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Moderate Muslims Chasing Militia Groups Out By Force! Let's give them a big rave and a round of applause!

Foxhound BN0 2012/09/22 11:14:53
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BENGHAZI, Libya — Thousands of Libyans marched through Benghazi on Friday to demand the dismantlement of the hundreds of armed militias that have ruled the country’s streets since a revolution ended the 42-year rule of Moammar Khadafy. By late Friday, the protesters had overrun at least three militia bases, forcing fighters to flee with their guns.
An attack on the US Consulate last week that left four Americans dead has prompted anger and soul-searching among many of Benghazi’s residents, who believe that religious extremists operating in an atmosphere of weak central governance were behind the attack.
But the government in Tripoli has struggled to deal with the militias, which are composed largely of the young men who fought in last year’s revolution. The government’s efforts to bring some of the militias under a more unified national force have failed to deliver state-run security to Libya’s streets.
As protesters draped in the red, black, and green of the Libyan flag carried signs reading ‘‘Benghazi deserves better’’ and ‘‘No legitimacy, except to the police or the army,’’ the Islamist extremist group that many here have accused of being behind the attack held its own protest in nearby Al-Kish Square. Ansar al-Sharia gathered to call for the implementation of Islamic law in a demonstration that the antimilitia crowd said marked a provocation.

The dueling protests underscored a broader struggle underway in Libya, nearly a year after Libyans from across the political spectrum joined hands in an eight-month war to oust Khadafy. It is a battle to define a new Libya — to answer the crucial question of what the Libyan people, government and culture look like when the shackles of dictatorship are thrown off.
‘‘I think the struggle that’s eating people up right now is the struggle for an identity,’’ said Alya Barghathy, an English professor at Benghazi University, who joined the antimilitia protest Friday. ‘‘After all these years of being neglected and living in darkness, they don’t know who they are.’’
The collapse of Khadafy’s regime left a system in a shambles. After decades of repression, the country has lurched forward in recent months to form political parties and elect a General National Congress. The next task will be the drafting of a new constitution.
Opposition to the militias has been building since shortly after Khadafy’s fall. Late last year, non-Tripoli-based militias were asked by the transitional government to withdraw from the streets of the capital after residents complained their neighborhoods had been overrun by young men with guns. A Gallup poll released this month showed that 95 percent of Libyans want to see the militias dissolved. But Friday’s protest was the biggest public showing of antimilitia sentiment to date.
Not all of the militias are rooted in Islamic extremism. But groups like Ansar al-Sharia have proved a volatile addition to an already contentious debate over the proper role of religion in the new Libya.
Many Libyans, ranging from the liberal elites who now dominate the congress to members of the more conservative Muslim Brotherhood, describe their Islam as a moderate and tolerant one. Few — not even Western-educated secularists — say they want a constitution that doesn’t draw from Islamic law.
But the assault on the US consulate here last week, which left the US ambassador dead and which American officials now describe as a terrorist attack, has thrown that characterization into sudden and stark relief: Not everyone agrees on what Islamic law — or a state guided by it — actually means.
‘‘There is no doubt that in our societies, we have liberal Muslims who say ‘I’m a Muslim and I believe Islam belongs only in the mosque,’ ’’ said Ramadan Eldarsi, a high-ranking official of the Muslim Brotherhood. ‘‘But we think that Islam is a broader way to organize people’s lives, not just what they do within a mosque.’’
