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Mitt Romney makes 14 billion dollar gaffe. Does Mitt Romney have an understanding of what the government pays for?

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Mitt Romney was only off by billions of dollars when he said Tuesday that the federal government doesn't pay for police officers, firefighters and teachers.



Trying to counter criticism from the White House, Romney argued that
it was "completely absurd" to say he would cut the hiring of such civil
servants because the federal government plays no part in those
decisions.



"That's a very strange accusation," Romney said on "Fox &
Friends." "Of course, teachers and firemen and policemen are hired at
the local level and also by states. The federal government doesn't pay
for teachers, firefighters or policemen. So obviously that is completely
absurd."

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  • ally 2012/06/17 05:24:01 (edited)
    No, he doesn't seem to realize what money is spent on.
    ally
    I would bet that $14 Mil the idiots on Fox and Friends all nodded their heads in agreement, too.
  • Wag 2012/06/14 14:04:42
    No, he doesn't seem to realize what money is spent on.
    Wag
    +1
    what a tool
  • Cyan9 2012/06/14 05:47:13
    No, he doesn't seem to realize what money is spent on.
    Cyan9
    To be honest I thought MItt Romney was correct. What he said was the common perception of how federal and state governments work but it's an oversight of the billions in state aid that the US. government gives out every year. Often times these funds go to off set a state deficit so that the state can still keep it's level of public service at the same level. Yes, the federal government will pay states to not fire teachers and other public servants. The 2009 Stimulus actually did a lot of this for example.
  • DDogbreath 2012/06/13 17:29:28
    Yes, the 14 billion dollar oversight was understandable.
    DDogbreath
  • No nonsense NanC...don't BS... 2012/06/13 17:19:03
    Yes, the 14 billion dollar oversight was understandable.
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    +1
    He is correct...... Local communities hire police, firefighters and teachers. Federal money
    may be sent to the states to suppliment the paying of these public employees, but
    it is the cities and towns that hire them.
  • Cyan9 No nons... 2012/06/14 05:43:47
    Cyan9
    That is a very specious argument or do you actually think that if the US government revoked all these funds that no one would be laid off or fired?
  • No nons... Cyan9 2012/06/15 17:47:11
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    No, Federal money is used to pay these employees, but it is local government who
    hires.

    I repeat, " Federal money
    may be sent to the states to suppliment the paying of these public employees, but
    it is the cities and towns that hire them."

    They also have to provide all the benefits that they acrue for retirement, and that
    is what is bankrupting local and state governments....... That is the problem. Just
    look at California!
  • Manwé 2012/06/13 17:14:04
    No, he doesn't seem to realize what money is spent on.
    Manwé
    +2
    He will be forgiven all his gaffes by those who have ABO (anyone but Obama) syndrome.
  • captainquiggle 2012/06/13 15:35:24
    Yes, the 14 billion dollar oversight was understandable.
    captainquiggle
    +2
    It was understandable that Romney would make that kind of oversight. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. He's swept up in the party rhetoric.
  • Kiosk Kid 2012/06/13 15:26:42
    Yes, the 14 billion dollar oversight was understandable.
    Kiosk Kid
    +3
    Romney was correct, the Federal government doesn't pay for police officers, firefighters and teachers.

    The Federal government does give money to states but states can use it as they see fit.
  • toni Kiosk Kid 2012/06/13 20:08:48
    toni
    Every penny provided to states by the federal government is earmarked for a specific purpose. The state doesn't get the money unless they use it for purpose congress appropriated it for.
  • Kiosk Kid toni 2012/06/13 21:46:19
    Kiosk Kid
    OK. they use 10 million from Obama for school teachers. However, they take 10 million for school teachers from what they pay and use it for something else.

