  • Adakin ... gfreema... 2012/03/08 15:56:16
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    Good!

    Because you, me and Sheriff Joe Arpaio ALL feel the same way...

    That's why Arpaio created the "Cold Case Posse back in the early 1990s when he first got elected.

    Whenever his constituents would ask him to investigate something that he thought might be a little bit nutty weird, strange, or at least, outside of the purview of what he thought the sheriff's department should be looking into, he would ask his volunteer staffed and donation funded "Cold Case Posse" look into the matter.

    The only thing that Arpaio's department would do is allow the retired LEOs in the "Posse" to use the credentials of the department to get information from other agencies, other sources, etc. under the authority of their acting as unpaid deputies. Each of these volunteers was retired Law Enforcement Officers (LEO), detectives and/or attorneys. They would agree or disagree to investigate whatever issue that the Sheriff said that one or more citizens had asked the dept to look into.

    In this case, the local Tea Party group presented the sheriff with a petition signed by over 250 county residents asking Arpaio to investigate the internet BC telling the sheriff that no official law enforcement agency had done that. Arpaio said he would do it only if his Cold Case guys agreed, but not with r...



    Good!

    Because you, me and Sheriff Joe Arpaio ALL feel the same way...

    That's why Arpaio created the "Cold Case Posse back in the early 1990s when he first got elected.

    Whenever his constituents would ask him to investigate something that he thought might be a little bit nutty weird, strange, or at least, outside of the purview of what he thought the sheriff's department should be looking into, he would ask his volunteer staffed and donation funded "Cold Case Posse" look into the matter.

    The only thing that Arpaio's department would do is allow the retired LEOs in the "Posse" to use the credentials of the department to get information from other agencies, other sources, etc. under the authority of their acting as unpaid deputies. Each of these volunteers was retired Law Enforcement Officers (LEO), detectives and/or attorneys. They would agree or disagree to investigate whatever issue that the Sheriff said that one or more citizens had asked the dept to look into.

    In this case, the local Tea Party group presented the sheriff with a petition signed by over 250 county residents asking Arpaio to investigate the internet BC telling the sheriff that no official law enforcement agency had done that. Arpaio said he would do it only if his Cold Case guys agreed, but not with resources of the tax paid PD.

    Bottom line, Arpaio did EXACTLY what you say you would hold your own local LEO's to do.

    http://www.azcentral.com/ariz...
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  • gfreema... Adakin ... 2012/03/08 18:04:34
    gfreeman BN-0
    If your constituents are asking you to look into 'nutty, weird or strange things', then I would want my elected official to ignore those people.
  • Adakin ... gfreema... 2012/03/08 20:04:29
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    Yes, you would want your official to ignore THEM.. but what if the "nutty' person asking for something was YOU. What if you had a pet pieve that you thought needed investigating by the cops? What if you had even paid out of your pocket to have your pet project investigated, and the experts you hired said that you were right, and then the courts said your "experts" were not certified and wouldn't recognise their findings? Put yourself in the shoes of the nutty people! Sheriff Arpaio's volunteer "Posse" is the perfect way to placate the vocal nutjobs in your community while still serving the people that pay you... the county taxpayers.

    Look at it this way. If YOU had asked your sheriff to look into something and he/she brushed you off, claiming you were a nutjob and looney, wouldn't you want to have an op/end letter in your local paper the next day telling the world how your elected official told you to take a hike? Sure you would!

    With his Cold Case Posse, when a group of them ask him to do something, he can quietly have the volunteers do what they are asked and when they find nothing... when they find that the President's documents check out okay, Old Joe simply goes to them and shows them the findings and tells them that the birth certificate checked out. And that's what ...





    Yes, you would want your official to ignore THEM.. but what if the "nutty' person asking for something was YOU. What if you had a pet pieve that you thought needed investigating by the cops? What if you had even paid out of your pocket to have your pet project investigated, and the experts you hired said that you were right, and then the courts said your "experts" were not certified and wouldn't recognise their findings? Put yourself in the shoes of the nutty people! Sheriff Arpaio's volunteer "Posse" is the perfect way to placate the vocal nutjobs in your community while still serving the people that pay you... the county taxpayers.

    Look at it this way. If YOU had asked your sheriff to look into something and he/she brushed you off, claiming you were a nutjob and looney, wouldn't you want to have an op/end letter in your local paper the next day telling the world how your elected official told you to take a hike? Sure you would!

