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  • ron 2012/10/03 19:51:55
    ron
    +5
    Look we're just gonna have to trust him. He wouldn't lie. He's a man of God and morals and principles.What a joke. He really is starting to make me sick. I mean I can usually just laugh it off but this guy is really making me sick. Are you telling me that there's anybody who would really believes he paid the same taxes on that money.

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  • Mopheadmusic2000 2012/10/08 01:43:43
    Mopheadmusic2000
    Instead of worrying about Romney's taxes why not focus on the nearly 50% who do not pay? Have you inquired how much Obama pays? Pelosi? Reid? You goofs who point the finger at the rich, which one of them has their hands in your pockets? AND there is NO poor person in congress. The POOREST is worth over 5 million dollars. You, like your Pied-Piper Obama want to make it an issue of us and them. Well, he has. Only you're ignorant to who the sides are.
  • melvin taylor 2012/10/04 20:23:05
    melvin taylor
    What is his tax plan?. I have not heard any thing about a tax plan for any body except the RICH. This fool needs to understand "MATH"..........he must have paid people to take his test(s) for him in fool school.
  • Jee 2012/10/04 16:06:27
    Jee
    +1
    Mitt is dangerous and full of hot air. End of the debate I sat there and asked myself, WTF did he say?
  • Leonidas Jee 2012/10/05 13:09:39
    Leonidas
    Same Here!! And I bet he will dissavol all the positions he took to get the nomination.
  • JessyBear 2012/10/04 12:34:34
  • william JessyBear 2012/10/04 15:07:03
    william
    +1
    romney lied all night long, and President Obama let him, but wait till the next debate ...
  • Leonidas william 2012/10/05 13:14:22
    Leonidas
    +1
    Romney has already started to change his postions. He just now admitted that he was wrong in his 47% comments that were caught on tape. I wonder what the rich donors at that affair NOW think!!
  • JessyBear william 2012/10/05 18:24:29 (edited)
    JessyBear
    Use your own brain when you answer a question next time not NBC's.
  • william JessyBear 2012/10/05 19:23:00
    william
    NBC ?????????????????????????????...
  • cybernestical 2012/10/04 04:46:23
    cybernestical
    +1
    If the selfish, Mitt Romney become president, America will go straight to another deep depression and perhaps the undecided votes will have a side.
  • JEFF 2012/10/04 00:54:39
    JEFF
    +1
    LETS NOT FORGET THE FORTUNE HE MADE ON MEDICAL WASTE DISPOSAL WHICH WAS THE DISPOSAL OF ABORTED FETUSES. HE DIDN'T WANT HIS CHURCH TO KNOW THAT. THAT IS WHY HE DIDN'T WANT TO RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS. REPUBLICANS WILL TURN THEIR ONE BRAIN CELL OFF WHEN THEY ARE FACED WITH THAT FACT.
  • umapathy Krishnamurthy 2012/10/04 00:02:23
    umapathy Krishnamurthy
    +1
    I don't be leave him
  • ColettaHughes 2012/10/03 23:09:43 (edited)
    ColettaHughes
    +1
    Two types of Americans will be voting for Mitt.. Morons, or the wealthy in hopes of tax loopholes. I fear the red white and blue screaming "pro life" woman hating idealist lemming morons more than anything.
  • EdVenture 2012/10/03 21:59:21
    EdVenture
    Robme is just going to play the sound bite game he has nothing else. Turn this into a game show....period.
  • concerned 2012/10/03 20:25:32
    concerned
    +1
    Romney needs to give details .. details .. details ...
  • Bilingu... concerned 2012/10/03 21:28:40
    Bilingual required sucks
    +2
    He doesn't have any, any any.
  • drdos1943 concerned 2012/10/03 22:44:36 (edited)
    drdos1943
    +2
    Romney does not need to give any monetary details about his past. It is not a requirement to run for president. If he had done anything illegal, he'd be running his campaign from the cell of a federal prison. The IRS and the Obama campaign would have made sure of that.... just another smoke-screen to divert our attention from Obama's failures.

    I'd rather have a scammer in the White House scamming for the good of our country than the failure in the White House we have now.

    Obama is a great likeable guy and has the rhetoric and charisma to go along with it; but If you look at Obama's overall record and the statistics, he is vying for first place over Buchanan, Grant, and Carter for the worst president in our history.

