Military suicides higher than combat deaths
Manwë
2011/02/12 20:39:25
For the second year in a row, the U.S. military has lost more troops to suicide than it has to combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Overall, the services reported 434 suicides by personnel on active duty,
significantly more than the 381 suicides by active-duty personnel
reported in 2009. The 2010 total is below the 462 deaths in combat,
excluding accidents and illness. In 2009, active-duty suicides exceeded
deaths in battle.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/01/army-guard-reserve-suic...

Overall, the services reported 434 suicides by personnel on active duty,
significantly more than the 381 suicides by active-duty personnel
reported in 2009. The 2010 total is below the 462 deaths in combat,
excluding accidents and illness. In 2009, active-duty suicides exceeded
deaths in battle.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/01/army-guard-reserve-suic...
Read More: http://www.congress.org/news/2011/01/24/more_troop...
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♥ Emily the "Cutie Banana P... 2011/02/13 00:49:10






















US and NATO policies have NOTHING to do with it!!
I don't know where you got those ideas but you are flat-out wrong.
DO NOT try and politicize this problem...
Try this:
You've been home two of the last five years, The kid who was a bump in your wife's belly when you left is now a child who screams when you go to hold him/her because they don't know who the hell you are, your loyal 12yo kid is now 14 and wants to know why he should listen to you because you're never around, and tells you he likes it better when you're gone....
Your wife has decided that she has had enough of worrying about you for months on end and has handed you divorce papers with an abrupt "I just can't live like this anymore." then moves out to go live with her boyfriend who she was screwing while you were in a war zone. She also wiped out your bank account, and maxed all the credit cards that YOU are responsible for paying down because your name is on them
So.....here you are, some of your friends are dead, you saw them die. Your family life is torn to shreds, you are $40,000 in debt, you're maligned by your own kids, the woman you vowed to love and cherish is pregnant by some civilian bum, shacking up with him, while you're back to living in the barracks contempla...
US and NATO policies have NOTHING to do with it!!
I don't know where you got those ideas but you are flat-out wrong.
DO NOT try and politicize this problem...
Try this:
You've been home two of the last five years, The kid who was a bump in your wife's belly when you left is now a child who screams when you go to hold him/her because they don't know who the hell you are, your loyal 12yo kid is now 14 and wants to know why he should listen to you because you're never around, and tells you he likes it better when you're gone....
Your wife has decided that she has had enough of worrying about you for months on end and has handed you divorce papers with an abrupt "I just can't live like this anymore." then moves out to go live with her boyfriend who she was screwing while you were in a war zone. She also wiped out your bank account, and maxed all the credit cards that YOU are responsible for paying down because your name is on them
So.....here you are, some of your friends are dead, you saw them die. Your family life is torn to shreds, you are $40,000 in debt, you're maligned by your own kids, the woman you vowed to love and cherish is pregnant by some civilian bum, shacking up with him, while you're back to living in the barracks contemplating spending the next 25 years to pay your way out of debt that you didn't aquire but are responsible for anyway, and you just sold your car to get a lawyer.....
The scenario I have just laid out is an amalgamation of a LOT of stories in the DoD suicide report, some grimmer than others, but none are pretty, and they have in common that some poor bastard reached the end of his own rope and decided that it was just too hard to hold on any more. And it AINT policy that pushes them to that edge, it's far more personal than that.
I READ the 450 page DoD suicide report.......I have a copy of it in my office.
The military has researched exaustivly every suicide in the last 5 years trying to find common threads, if there is a suicide EVERY member of your chain of command and NCO chain, from your squad or team leader, ALL THE WAY UP to the brigade commander and Command Sergeant Major, report to a review board made up of General Officers from throughout the service branches to try and find out what happened and why, and what if anything could have been done to prevent it, and if there were warning signs. This board is not convened to find fault, but to find fact in order to put together a comprehensive plan to proactivly prevent Serviceperson suicides by arming each service member with the mindset to prepare for battle stressors and stressors from home as a result of deployment. The plan is called "Total Soldier Fitness" and it's being fielded but it's too soon to tell how much of a help it is, or if it will be of any help at all.
Fact is, no two people are alike, so no one solution is going to be the "silver bullet" that stops service person suicides, everyone has their own personal limits, and everyone is different. As repeted depolyments continue to stress service members and their families, these things are going to continue to happen. The divorce rate in the Special Forces is out of this world because they deploy several times a year....and can't even tell their spouses where they are going due to the nature of their missions. Now imagine YOU are a Special Forces wife, your husband is gone again...you don't know where...and the death notification team arrives at your neighbor's door, to tell her that HER Green Beret is dead....How long do you think you can hold on?? How long before you go live with your mother, leaving him a goodbye letter on a set of divorce papers in a half empty house, because you have your limits too, and you have been pushed past them too many times now, and you're tired of being afraid every damn day??
