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Moderate Muslims Chasing Militia Groups Out By Force! Let's give them a big rave and a round of applause!

foxhound BN0 2012/09/22 11:14:53
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BENGHAZI, Libya — Thousands of Libyans marched through Benghazi on Friday to demand the dismantlement of the hundreds of armed militias that have ruled the country’s streets since a revolution ended the 42-year rule of Moammar Khadafy. By late Friday, the protesters had overrun at least three militia bases, forcing fighters to flee with their guns.
An attack on the US Consulate last week that left four Americans dead has prompted anger and soul-searching among many of Benghazi’s residents, who believe that religious extremists operating in an atmosphere of weak central governance were behind the attack.
But the government in Tripoli has struggled to deal with the militias, which are composed largely of the young men who fought in last year’s revolution. The government’s efforts to bring some of the militias under a more unified national force have failed to deliver state-run security to Libya’s streets.
As protesters draped in the red, black, and green of the Libyan flag carried signs reading ‘‘Benghazi deserves better’’ and ‘‘No legitimacy, except to the police or the army,’’ the Islamist extremist group that many here have accused of being behind the attack held its own protest in nearby Al-Kish Square. Ansar al-Sharia gathered to call for the implementation of Islamic law in a demonstration that the antimilitia crowd said marked a provocation.

The dueling protests underscored a broader struggle underway in Libya, nearly a year after Libyans from across the political spectrum joined hands in an eight-month war to oust Khadafy. It is a battle to define a new Libya — to answer the crucial question of what the Libyan people, government and culture look like when the shackles of dictatorship are thrown off.
‘‘I think the struggle that’s eating people up right now is the struggle for an identity,’’ said Alya Barghathy, an English professor at Benghazi University, who joined the antimilitia protest Friday. ‘‘After all these years of being neglected and living in darkness, they don’t know who they are.’’
The collapse of Khadafy’s regime left a system in a shambles. After decades of repression, the country has lurched forward in recent months to form political parties and elect a General National Congress. The next task will be the drafting of a new constitution.
Opposition to the militias has been building since shortly after Khadafy’s fall. Late last year, non-Tripoli-based militias were asked by the transitional government to withdraw from the streets of the capital after residents complained their neighborhoods had been overrun by young men with guns. A Gallup poll released this month showed that 95 percent of Libyans want to see the militias dissolved. But Friday’s protest was the biggest public showing of antimilitia sentiment to date.
Not all of the militias are rooted in Islamic extremism. But groups like Ansar al-Sharia have proved a volatile addition to an already contentious debate over the proper role of religion in the new Libya.
Many Libyans, ranging from the liberal elites who now dominate the congress to members of the more conservative Muslim Brotherhood, describe their Islam as a moderate and tolerant one. Few — not even Western-educated secularists — say they want a constitution that doesn’t draw from Islamic law.
But the assault on the US consulate here last week, which left the US ambassador dead and which American officials now describe as a terrorist attack, has thrown that characterization into sudden and stark relief: Not everyone agrees on what Islamic law — or a state guided by it — actually means.
‘‘There is no doubt that in our societies, we have liberal Muslims who say ‘I’m a Muslim and I believe Islam belongs only in the mosque,’ ’’ said Ramadan Eldarsi, a high-ranking official of the Muslim Brotherhood. ‘‘But we think that Islam is a broader way to organize people’s lives, not just what they do within a mosque.’’
Eldarsi said the Brotherhood differentiates itself from groups like Ansar al-Sharia in that it advocates peace and tolerance, and believes in the democratic process.
Extremists such as the members of Ansar al-Sharia say they are also ready for a fight for the kind of state they want to see. But it’s the tools of that struggle that the moderates say they’re worried about.
Ansar al-Sharia, which established itself with a parade in Benghazi in June, opposes Libya’s transition to democracy, saying the system of elected leadership runs counter to Islamic principles. It acknowledged its members’ involvement in the protest outside the consulate, but has denied responsibility for the attack.
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  • foxhoun... Mog of War 2012/09/23 01:12:39
  • nbarton2 2012/09/22 17:01:39
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    nbarton2
    +2
    Too bad our President is too busy with Beyonce, Jay-Z and Letterman to support the Libyan Government or Northern Africa in general.
  • cheetahlover156 2012/09/22 16:52:54
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    cheetahlover156
    +3
    Awesome for the chasing them out! I wish more were like that but I understand if they are afraid for their lives.
  • eyes wide open 2012/09/22 16:51:40
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    eyes wide open
    +2
    we as americia should be trying to support ,democracy in libia ,thats what we do .where is this president. empty chair covers it .
  • Ken 2012/09/22 16:48:26
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    Ken
    +2
    Please note that the following uses the language of the Muslim extremists to explain the events which surround Chris Stevens death. While such words are a bit foreign for me, they explain the life and death of Chris Stevens.