    With his Cold Case Posse, when a group of them ask him to do something, he can quietly have the volunteers do what they are asked and when they find nothing... when they find that the President's documents check out okay, Old Joe simply goes to them and shows them the findings and tells them that the birth certificate checked out. And that's what has gotten him elected over and over and over. Its called constituent service.

    But what would YOU do if out of the blue, your group of retired investigators and attornies and court certified experts actually come up with "the smoking gun"... you know ... evidence that your district attorney says is enough to constitute "Probable Cause"... which under the 4th Amendment is a trigger for authorization of a full blown criminal investigation?

    What would YOU do then? If you were the sheriff? If you ignore it... how many of those folks would know that YOU ignored a crime that they had uncovered and turned your back on it?

    What would you do in that situation? Here's Joe's op/ed in the AZ newspaper: http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
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  • gfreema... Adakin ... 2012/03/08 20:19:05
    gfreeman BN-0
    Pet peeves shouldn't be investigated. Pet peeves are little things that just bug someone, they are against the law.
  • Adakin ... gfreema... 2012/03/12 01:36:02
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    But what would YOU do if out of the blue, your group of retired investigators and attornies and court certified experts actually come up with "the smoking gun"... you know ... evidence that your district attorney says is enough to constitute "Probable Cause"... which under the 4th Amendment is a trigger for authorization of a full blown criminal investigation?
  • Andy gfreema... 2012/03/06 21:19:16
    Andy
    I thought I read he didn't spend tax $$ on this... he has a fund of $$ that he solicited on his own.
  • Adakin ... Andy 2012/03/07 21:14:33
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    What part of "$$ that he solicited on his own" are tax bucks vs voluntary contributions?
  • Andy Adakin ... 2012/03/08 00:08:37 (edited)
    Andy
    Don't know... but he has been quoted as saying that he raised the $$ privately and use no tax $$
  • ProudProgressive 2012/03/06 19:35:02
    ProudProgressive
    +9
    LOL birthers are just too easy to make fun of. Sheriff Joe is panicked that he's only a few steps away from prison himself (and there are HISPANICS in prison and we know how much Sheriff Joe loves hispanics) so now he's simply trying to distract the easily distracted with nonsense that was disproven a year ago.

    Oh well, at least when Sheriff Joe is wasting everyone's time with this nonsense, he's not out harassing and violating the rights of the people he's supposed to be protecting.

    joe wasting everyones nonsense harassing violating rights people supposed protecting
  • Tea in the Harbor 2012/03/04 20:12:18
    Tea in the Harbor
    +12
    Joe didn't announce any charges did he? If he believes fraud has been committed he has a responsibility to arrest the perpetrator of that fraud.

    Is he going to treat this like he does the hundreds of minority rape cases he doesn't bother to investigate?
  • Adakin ... Tea in ... 2012/03/04 22:28:16
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    And he also has the responsibility to provide those that have jurisdiction in other areas such as in other states or with federal law to provide the information to those authorities, which Chief Investigator Mike Zullo has stated was done.

    Also stated was that they know which computer was the one that generated the phony document and that they currently have now moved this case away from the 'cold case' department and on to the criminal investigation unit since they have enough evidence that their legal department says provide sufficient "Probable Cause" for such a criminal investigation.

    Please note Wiki's definition of "probable cause" is a legal term that permits greater investigative authority authorized by the 4th Amendment of the Constitution and it appears that Inspector Zullo is being quite cautious in his department’s investigation.
    == == ==
    Can you provide citation or links to the " hundreds of minority rape cases (Arpaio) doesn't bother to investigate?"
  • Tea in ... Adakin ... 2012/03/05 17:43:44
    Tea in the Harbor
    +9
    There is an FBI investigation going on into the rapes Arpio doesn't want to do his job on.

    The document isn't phoney, documents originating from a valid source, in this case the Hawaiian Dept of Records, are valid. What isn't valid is the sherriff's assuming that he's a higher authority on Hawaiian documents than the Hawaiian government is.

    Birthers are nuts, but they are useful in illustrating the dishonesty and lack of integrity of the right.
  • Adakin ... Tea in ... 2012/03/05 19:51:04
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    It's obvious that you didn't watch the press conference nor have you seen the six video tapes. The sheriff wasn't the one that made the call that the investigation had sufficient evidence for labeling it as sufficient for 'probable cause' that a crime has been committed. What the sheriff DID do was NOT sweep it under the rug as has all preceding inquiries that were made by non-LEO investigations.