Eldarsi said the Brotherhood differentiates itself from groups like Ansar al-Sharia in that it advocates peace and tolerance, and believes in the democratic process.
Extremists such as the members of Ansar al-Sharia say they are also ready for a fight for the kind of state they want to see. But it’s the tools of that struggle that the moderates say they’re worried about.
Ansar al-Sharia, which established itself with a parade in Benghazi in June, opposes Libya’s transition to democracy, saying the system of elected leadership runs counter to Islamic principles. It acknowledged its members’ involvement in the protest outside the consulate, but has denied responsibility for the attack.
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  • cc 2012/10/04 00:39:08
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    cc
    +1
    We'd do the same thing.
  • esi 2012/09/26 23:31:20
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    esi
    +1
    And Go Americans who support their plight against extremists, as it is a shared and real concern here as well.
  • Cat 2012/09/25 07:03:14
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    Cat
    +1
    Nice to see some common decency competing wit dogmatic lunacy.
  • Contarded Guru Chickenhawk 2012/09/24 18:45:21
  • mz jane 2012/09/24 18:38:19
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    mz jane
    +2
    Good for them! I hope and pray they continue to stand up for themselves and not be overruled as before
  • Xerxes 2012/09/24 13:23:56
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    Xerxes
    +2
    I read this the other day, its a great story! Go moderate muslims! This is precisely the type of thing we have been saying they should do whenever there is violence over there, we always ask "where are the moderates we keep hearing about? Why dont they do anything?" And this time they have! Good for them!
  • Jim 2012/09/24 07:25:04
    There are no moderate Muslims, Obama is a communist, etc.
    Jim
    I would tread lightly, that this could all have been staged. Until someone can show that the Qu'ran doesn't say that all persons must be Muslim. If they won't convert to Islam, then they arte infidels and must be destroyed. I don't see how snyone can profess to be Mislim and not obey the Qu'ran.
  • RicardoCabeza 2012/09/24 00:07:26 (edited)
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    RicardoCabeza
    But sadly, they do not have any weapons, and if they did they would be ineffective because these are the Libyan People who are truly obedient to their religion, these people are not killers, skilled or talented in the acts of melee and slaughter, entrapment and murder which are necessary to defeat that group of Al Qaida thugs.
  • redhorse29 2012/09/23 19:42:42
    There are no moderate Muslims, Obama is a communist, etc.
    redhorse29
    When "moderate muslims" bring real lasting peace and tolerance to the middle east and world I will then give this my respect. For now we have centuries and centuries of muslim war, intolerance, hate, violence and bullying.
  • John BNO redhorse29 2012/09/23 23:34:10
    John BNO
    +4
    I have worked for years with Muslims at various hospitals and have always found them to be the exact opposite of their radical Muslims. They are very caring, honest, family orientated, and compassionate people. They realize and denounce the radicals within their own. The basic difference seems to be that the moderate Muslims are educated and can think and reason for themselves, as the radicals are directed by an extreme leader to promote his empire and riches.
  • Arizona1950 2012/09/23 19:38:10 (edited)
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    Arizona1950
    +1
    Don't allow yourselves to fall under another dictatorship ... no good to trade one evil for another no matter what you hope the outcome will be.