    Chris Stevens' death was a loss to America and Libya. As Chris Stevens served the people of Libya and America in life, so he also serves them in death. There is only one God and that God worshiped by Christians and Muslims alike does not permit those who serve his people to die in vain. Unlike the foolish suicide bombers who kill others along with themselves, those who die in God's service, as Ambassador Stevens did, do not die in vain instead as martyrs they change the world. It looks like the death of Chris Stevens will change Libya. And change in Libya may change the Arab world, just as a young man burning himself on the streets of Tripoli initiated a revolt in Libya to initiate the Arab Spring.

    In death, Chris Stevens continued in the footsteps of American martyrs which proceeded...martyrs inspired by the "Battle Hymn of the Republic"....and its words "In the beauty of the lilies, Christ was born across the sea ... as He died to make men holy let us die to make men free." Rest in peace Ambassador Stevens.
  • misterz 2012/09/22 16:17:26
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    misterz
  • John BNO 2012/09/22 16:16:47
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    John BNO
    +5
    I have worked for years with Muslims at various hospitals and have always found them to be the exact opposite of their radical Muslims. They are very caring, honest, family orientated, and compassionate people. They realize and denounce the radicals within their own. The basic difference seems to be that the moderate Muslims are educated and can think and reason for themselves, as the radicals are directed by an extreme leader to promote his empire and riches.
  • Prime T... John BNO 2012/09/22 19:31:36
    Prime Time Lime
    +1
    At last,a reasonable,level headed answer,with personal proof as well.
  • John BNO Prime T... 2012/09/23 23:32:44
    John BNO
    +1
    Thx. I try.
  • Prime T... John BNO 2012/09/23 23:39:47
    Prime Time Lime
    You succeed.
  • trentinafur 2012/09/22 16:09:49
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    trentinafur
    +2
    It's good to see. We can only hope that the "rational majority" will win the day with regard to shutting down the militias, and preventing religious extremism from resulting in future death and mayhem.

    Hey....you could almost say the same for the U.S. these days!
  • foxhoun... trentin... 2012/09/22 16:52:54
  • mich52 2012/09/22 15:43:28
  • Tracie ... mich52 2012/09/22 21:20:56
    Tracie Richards~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    Absolutely! Go Libyan nice normal people! Take back your country! :D
  • Mat 2012/09/22 15:41:37
    There are no moderate Muslims, Obama is a communist, etc.
    Mat
    +2
    Distinguishing between so-called moderates and murduring thugs can be difficult. One moment the person appears normal; the next innocent life is being taken. Remember the Doctor/Major who murdered 13 fellow soldiers. The Koran teaches no self-control where non-Muslims are concerned. Infidels are 'marked' with their idea of the 'Pox' and murder/killing/torture is the order of each day. They murder their own daughters who may appear too westernized or exhibit what the father considers a transgression. Centuries of hatred towards non-Muslims must not be ignored. Look at Europe for a template of Islamic navigation to control the West. America is on that list. No, while I do NOT wish to throw the baby out with the bath water, I shall NEVER again turn my back on a Muslim.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/09/22 14:57:21
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    Lady Whitewolf
    +4
    If this actually be the case, I wish them the best of luck!
  • marcuss LIBERALS ARE TRAITORS 2012/09/22 14:54:44
    There are no moderate Muslims, Obama is a communist, etc.
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE TRAITORS
    +2
    You give CHE options like most LWNJ polls.