    I'm sure that there are numerous issues that Mr. Arpaio has on his table including the FBI investigations, the Justice Dept. investigations, etc, etc. That's why when a group of Maricopa County constituents approached him with a petition signed by over 250 voting residents; he asked an independent group of former investigators and attorneys (nicknamed "Cold Case Posse") to look into the case. This was NOT the first time that these former cops and lawyers have helped out the county in investigating a case that could not warrant the county spending taxpayer money on pursuing. This group has volunteered their time, credentials and expertise in other situations where it was construed as such a 'dead' issue as not to justify the county spending time, money and resources on an investigation. That’s why they were called the “Cold Case Posse.”

    But in this case, the Posse determined there ...









    It's obvious that you didn't watch the press conference nor have you seen the six video tapes. The sheriff wasn't the one that made the call that the investigation had sufficient evidence for labeling it as sufficient for 'probable cause' that a crime has been committed. What the sheriff DID do was NOT sweep it under the rug as has all preceding inquiries that were made by non-LEO investigations.

    I'm sure that there are numerous issues that Mr. Arpaio has on his table including the FBI investigations, the Justice Dept. investigations, etc, etc. That's why when a group of Maricopa County constituents approached him with a petition signed by over 250 voting residents; he asked an independent group of former investigators and attorneys (nicknamed "Cold Case Posse") to look into the case. This was NOT the first time that these former cops and lawyers have helped out the county in investigating a case that could not warrant the county spending taxpayer money on pursuing. This group has volunteered their time, credentials and expertise in other situations where it was construed as such a 'dead' issue as not to justify the county spending time, money and resources on an investigation. That’s why they were called the “Cold Case Posse.”

    But in this case, the Posse determined there WAS enough evidence to provide 'reasonable doubt' that the LFBC was genuine.

    From there, the Posse took their evidence and suspicions to the county's legal advisors for a 2nd opinion and review of the allegations that the Posse had discovered. With the blessing of the legal dept., the matter was only then brought to Sheriff Arpaio who in turn, has brought this matter to the public's attention since all across the nation, various state ballot access authorities are filing the DNC's request for their guy to be on their respective state ballots.

    How do you think you would feel if you were Deputy Chief Judge Michael Malihi right now and just two weeks after using the very document that supported your endorsement of Obama’s eligibility, you are told that a police investigation has debunked its content and has shown the LFBC to be a computer generated fabrication?

    Mahili’s justification was that the “computer experts” in HIS court were not really experts as they were not certified. Now that the ‘certified experts’ used by the Posse… people that have a long history of court testimony in various states that recognized their skills, knowledge and abilities sufficient enough to be used by various police departments throughout the southwest have come up with the same conclusion that Judge Mahili chose to ignore, I just wonder what Mr. Mahili is thinking right now. Or what the Georgia Sec-State is thinking right now after having trusted in Mahili’s 10 page ruling that stated that Mahili “heard arguments” of the case… when only one party actually presented an argument, presenting effectively the same evidentiary documentation that the folks in AZ found.

    Yeah, I’m looking forward to seeing how a Georgia judicial appeal will shake out now that the Posse’s data is in the public domain.
    Oh, you might be interested in the part where Detective Zullo stated that the records for all inbound flight manifests for the year before and after Obama’s birth were examined and the only data missing was the week that Barry was allegedly born.
    Watch the videos... or continue drinking the Kool-aide… your choice.
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  • Tea in ... Adakin ... 2012/03/05 19:53:13
    Tea in the Harbor
    +8
    Arpio is a fascist with a lust for publicity. There's nothing more to it than that.
  • Adakin ... Tea in ... 2012/03/05 20:31:25
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    TeaHarbor: "Arpio is a fascist with a lust for publicity" Ah good...your choice is to continue drinking the Kool-aide! But you are right in that the opinions of the Sheriff and his alleged political baggage are irrelevant to the discussion of the credibility of the fabricated BC document.

    So back to the topic... How do you think you would feel if you were Deputy Chief Judge Michael Malihi right now and you were reviewing the work that Zullo, the two other investigators, two attorneys, the court certified computer geeks, and the vetting done by the county's legal staff?

