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Mitt Romney Says the Lesson from Wisconsin is the American People Want Less Teachers, Police Officers and Firefighters. If Elected President, Mitt Has Vowed to Give Us Less! Do You Want Less?

my2cents 2012/06/12 03:33:43
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"Say Anything" Romney has done it again. He will spew whatever populist nonsense he thinks voters want to hear.

Mitt has now declared that the lesson from the Wisconsin recall is that the American people want less teachers in the schools, less police officers on the streets, and less fire fighters responding to fires and traffic accidents. And if elected President, he has vowed to make sure we get less! Yay!!!

The problem with this is, less police officers on the streets = more crime, less teachers in the classroom = bigger class sizes and less effective teaching, and less firefighters means longer response times to fires, traffic accidents and other emergencies.

Do you agree with Mitt, is the take away from Wisconsin that the American people want less teachers and first responders? Do you want less?
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  • Bill 2012/06/12 16:39:24
    Yes, I want less! Less teachers and first responders means smaller government...
    Bill
    Romney didn't say that we need "less", only that we can't continue to spend ourselves into oblivion with bloated local, state and federal funds that don't exist.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politic...
    "He says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers—did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did! It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people!"

    http://www.govexec.com/manage...
    “Of course, teachers, and fireman and policeman are hired at the local level and also by states,” Romney said on Fox News. “The federal government doesn’t pay for teachers, firefighters or policeman, so obviously that’s completely absurd.”

    It is NOT the federal governments job to supply funds that state governments should be providing.
  • my2cents Bill 2012/06/12 20:08:11
    my2cents
    The federal government DOES provide funds to help states pay for teachers and first responders by returning federal tax money back to the states. Romney's latest populist talking point: no more federal assistance to the states to hire teachers, police and firefighters.

    Will federal taxes be decreased to make up for the tax money states are no longer getting back from the government?

    And local taxes will have to be increased to make up for the lack of federal funds, or states will have to make do with LESS. If federal taxes aren't decreased and local taxes are raised, this amounts to a tax hike, right?
  • Bill my2cents 2012/06/12 23:49:18
    Bill
    As you said, make do with LESS.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/12 10:10:26
    No, I don't want less! If I need the Jaws of Life, I want the first responder...
    Lady Whitewolf
    ENOUGH SAID!!!
  • JenSemPa 2012/06/12 08:50:19 (edited)
    Undecided
    JenSemPa
    +1
    >>>Mitt Romney Says the Lesson from Wisconsin is the American People Want Less Teachers, Police Officers and Firefighters. >>>

    What???

    That's not what Romney said.

    That's not what he said at all. And you effing know it.

    Twisting Romney's words? Putting words into his mouth that he never said? Is that the ONLY way Obama's supporters can get him elected?

    Romney never said that people want fewer teachers, cops, and firefighters.

    The fact that you did not post any link whatsoever, where a reputable source that directly quotes Romney saying that, is proof enough that you're full of s**t.
  • my2cents JenSemPa 2012/06/12 20:09:03
    my2cents
    Boo hoo. Cry me a river.

    Isn't there an Obama birther topic you'd rather comment on?
  • john Kills 2012/06/12 07:06:34
    Mitt is a ninny, that is NOT what the Wisconsin recall meant.
    john Kills
    But yes, I want the department of education gone, epa, tsa/homeland security, NDAA, labor all gone, bring the troops home and place them on the border and tell them to use deadly force. This is what needs to be done the first day.
  • Reichstolz 2012/06/12 06:56:38
    Yes, I want less! Less teachers and first responders means smaller government...
    Reichstolz
    Considering the results of public teachers is a population that cannot compete globally when comparing education performance. We have seen crime rates reduced due to more people in prison, which is a function of removing those from society who do not want to be members of it, less police are required if we lock the filth up for good. The average fire fighter in CA pulls a pension starting at the age of 50, 27% higher than the private citizen will have at age 67. The average firefighter in CA pays nothing toward their lavish pension and benefits for life. The average response time to a house fire in Riverside county CA, where I live, is 47 minutes. The average home is completely engulfed in flames in under 20 minutes from the start of the fire. While it is a good talking point the statistics point to less of these brain dead government workers and more self sufficiency among the people paying their bloated salaries, pensions, and benefits.
  • my2cents Reichstolz 2012/06/12 20:15:19
    my2cents
    In that case, response time to a fire or emergency will increase to greater than 47 minutes. You may as well kiss your house (and your sweet a$$) good-bye.

    Police and firefighters get to "retire" at 50 because of the dangerous nature of their work and, especially for firefighters, it is physically difficult to carry heavy hoses, equipment and people after a certain age.

    The problem is that desk workers and city managers have also given this early retirement benefit to THEMSELVES as well, with the same bloated pension benefits. They don't have dangerous or physically demanding jobs, they are just taking advantage of the taxpayers.

    Let the police and firefighters keep their early retirement benefits, at least they've earned them by putting their life on the lines for the public good.

    The desk jockeys should be kicked off immediately.
  • Reichstolz my2cents 2012/06/13 04:02:36
    Reichstolz
    No, actually I employ a private fire service, and still have to pay taxes to support the incompetent public union monkeys with the pretty red trucks.

    You do understand that their(police and fire) risk of being injured on the job is statistically tied with a grocery store bagger. Their physical strain is no greater than anyone working construction. They haven't earned anything but to be mocked and laughed at, while parading through any town.