    The point is that police, fire, and school teachers are not Federal employees, they are state and city employees.
  • Contarded Guru Chickenhawk 2012/06/13 15:24:33
  • beavith1 Contard... 2012/06/13 16:28:25
    beavith1
    +2
    about SNL?
  • Contard... beavith1 2012/06/13 20:53:20
  • beavith1 Contard... 2012/06/13 21:43:09
    beavith1
    +1
    i watch it religiously, for that one great really funny skit.

    i haven't seen one in a LONG time.

    this one wasn't funny. it was kind of stupid.
  • Contard... beavith1 2012/06/13 21:47:36
  • beavith1 Contard... 2012/06/13 21:49:10
    beavith1
    +1
    i surf past them in the morning. i used to watch GMA, too.

    meh. nothing going for it...
  • Contard... beavith1 2012/06/13 21:52:40
  • beavith1 Contard... 2012/06/14 02:43:58
    beavith1
    heh heh heh.

    i might watch House Hunters or Storage Wars.

    basically just to have noise on...
  • Contard... beavith1 2012/06/14 13:15:10
  • beavith1 Contard... 2012/06/14 14:43:34
    beavith1
    +1
    me too when the wife travels.
  • Contard... beavith1 2012/06/14 14:45:31
  • GOP Poison Contard... 2012/06/14 15:15:14
    GOP Poison
    +1
    Have you noticed how civil the republicans are when they are on MSNBC? As soon as they leave the building they put on their a$$hole clothes. They know they can act like they have a lick of sense and civitity when on MSNBC because none of the people that support them will see them acting that way.
  • Contard... GOP Poison 2012/06/14 15:18:50
  • GOP Poison Contard... 2012/06/14 15:16:52
    GOP Poison
    +1
    Makes a person wonder how he ever got elected in Texas.I have not met a texan yet who voted for him.
  • Contard... GOP Poison 2012/06/14 15:20:27
  • Flowers 2012/06/13 14:24:41
    No, he doesn't seem to realize what money is spent on.
    Flowers
    +2
    I knew the federal government paid into those programs listed in the article but never really took a moment to consider where the funds were allocated. Although, I'm not running for president.
  • luvguins 2012/06/13 14:24:41
    No, he doesn't seem to realize what money is spent on.
    luvguins
    +5
    Mannequin Mitt again shows again how clueless he is about the federal government. Guess he forgot also that Clinton signed a bill to put 100,000 cops on the beat, and that the stimulus saved 400,000 teacher jobs in addition to what is in this link. And some actually want this fool in the White House?
  • Getting... luvguins 2012/06/13 16:46:36
    GettingBarried
    +2
    Please show me what that elusive formula is for "jobs saved". I'm curious how these numbers are reached.
  • luvguins Getting... 2012/06/13 17:04:47
    luvguins
    +1
    Adding up the various states reporting. Texas alone say 250,000. Google it.
    http://blogs.edweek.org/edwee...
  • Rebel Yell 2012/06/13 14:21:29
    No, he doesn't seem to realize what money is spent on.
    Rebel Yell
    +4
    Federal funds are sent directly to states and local school districts for their use in schools, such as Title I Grants for Disadvantaged Children

    Major programs that use federal funds include:

    ESEA, Title I: $13.3 billion
    IDEA, Part B, Grants to States: $11.1 billion
    Improving Teacher Quality: $2.9 billion
    21st Century Community Learning Centers: $991.1 million
    English Language Learners: $675.8 million
    Impact Aid (schools impacted by military bases and other facilities): $1.2 billion

    What the hell is wrong with Romney? Has he never heard of No Child Left Behind? The stimulis awarded money to each state for police and fire academies. It was up to the state to determine which cities had the most need.

    Keep talking, Romney, Keep talking. Buffoon.
  • beavith1 Rebel Yell 2012/06/13 16:26:05 (edited)
    beavith1
    +1
    title 1 has been around for decades.
    IDEA is extremely UNDERfunded versus what the bill requires. that difference is why many school districts struggle to budget effectively because of catastrophic special ed costs. the feds 'promised' 45% payments and they actually come in at less than 15%. Grants? for a federal mandate that pays closer to 0% than the statutorily 'promised' level? thanks for almost nothing.
    Improving teacher quality? what a great idea. but lets focus on the level of mediocrity that we get for ALL those billions and billions spent. spending $3B more isn't going to make a whit of difference.
    another BILLION on 21st Century Learning Communities? along with Race to the Top and Common Core, what we are seeing is a co option of local control for federal control.
    LOL! English language learners? close the borders and zero that one out.
    Impact Aid is supposed to cover the COSTS of having those federal plants there. that's a reimbursement, that's not a grant.