    edited: not for no (typo)
  • BigFig#9 2012/09/23 19:25:48
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    BigFig#9
    +3
    And moderate Christians in this country need to ensure their voice is heard too so that the Bob Jones University, Jerry Falwell, Koran Burning Terry Jones types don't come to represent that faith in the eyes of those overseas and from different faiths...
  • activ1 BigFig#9 2012/09/24 15:42:33
    activ1
    +1
    Excellent points. I think a big part of the problem is that people here in the U.S. accept the idea that the overwhelming majority of Christians are moderate, because they live amongst Christians, but they just as readily accept the false idea that most Muslims are extremists because they don't know any Muslims, and the only thing they know about them is what is fed to them through the media.
  • Ian 2012/09/23 19:18:26 (edited)
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    Ian
    +3
    Good for them, i for one cant stand these pricks who give the good tidy muslims a bad name, 1 billion and that all we see are these twats.

    If the majority of them were has bad has what we see on tv it would be a lot worse, now is the time for muslims to make a stand and do demonstrations against these vile thugs who are damaging their faith.
  • Tin Man 2012/09/23 18:56:03
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    Tin Man
    +1
    Altho' muslims are anti-christian, many would not take up arms against them. And for that we can be grateful. Libya has digressed to mob rule in the streets by many militas. And as has been said for the general population, they lack an identity as a nation. Hopefully Libya will learn from past mistakes in governance and choose a more democratic constitution to live with and be governed by, including religious tolerance.
  • Ian Tin Man 2012/09/24 06:06:10
    Ian
    +1
    The trouble is just because one nutter goes, another nutter comes back in its place.
    That is one of the main reasons we should stay out of Syria.leave Russia and China have the place in the end they will have to send body bags back home and they will ask "why the hell are we here for"let get out oh here.
  • George 2012/09/23 18:37:40
    There are no moderate Muslims, Obama is a communist, etc.
    George
    Moderate Muslims? Now thats an oxy moron if I ever heard one. These guys will simply be the next "team extremist" killing innocent people soon enough. The "religion" dictates it.
  • mikeeonly 2012/09/23 17:38:07
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    mikeeonly
    +1
    need more of that
  • Alvin 2012/09/23 17:20:17
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    Alvin
    +2
    There are people of character and righteousness in all countries and all religions. Just as there are impious, evil and fanatical people in all countries and religions. Do not judge all by the few.
  • Howler 2012/09/23 16:50:18
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    Howler
    I hope and wish the best for them.

    Regarding Obama being a Communist?...Could be..Why not?

    I only know that today's American-based, and some foreign-based, self-described Communists LOVE and identify with him and his ideology.

    Most any criticism Obama receives from such "Communists" is relative to his lack of speed and consistency in promoting the Communistic-theoretical cause.

    But, he is doing the best he can currently do in order to get away with it.
  • WTF 2012/09/23 15:44:23 (edited)
    There are no moderate Muslims, Obama is a communist, etc.
    WTF
    +1
    If you notice the mob is mostly women. Also with two warships on your doorstep they are just appeasing us. Once again get the money from the stupid Americans then abuse them. Those people all knew this was going down that night. Now they are playing meek and mild. Do not be decieved people we need to get out of there and take our own money and drill our own oil. Also where the h e l l is the Saudies in this? Watching and smoking hookas as a good moderate muslim?
  • kobidob... WTF 2012/09/23 18:46:40 (edited)
    kobidobidog
    I agree with you. Seeing all of the cartoon caricatures that the young are brought up on saying eat this ethnic group or kill that ethnic group teaches them to be deceptive lying with a strait face. No mass Koran destruction with Mecca, and Kaaba being pulverized will mean Qur'an shakers are trying to pull the wool over our eyes. That Qur'an is pointed at to try, and Justify riots, hangings, stonings, body part severing, wife beatings, calling cannibalism good, blowing oneself up to kill others. It is all an act to get us to drop our guard.
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/09/23 15:12:13
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    jackolantyrn356
    +2
    Look Sister.......... I gotta see dis.
  • CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY 2012/09/23 14:46:49
    There are no moderate Muslims, Obama is a communist, etc.
    CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY
    Moderate Muslims? No such thing exists.

  • Broddy 2012/09/23 11:26:07
    There are no moderate Muslims, Obama is a communist, etc.
    Broddy
    +2
    If the poll is going to be that biased i might as well take the biased answer.