    Unfortunately, you have swallowed the whole load the government has been shoveling to you.
  • MichaelJ 2012/06/12 05:46:09 (edited)
    Undecided
    MichaelJ
    My2, you may as well have thrown in the ole Mitt wants dirty air and water to. Of course in reality what the election revealed is that the people in Wisconsin want an end to the corrupt system of public service unions massive political support of the very politicians they later negociate with for pay and benefits.
    People also want the same from the other side, the lobbyist influence should also end.
    I don't know what the ultimate solution is, other than perhaps electing people with integrity but politics doesn't seem to attract those type of people.

    Just one other point. The idea that teachers, first responders and fire fighters are something the FEDERAL government should be funding is part of the problem. The feds give a bunch of money to hire them and when it runs out the local government can't afford to keep them. Want more of these people? I suggest you campaign locally to raise taxes to pay for them.
  • my2cents MichaelJ 2012/06/12 05:58:11
    my2cents
    +1
    Exactly! Everyone wants teachers, police and firefighters, but no one wants to pay for them. People may say they are against the federal gov helping states foot the bill, but as soon as the fed isn't kicking in the cash and local taxes have to go up to pay for them, all hell will break loose. Hearing the small government conservatives bitch moan and groan about their increased local taxes alone would be worth it.

    I completely understand what the Wisconsin recall was about, Mitt obviously not. Mitt thinks it meant the American people don't want to see their federal tax dollars come back to their state to help them pay for these services. really? Really?? REALLY???

    Mitt is beginning to sound as clueless as Sarah Palin.
  • Reichstolz my2cents 2012/06/12 06:56:32
    Reichstolz
    Not everyone, most who look at the results of these positions can see they are an inefficient and ineffective waste of resources.
  • MichaelJ my2cents 2012/06/12 09:59:55
    MichaelJ
    My2, idea of a smaller federal government is that those tax dollars that are now flushed through the federal system and back to the states can stay where they belong, in the tax payers hand. Then you tax at the state and local levels to maintain the services and infrastructure that you decide you need, not someone in Washington DC.

    State and local government are vastly more effiecent than the federal 'one size fits all' mentality and you aren't maintaining massive federal departments to decide what needs to be done in your state or locality, THEY HAVE NO IDEA!
  • my2cents MichaelJ 2012/06/12 20:18:39
    my2cents
    I haven't heard anyone on Mitt's team talk about lowering federal taxes to make up for the money the states no longer will be getting back. Have you? I've only heard about making the rates we pay now permanent, not lowering them further.

    States will have to raise taxes to make up for the federal shortfall or make do with LESS. Without a corresponding federal tax decrease, Mitt's plan will result in a tax increase for everyone.
  • Lady Wh... my2cents 2012/06/12 10:11:23
    Lady Whitewolf
    "Mitt is beginning to sound as clueless as Sarah Palin..."

    TRIPLE LOLZ! ya THINK???
  • Bill my2cents 2012/06/12 16:45:41
    Bill
    Gripe about taxes? Why shouldn't we. I pay over $10,000 a year just in property taxes here in CT. Do you think I want or can afford them to go up any more than that? What are your property taxes and what kind of increase would you like to see in them to afford super retirement packages with 90% of salary, 100% health insurance and benefits, etcetera. I don't get that. Why should I pay that MUCH for theirs?
  • my2cents Bill 2012/06/12 20:19:37
    my2cents
    We're talking about boots on the ground, not pensions.
  • Bill my2cents 2012/06/12 23:50:43
    Bill
    Where do you think all of that money goes? Simply to teachers? It goes to the states to back up their pensions and health care. You really don't study these issues much.
  • Icanbean Arschloch 2012/06/12 04:15:58
    Undecided
    Icanbean  Arschloch
    +1
    WTF? Check your facts. There has been little to no job losses. There has been substancial tax relief for the taxpayers. Sure, the teachers have to kick in for their health insurance and pension program. So waht is the big deal about that?
  • my2cents Icanbea... 2012/06/12 04:51:15
    my2cents
    +1
    Check yours.

    "The Republican nominee specifically told supporters, "[Obama] wants to hire more government workers. He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people."

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/p...
  • Bill my2cents 2012/06/12 16:47:10 (edited)
    Bill
    http://www.govexec.com/manage...
    “Of course, teachers, and fireman and policeman are hired at the local level and also by states,” Romney said on Fox News. “The federal government doesn’t pay for teachers, firefighters or policeman, so obviously that’s completely absurd.”

    It is NOT the federal governments job to supply funds that state governments should be providing. That is MY tax money being spent in another state.
  • my2cents Bill 2012/06/12 20:21:07
    my2cents
    The federal government DOES provide funds to help states pay for teachers and first responders by returning federal tax money back to the states. Romney's latest populist talking point: no more federal assistance to the states to hire teachers, police and firefighters.

    Will federal taxes be decreased to make up for the tax money states are no longer getting back from the government?

    And local taxes will have to be increased to make up for the lack of federal funds, or states will have to make do with LESS. If federal taxes aren't decreased and local taxes are raised, this amounts to a tax hike, right?
  • Bill my2cents 2012/06/12 23:55:49
    Bill
    +1
    It is not up to the Feds to pay for thses things. They are not returning money to the states, individually, but are spreading the wealth from all other states. So, if Obama wins and gets his Jobs Act through, what will he do the next year? Same thing...money from taxes for teachers, firemen and police to put money into the economy. More debt. Cut taxes, regulation, etc. and let state and local revenue handle those things. Look at North Dakota now which is willing to repeal its property taxes because of booming OIL production. Start drilling.

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