    He has got to go.
  • JEFF drdos1943 2012/10/04 01:03:23
    JEFF
    +1
    ARE YOU INSANE. LETS NOT FORGET THE FORTUNE HE MADE ON MEDICAL WASTE DISPOSAL WHICH WAS THE DISPOSAL OF ABORTED FETUSES. HE DIDN'T WANT HIS CHURCH TO KNOW THAT. THAT IS WHY HE DIDN'T WANT TO RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS.THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL? INVESTING IN CHINA IS PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL TO YOU? REPUBLICANS WILL TURN THEIR ONE BRAIN CELL OFF WHEN THEY ARE FACED WITH THESE FACTS.
  • drdos1943 JEFF 2012/10/04 01:33:17 (edited)
    drdos1943
    +1
    ....and where did you get that info from?

    I do not like tit for tat; but Obama's past is just as bad, if not worse.

    It is no longer a question of anyone's past, whether or not true. It is a question of who can do the best for this country NOW. Obama presidency has already proved to be a failure. We cannot be sure that Romney can do better; but we can be sure that Obama, with all his personality, charisma, and rhetoric, cannot.
  • JEFF drdos1943 2012/10/08 04:40:12
    JEFF
    Do you really believe anyone could have cleaned up Bush's mess in 4 years? are you serious?
  • drdos1943 JEFF 2012/10/08 13:38:16 (edited)
    drdos1943
    Yes, I am serious.
    First of all it wasn't all Bush's mess. That's Democratic propaganda.The Democrats controlled Congress for the last two years of the Bush administration and the first two years of Obama's administration. They had plenty of time to work on the economy and pass anything they wanted to pass to improve the economy. Instead, time was wasted by bills that slowed the economy (Dodd-Frank), the ACA, and trying to spend our way out using policies that have never worked and haven't worked now. Other than that, they did nothing

    The current drop in the unemployment rate is no indication that things are getting better. Companies have trimmed their permanent employees and now are replacing them with temp where possible to reduce the unknown costs of Obama Care. The overall unemployment rate is still exactly what it's been, which is 14.7%

    All the Democrats had to do to start us on the way to recovery was to follow the same policies that Clinton, Reagan, and JFK used to get them out of their inherited recessions. (Romney proposes the same.) Instead, they have done just the opposite.

    Take 3 or 4 minutes and watch the following: (and remember, JFK was a Democrat.)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • Frank JEFF 2012/10/04 18:44:39
    Frank
    +1
    Jeff, is it illegal to make money off medical waste disposal???? Or is it illegal to give billions to green companies that take the money, dole it out in fat salaries and bonuses and then go bankrupted 6 months later????? Which one??????
  • JEFF Frank 2012/10/08 04:49:57
    JEFF
    +1
    It is not illegal to make money on medical waste disposal. But when you are running for president on a pro-life platform and at the same time making a fortune on aborted fetus disposal, I have a problem with that. I also have a problem with a presidential candidate afraid of showing his tax returns and openning overseas accounts as well as investing in a country he claims is destroying the U.S.- China
    WANT MORE?
  • Frank JEFF 2012/10/08 21:05:52
    Frank
    Ok I buy your explanation, now what about the 2nd half of my comment about the green????
  • JEFF Frank 2012/10/10 04:08:57
    JEFF
    There's plenty of blame to go around. There was no way obama could have known at that time that China's costs would be 30 cents to our costs for every dollar. No one could compete with that. And let's not forget Romney's investments in china.That didn't help.
  • Frank JEFF 2012/10/11 21:24:10
    Frank
    True about China. but the blame isn't on Romney for the green fiasco. And again it isn't illegal to invest in China, and it shoud be to take billions from the Government, make campaign donations, go bankrupt, while paying huge salaries and bonuses at the taxpayer expense, while Obama is President and supports.....
  • JEFF Frank 2012/10/13 03:28:02
    JEFF
    +1
    I'ts not illegal for Romney to invest in China yet he blames Obama for not being tough on China. Romney is running for president of the United States. not China. i have a problem with his hypocracy.Why not invest in America? He created 115,000 jobs overseas including China. Sorry but one does not criticize someone about policy while making a fortune off of those same policies in place. That's what Romney does best. His China investments, his investments with disposal of aborted fetuses. His investments with Chinas oil, His corporate looting,etc. ALL LEGAL BUT NOT FOR A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. As for green, Romney lied. Fact check: Are half of 'green' energy firms helped by stimulus out of business?