    There are moderate Muslims that are doing this but once the radical militant Muslims begin killing their children and family members for doing this it will all revert back.
  • Glfer65 2012/09/22 14:26:53
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    Glfer65
    +5
    If given the chance they can defend themselves and take back the streets. Let them go and do what is needed. If they do ask for assistance I suggest a very close look and review before jumping in.
  • Lady Wh... Glfer65 2012/09/22 14:56:18
    Lady Whitewolf
    +4
    Well said
  • akhippie 2012/09/22 14:24:49
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    akhippie
    +5
    I just read a very long article about that, and I thought "right on", the real masses are rising up against the terrorist fringes. I wish them well and hope they are successful in taking back there cities and returning to a more reasonable life.
  • ur XLNC-PWCM 2012/09/22 14:21:01
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    ur XLNC-PWCM
    +5
    A living, breathing laboratory. We can and should step back and let them have at it. If they ask for help....examine the request carefully, but keep it as a possibility!
  • Doc. J 2012/09/22 14:08:10
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    Doc. J
    +6
    This is very encouraging.
    I'm happy to see it.

    But it will fly about one inch with those who are treating muslims as the new "red scare". Such people NEED a "them" to be against. It's how they define themselves as an "us".
    Some folks.....would rather have an enemy, so this will go unacknowleged.
  • foxhoun... Doc. J 2012/09/22 16:57:06
  • Tracie ... Doc. J 2012/09/22 21:24:27
    Tracie Richards~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    I feel left out. I don't really have a "them". Well, except for mimes. They scare the crap out of me. Creepy buggers.
  • foxhoun... Tracie ... 2012/09/23 01:15:09
  • Tracie ... foxhoun... 2012/09/23 04:22:40
    Tracie Richards~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    YES! Take that! No more will you frighten people looking for a box that isn't there! LEARN THE WORDS DAMN YOU!
  • Rustie 2012/09/22 13:47:04
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    Rustie
    When they begin KILLING militia groups and radical muslims, THEN I'll give them a rave.
  • foxhoun... Rustie 2012/09/22 16:57:50
    foxhound BN0
    +2
    they are fighting unarmed against armed militias and winning. suck on a turd
  • foxhoun... foxhoun... 2012/09/22 16:58:37 (edited)
    foxhound BN0
    +1
    some people will never give the moderates a rave because they're asses.
  • Rustie foxhoun... 2012/09/24 13:57:04
    Rustie
    I've yet to see video of one of their "celebrations" where every hand that can hold one isn't pointing a firearm in the air and wasting bullets.

    The only turd here, is the one between your ears.
  • luvguins 2012/09/22 13:26:52
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    luvguins
    +5
    Extremism here and abroad will always lose.
  • foxhoun... luvguins 2012/09/22 16:59:51
    foxhound BN0
    +2
    That's true. I saw it in 2008 when Obama beat McCain/Derp!
  • Tracie ... luvguins 2012/09/22 21:26:18
    Tracie Richards~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Yes! Go nice moderate people! Fight the crazy extremists!
  • luvguins Tracie ... 2012/09/22 21:36:47
    luvguins
    +1
    Extemists eat themselves up eventually like the GOP has. We don't need more wars.
  • Mark P. 2012/09/22 13:16:59
    There are no moderate Muslims, Obama is a communist, etc.
    Mark P.
    +1
    You mean the ones that are part of Al Quieda?
  • Philo-Publius 2012/09/22 13:00:42
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    Philo-Publius
  • ☆astac☆... Philo-P... 2012/09/22 17:23:02
  • Philo-P... ☆astac☆... 2012/09/22 17:33:56
    Philo-Publius
    +7
    I think you have the wrong thread, my friend -- we're talking here about the righteous actions of moderate Muslims. Yes, there are some evil ones, just like with any other religion.

    Might I suggest that it is your and others' painting them all with a broad, denigrating brush that is fostering so much of the ongoing anger, and causing many of them who might otherwise become liberal and more cosmopolitan to simply give up on Westerners, and retreat into fundamentalism?

    In other words, you may yourself be placing the very stone in their hand whose throwing you condemn.
  • ☆astac☆... Philo-P... 2012/09/22 17:37:23
  • Philo-P... ☆astac☆... 2012/09/22 17:40:34
    Philo-Publius
    +4
    Nice. Cock their hand back as well, and whisper some pointers into their ear on how best to throw it.

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