    But i was happy to see that finally some Muslims stood up against the Extremist.
  • SimianSays 2012/09/23 07:12:59
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    SimianSays
    +1
    Finally! Allahu Akbar! Inshallah, a first step for Muslims to leave the border division to other people's and unite as one ummah.
  • diane 2012/09/23 07:12:00
    Woohoo! Go Moderate Muslims!
    diane
    +1
    as long as they didn't chase them into our countries I'm thrilled, now lets keep the momentum
  • OneOfTheAmericanPeople 2012/09/23 07:04:32
    There are no moderate Muslims, Obama is a communist, etc.
    OneOfTheAmericanPeople
    Can I really believe this our is this the MainStream Media making CRAP up to save the Liberal Socialist
  • MR. 2012/09/23 05:52:51 (edited)
    There are no moderate Muslims, Obama is a communist, etc.
    MR.
    +1
    Allah's a pagan moon diety! *(A piece of a meteorite is touched by millions of worshippers each year, at the shrine in Mecca!) Their flags have a "cresent moon and star" on them! Islamic fascism has millions of followers! Someone wake up, smell the coffee! Let's stop being hypnotized by the worlds hype! "The Big Lie", is no joke! Israel, is our true allie and friend! *(ROMNEY/RYAN 2012') -"And friends stick together!"-
  • Foxhoun... MR. 2012/09/23 06:25:18
  • MR. Foxhoun... 2012/09/23 06:29:47
    MR.
    +1
    Cream and Sugar?
  • SimianSays MR. 2012/09/23 07:06:25
    SimianSays
    +5
    You are either making this up or you are mistaken, in that you must have read some article claiming the pre-Islamic Arabs worshipped or believed in a moon god called Allah. The article in question, if you are basing your claim on such, had a bias with the intent on slanting information to corroborate an already existent preconception.
  • MR. SimianSays 2012/09/23 07:29:26 (edited)
    MR.
    NO ONE COULD MAKE "ANYTHING CLOSE" TO THAT UP! JUMP ON A PLANE, AND PROVE IT TO YOURSELF! I'VE KNOWN THIS FACT FOR QUITE SOME TIME! I'VE BEEN STUDYING "EVERYTHING" MIDDLE EAST FOR 30 YRS! I KNOW WHAT THIS LIBERAL ADMINISTRATION IS DOING, DON'T YOU? NOW, THAT'S THE EASY ONE TO FIGURE OUT!
  • SimianSays MR. 2012/09/23 07:37:22
    SimianSays
    +5
    Really? On the road to Damascus, Paul changed his name from Saul, claimed he saw Jesus come back and started preaching against the teachings of Jesus by claiming that Jesus was God and/or God's kid. Look how many people believe in Paulianity yet call it Christianity. So, yeah, things can be made up. And I'm sorry you wasted so much time studying yet are still so uninformed. Your teachers have taken your resources like taking candy from a baby.
  • MR. SimianSays 2012/09/23 07:46:13
    MR.
    THE LORD IS NOT A GOD OF CONFUSION. YOUR PLAYING INTO THE SAME SPIRIT OF THE WORLD, ALL LOST MANKIND IS. ASK ANY TRUE BELIEVER ON S/H AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING. YOU THINK, IT'S BAD NOW, "STOP HATING GOD" AND LOOK UP SOME END TIME PROPHECY WITH A MATURE OPEN HEART AND MIND, YOU'LL GET A REAL REALITY CHECK! THE LORD'S TRYING TO SAVE YOUR LIFE!
  • Alvin MR. 2012/09/23 17:23:14
    Alvin
    +1
    Please stop screaming, we can hear you.
  • joshua.... MR. 2012/09/23 15:27:01
    joshua.sager.9
    +5
    You insult Islam because it is unrealistic and ask us to support a Mormon instead? I think that all religion is a little crazy, but Mormonism is a little weird even by religious standards.


    PS. Islamic Fascism (and Islamic socialism) is a word salad created by people who have no understanding of political science--the proper label for what Muslim extremists (and Christian extremists) want to create is a "theocratic autocracy".
  • MR. joshua.... 2012/09/23 16:02:19 (edited)
    MR.
    INSULT MUSLIMS? BALONEY! THE WORST HAS YET TO COME! YOUR OBVIOUSLY, NOT A BIBLE SCHOLAR , SO STOP LOOKING STUPID! WE ALL KNOW WHO "THE TRUE EXTREMIST ARE, AND SO DOED GOD,SO GET SOME KNOWLEDGE, STOP PLAYING GAMES WITH SEMANTICS AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN A COUPLE YEARS!
  • joshua.... MR. 2012/09/23 16:10:20
    joshua.sager.9
    +6
    True, I am not a biblical scholar, but I have studied something far more valuable: Facts. When you get tired of promoting your imaginary friend while denigrating other peoples' imaginary friends, maybe we can talk about something real.

    PS. Somebody ranting in all caps about delusional theories surrounding god and religion has no business calling anybody else "STUPID" or ignorant.
  • MR. joshua.... 2012/09/23 16:14:13
    MR.
    DEBATE SOMETHING YOU KNOW ABOUT, YOUR WAY OVER YOUR HEAD ON THIS ONE, YOUR EMBARRASING YOUR MAMA!
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