    By the CNN Wire Staff

    updated 12:16 PM EDT, Thu October 4, 2012

    Debate season kicks off in Denver

    STORY HIGHLIGHTS
    Mitt Romney decries "$90 billion in breaks to the green energy world"
    He says "about half" of green firms aided by the 2009 stimulus are "out of business"
    Despite flame-outs like Solyndra, most businesses appear to be still operational

    (CNN) -- Republican nominee Mitt Romney has frequently railed against efforts championed by President Barack Obama steering money to promote "green energy."

    He continued that line of attack Wednesday night, decrying what he described as...



































    I'ts not illegal for Romney to invest in China yet he blames Obama for not being tough on China. Romney is running for president of the United States. not China. i have a problem with his hypocracy.Why not invest in America? He created 115,000 jobs overseas including China. Sorry but one does not criticize someone about policy while making a fortune off of those same policies in place. That's what Romney does best. His China investments, his investments with disposal of aborted fetuses. His investments with Chinas oil, His corporate looting,etc. ALL LEGAL BUT NOT FOR A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. As for green, Romney lied. Fact check: Are half of 'green' energy firms helped by stimulus out of business?

    By the CNN Wire Staff

    updated 12:16 PM EDT, Thu October 4, 2012

    Debate season kicks off in Denver

    STORY HIGHLIGHTS
    Mitt Romney decries "$90 billion in breaks to the green energy world"
    He says "about half" of green firms aided by the 2009 stimulus are "out of business"
    Despite flame-outs like Solyndra, most businesses appear to be still operational

    (CNN) -- Republican nominee Mitt Romney has frequently railed against efforts championed by President Barack Obama steering money to promote "green energy."

    He continued that line of attack Wednesday night, decrying what he described as "$90 billion in breaks to the green energy world."

    "These businesses, many of them have gone out of business -- I think about half of them -- of the ones that have been invested in have gone out of business," the former Massachusetts governor said.

    So are Romney's assertions correct, both about the size of the "green energy" program and what happened to those companies that got money from it?

    The facts:

    The Department of Energy proudly touts that the 2009 stimulus authorized $90 billion "in government investments and tax incentives to lay the foundation for the clean energy economy of our future."

    But not all that money has been spent, and not all of it -- in fact, not even half of it -- is being directed to upstart green businesses.

    Part of 2009's much larger $787 billion stimulus package, this money went toward things like the weatherization of more than 770,000 homes and cleaning 688 square miles of land formerly used for Cold War-era nuclear testing.

    Many individual companies did benefit directly. The government website that tracks stimulus spending lists 27,226 individual awards under the "Energy/Environment" section, totaling just shy of $34 billion.

    The Department of Energy this June specified "33 clean energy projects" of a larger scale as part of its "loans program." Of those, financing had been "closed" on 20 of them. The intent was to promote new technologies and approaches, not necessarily old ones.

    There are also other things such as high speed rail and smart meters -- which are listed elsewhere, under "Infrastructure," as part of the same overarching stimulus legislation. Accounting for things like that, a report from the Brookings Institution non-partisan think tank this April tabbed the total green stimulus spending at $51 billion.

    Then, there's the matter of whether half of those companies that have gotten money "have gone out of business."

    A few recipients of the government funds have hit hard times. The most well-known of them is solar panel maker Solyndra, which received a $535 million loan guarantee from the Department of Energy. Two years later, it filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

    Fact Check: Oil and natural gas production under Obama

    Still, it is unclear where Romney got his figure that "half" those businesses are no longer operating.

    The Energy Department cites several success stories like one of the world's largest wind farms in eastern Oregon, massive solar power plants in Arizona and grants to Ford to produce fuel-efficient cars.

    In fact, of the 28 funded projects -- involving 23 companies -- listed in a 2012 congressional report, only four involve businesses that were either sold or are not in operation.

    Conclusion:

    It is fair to say that the 2009 stimulus authorized $90 billion for green energy, as Romney asserted. Whether or not one terms these as "breaks" is subjective, and one shouldn't assume that all the funds went to specific businesses like Solyndra.