    Inquiring minds want to know :-)
  • Tea in ... Adakin ... 2012/03/06 17:08:52
    Tea in the Harbor
    +7
    I'd probably say "Oh look, more unspecified allegations from an incompetent investigating team. They're flapping their gums but not charging anyone with anything. It must suck to loook high and low and still not be able to find facts to back your beliefs."

    It's like the boy who cried wolf, when the same people keep saying the same thing and time after time it's proven to be untrue, eventually you just become meaningless background noise.
  • Adakin ... Tea in ... 2012/03/06 18:57:27
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    Time after time? Does that mean this has been before?

    Are you saying that a law enforcement forensic analysis team, court certified forensic computer & electronic data storage experts have previously investigated this issue and had their findings & conclusion vetted by the legal staff of a county prosecutor’s office?

    Really? Hmmm... Time after Time? Proven untrue? (Citation please)

    In both this video and in the written testimony presented to Georgia's Judge Malihi, no such investigation has ever been performed by an official law enforcement investigative team. The only investigations performed have been by civilian and private investigators that were not authorized or certified by any officer of the court. As such each of these numerous attempts to testify were blocked by the WH instructing the judge that based on lack of standing, the plaintiffs application was unfounded.

    Only in Malihi's court was such testimony permitted to proceed. And even Malihi's court was requested by the WH to not hear the case.

    But Malihi's decision was to proceed was based on GA law that says that any GA voter has standing. And as we all know now, his subsequent ruling was based on that the claim that he didn't recognize the certification and expertise of the computer experts that were witne...
















    Time after time? Does that mean this has been before?

    Are you saying that a law enforcement forensic analysis team, court certified forensic computer & electronic data storage experts have previously investigated this issue and had their findings & conclusion vetted by the legal staff of a county prosecutor’s office?

    Really? Hmmm... Time after Time? Proven untrue? (Citation please)

    In both this video and in the written testimony presented to Georgia's Judge Malihi, no such investigation has ever been performed by an official law enforcement investigative team. The only investigations performed have been by civilian and private investigators that were not authorized or certified by any officer of the court. As such each of these numerous attempts to testify were blocked by the WH instructing the judge that based on lack of standing, the plaintiffs application was unfounded.

    Only in Malihi's court was such testimony permitted to proceed. And even Malihi's court was requested by the WH to not hear the case.

    But Malihi's decision was to proceed was based on GA law that says that any GA voter has standing. And as we all know now, his subsequent ruling was based on that the claim that he didn't recognize the certification and expertise of the computer experts that were witnesses in his court.

    And that was the reason why I asked you my "What if..." question to you, because now there IS court certified computer expert testimony claiming that the document is a fraud. (click here)

    http://www.westernjournalism....

    Watch the six 2min. videos on the process that the three former police detectives, the two retired attorneys, and their computer experts did to gleen the evidence that was then presented, vetted and approved by the Maricopa County Prosecutors office. When you are finished, please let me know if your basis is for presuming that these folks are just "flapping their gums" is still a valid assumption on your part.

    REGARDING: Making any arrests - As explained in the presentation, the "Cold Case Posse's" authority to proceed was restricted by the fact that they were a volunteer organization operating without the funding of the taxpayer. Once this group of retired investigators discovered what they felt was the forensic "smoking gun" within the internet document, they immediately went to the county's legal staff in the prosecutor's office where in it became the opinion of the county prosecutor that the investigators had uncovered sufficient
    "probable cause" to believe that a crime has been committed.

    That's all that was presented and that's all that was claimed here by the Cold Case team.

    None of these retired investigators have the authority to make any arrests, although they did indicate that they have enough data to they know which computer created the alleged birth certificate, but don't know who was sitting at that computer at the time when the alleged BC was fabricated.

    Again, please watching their presentation, please let us know if you still feel that these are still just "more unspecified allegations from an incompetent investigating team"

    Thanks! AV
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  • Tea in ... Adakin ... 2012/03/06 19:26:14
    Tea in the Harbor
    +9
    The nuttiest of the right have been blabbering about this for years now, but the facts haven't changed. The issuing agency has repeatedly authenticated the BCs Obama has offered and that is the bottom line from a legal perspective.

    Sherriff Joe might think he's more impressive than Corsi, Taint, Trump, and the parade of mental midgets claiming to have investigated the issue, but in the end he has nothing but the same baseless accusations and the same tired boy crying wolf argument. He also has the same lack of results, because the facts simply don't bear out the allegations.

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