    what the hell is wrong with you? NCLB is an ABJECT failure. its a Bush era bipartisan disaster. we're testing the crap out of the kids and we're STILL mediocre by any measurement. but let's throw more money at it?

    the stimulus kicked the headcount bomb down the road for a couple years. right now, its a b...



    title 1 has been around for decades.
    IDEA is extremely UNDERfunded versus what the bill requires. that difference is why many school districts struggle to budget effectively because of catastrophic special ed costs. the feds 'promised' 45% payments and they actually come in at less than 15%. Grants? for a federal mandate that pays closer to 0% than the statutorily 'promised' level? thanks for almost nothing.
    Improving teacher quality? what a great idea. but lets focus on the level of mediocrity that we get for ALL those billions and billions spent. spending $3B more isn't going to make a whit of difference.
    another BILLION on 21st Century Learning Communities? along with Race to the Top and Common Core, what we are seeing is a co option of local control for federal control.
    LOL! English language learners? close the borders and zero that one out.
    Impact Aid is supposed to cover the COSTS of having those federal plants there. that's a reimbursement, that's not a grant.

    what the hell is wrong with you? NCLB is an ABJECT failure. its a Bush era bipartisan disaster. we're testing the crap out of the kids and we're STILL mediocre by any measurement. but let's throw more money at it?

    the stimulus kicked the headcount bomb down the road for a couple years. right now, its a buyer's market for teachers, police, and fire personnel. and that's because most of those costs are borne by local taxpayers. the feds can't possibly come up with enough cash to make any sort of dent in those numbers, nor should they.

    i'm not pleased with how Romney looks to handle the education side, anyway. to me, its a lot of rehashed Bush2 leadership. Obama has had a terrible terrible impact on education by making a baldly federal push to nationalize local education.

    Obama MUST go.
    (more)
  • Rebel Yell beavith1 2012/06/13 17:04:15
    Rebel Yell
    +1
    WT.....?

    You do go on. If someone asked you about the weather, you would drone on about the ice age.

    Bottom line.. Romney apparently doesn't know the Dept of Ed is a Cabinet-level department of the United States government that allocates money to the states, largely through grants.
  • beavith1 Rebel Yell 2012/06/13 19:59:43 (edited)
    beavith1
    +2
    why do you need a cabinet level dept just to dole money out to the states? answer? you don't. this DoE in particular is single handedly federalizing education.

    those grants come with a lot of stipulations. none good.

    that 'history' is to show what a screwed up bargain we're making with our gov't. if you don't know how we got here, how can your 'opinion' have any relevance? as far as you're seemingly concerned, you don't want less of this abortion, you want more.

    its nice how you can draw a random conclusion about Romney, though. this attempt at democrat distraction won't make the news cycle...
  • beavith1 2012/06/13 14:17:02
    Yes, the 14 billion dollar oversight was understandable.
    beavith1
    +2
    actually, the $14B 'oversight' isn't so much as 'understandable,' as it is a statement about what the federal Gov't SHOULDN'T be paying for.

    at least, not like this.
  • captain... beavith1 2012/06/13 15:41:22
    captainquiggle
    Oh, the federal government shouldn't be paying for it? And, how do you propose the States pay for it?
  • beavith1 captain... 2012/06/13 16:00:07
    beavith1
    +2
    local cities and towns pay for it! why should someone in UT pay for one new cop in NH?

    its one thing for the federal gov't to donate money to states and localities to provide extras they thing may be important, its quite another for the federal gov't to be the only visible means of support
  • captain... beavith1 2012/06/13 16:02:12
    captainquiggle
    I guess you haven't been paying attention since 1994 or so. There's all sorts of federal money that goes towards education and hiring of teachers, police and firefighters. The state can only use so much of it to do other things beside hire personnel.
  • beavith1 captain... 2012/06/13 20:04:34
    beavith1
    +2
    the point is that federal money should not be involved in that hiring.

    i know in our school district, we don't use federal dollars to hire. every staff member gets paid for from local property tax.

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