    Most of the large projects that benefited from the Department of Energy loan program remain in operation -- contrary to Romney's assertion that "almost half" of them had closed.
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  • Frank JEFF 2012/10/13 17:13:47
    Frank
    Cutting through all the chase, they are all corrupt and crooked and seek power and money. It's never enough for them, whether it be Romney or Obama.....
  • JEFF Frank 2012/10/20 04:35:38
    JEFF
    +1
    AGREED. EVEN HUMANS AND KLINGONS CAN AGREE ON SOMETHING.
  • cyberne... drdos1943 2012/10/04 04:55:28
    cybernestical
    You must be talking about George Bush. LOL....
  • Frank cyberne... 2012/10/04 18:45:36
    Frank
    Another lib living in the past. Bush has been gone for 4 years in case you haven't heard....
  • ϟM̈ öp̈ëdërϟ 2012/10/03 19:53:02
    ϟM̈ öp̈ëdërϟ
    +3
    I wonder what scandal will come out about Willard next.
  • Kern ϟM̈ öp̈... 2012/10/03 20:59:38
    Kern
    +1
    The next scandal will be one of Romentron's robot arms will come loose. He'll have to hold on to it with the other one while his insufficient micro chip starts to overheat as he tries to explain how he will implement a $5 trillion dollar tax cut and increase military spending by $1 trillion without increasing our national debt.

    His software is set to go into zinger mode if things start to go badly for him. The Romentron will start incoherently spitting out one liners in a last ditch effort to save face and look human. "You increased the debt by $5 trillion dollars; where's your birth certificate; you smoked pot; look at my nice hair; My Indian name is dances with horses." It's going to be bad.

    Of course the Republicans will blame the nonexistent teleprompters for shorting out their Romentron completely ignoring the fact Wall Street Willard is not human. They will claim that the Romentron was assembled in this country (even though its parts made in China) so it's eligible to run for office.
  • drdos1943 Kern 2012/10/03 23:14:23 (edited)
    drdos1943
    I believe that you should also look up what the Democrats have done also, e.g., Dodd-Frank which instigated the housing bubble which led to this depression.

    Both parties are to blame....and you and I and the rest of the American voters are most to blame for not doing our job of playing watchdog over our government and its propaganda.

    I do not care whether you are liberal or conservative; vote out those who are detrimental to our county in the long run...not the short run. Think about that the next time you vote for anybody.
  • Kern drdos1943 2012/10/04 00:30:01
    Kern
    +2
    Maybe you should look up the Phil Gramm amendment to Clinton's last budget, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. This act torn down the wall between lending institutions and big banks which lead to the banks selling derivatives. With that Bush's Ownership Society paved the way to housing bubble.

    If there was a viable third party candidate I would consider them. I voted for Perot back in 1992.
  • drdos1943 Kern 2012/10/04 20:41:13 (edited)
    drdos1943
    I just read a paper, "A Summary of the Primary Causes of the Housing Bubble
    and the Resulting Credit Crisis: A Non-Technical Paper"
    By JEFF HOLT ... seems to sum it up pretty well.

    http://www.uvu.edu/woodbury/j...

    I will look up the Phil Gramm amendment.

    I voted for Ross Perot as well....taught me a lesson not to vote for third party candidates.
  • Kern drdos1943 2012/10/04 21:08:53
    Kern
    +1
    Thanks for the link. It's not a bad write-up but it ignores a few essential facts. The law that enabled the securitization of mortgages was Phil Gramm's amendment to Clinton's last budget, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. That act allowed for the financial institutions to securitize mortgages, bundle bad mortgages with good mortgages.

    This paper falsely clams that the Community Reinvestment Act was responsible for the housing bubble.

    http://www.businessweek.com/i...

    "University of Michigan law professor Michael Barr testified back in February before the House Committee on Financial Services that 50% of subprime loans were made by mortgage service companies not subject comprehensive federal supervision and another 30% were made by affiliates of banks or thrifts which are not subject to routine supervision or examinations. As former Fed Governor Ned Gramlich said in an August, 2007, speech shortly before he passed away: “In the subprime market where we badly need supervision, a majority of loans are made with very little supervision. It is like a city with a murder law, but no cops on the beat.”

    The housing crises was not caused by poor people buying houses they couldn't afford. It was caused by greedy bankers and relaxed regulations.
  • drdos1943 Kern 2012/10/04 21:18:16 (edited)
    drdos1943
    +1
    Good point, well proved.
  • drdos1943 ϟM̈ öp̈... 2012/10/03 23:08:59
    drdos1943
    +1
    I wonder what REAL scandal will come out about Obama next.
  • JEFF ϟM̈ öp̈... 2012/10/04 01:07:36
    JEFF
    +1
    LETS NOT FORGET THE FORTUNE HE MADE ON MEDICAL WASTE DISPOSAL WHICH WAS THE DISPOSAL OF ABORTED FETUSES. HE DIDN'T WANT HIS CHURCH TO KNOW THAT. THAT IS WHY HE DIDN'T WANT TO RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS.

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