And what do you imagine it's going to do to him?
Policy? Ammo?....We fu*kin WISH it was that simple.
That part of my comment was directed at another.
I should have been a little more clear.
making our soldiers fight a war in a country that does not want us there is emotionally/mentally devastating.
their families are hurting back home with the country in the sh!tter - and they are screwing up their lives & the lives of the people they are killing - for no purpose at all -
thet would make ANY sane person crazy !
only insane people think it is sane !!
this is not the first time I have seen this -
Viet Nam was the same kind of economic war -
the only difference was that the soldiers were killing their officers rather than committing suicide !
sounds like a better choice to me !!
You ever hear of a country that wanted foriegn armies duking it out on their soil?
Not even in France after the liberation were they happy to host battles where their people were living.
france loved us as liberators - they just wanted their country back -
lets not forget that without france - england kicks our ass in 1776 !
there is no reason to be in iraq -
we both know it -
remember Viet Nam !
no reason to be there either - but we sure killed a lot of them & 50,000 US citizens !
the soldiers are in a tight spot today -
killing to help people that dont want the help - not knowing if your family at home will make it thru the economic turmoil while you are far away & can do nothing to help -
too much pressure - for too few GOOD reasons - none actually !
Like I said - no one agrees 100% - but on this one I stand firm - you are too young to have "seen" viet nam -
it was a disgraceful use of USA aggression for ALL the wrong reasons !!
basically because after 100 years of imperialism - france lost control !!
my points exactly -
The reasons seem to be a toxic cocktail of things that accompany multiple deployments usually FROM the homefront over "just" what goes on downrange.
reason is needed for sanity -
fighting for a solid visible reason like freedom [WW II] is easier to handle -
but still difficult -
when "reason" is vague or non existent - and the pressures of daily life become more than one can handle -
sometimes suicide is the only door -
not being able to walk in another mans shoes is the reason we are not able to figure out the WHY !
military suicides are always higher in the reasonless wars -
during viet nam - the enlisted men killed their officers -as much as they committed suicide or MORE !
that was a different time & place ! my older brother in law was a marine shipped to viet nam in the late 50s -
he had never heard of this "police action" or viet nam before !
when he got off the transport - he was ON the front lines -
he came home totally changed - his view of the USA was changed also -
his stories are full of horrible events -
women & children as the "enemy"
the USA was the enemy to the vietnamese civilians - not liberators !-
just like you & I would do if we were invaded by US !
I have said it before and will say it again, it has nothing to do with whether it's a "popular" war or not, THAT is the politics of the observer talking, projecting values into Soldiers that are NOT there.
Soldiers in war whether it's WW2 or Iraq fight for ONE reason:
Each other, period.
We don't think about just or unjust, popular or unpopular, capitalism, or imperialism, baseball, apple pie, oil, spreading democracy, nation building, haliburton, blackwater, bush, obama, or any other such "large scope" topic.
We fight....for each other. That.....me watching your back, you watching mne, both watching the other guys in an unfriendly place....is what's going to get us all home alive.
Men get welded to each other living like that in bonds that are closer the husband/wife bonds are. Lose one of those men and it's devastating. Survivor's guilt runs high. "Why did he die and I'm still here?"
Now take that, with multiple stressors from back home, and you see why some men get to the end of their rope....and let go.
Politics.....the "rights and wrongs" or the particular war....arn't a part of it.
It's horrible.
I have been BOTH places. Iraq twice, and "stan" once. The combat stressors that I have spelled out (scroll up) would effect us whether we were in Iraq, Afganistan, or Kansas.
It matters not a bit where "there" is, and the fact that she paints with such a broad asumptive brush tells me that she doesn't know a thing about us, and is projecting HER views on the wars on us and it is simply NOT the case.
She's correct.
We don't fight for what you civilians THINK we do. She is dead wrong.
Tell me, what do we fight for??
One of them killed himself when he got back from his second tour... the day he got back.
I've had personal experience with this and you can't tell me I'm wrong because I've seen it, heard it, and lived it.
Just because perhaps YOU haven't felt that way doesn't mean other troops don't and haven't.
I'm talking about what YOU (that means you) civilians think WE are fighting for.
Because I'm going to bust your bubble....
There really isn't to much bad behavior on SH, it's a shame to see a post like this.
For comparison, Grant lost more men in ten minutes at Cold Harbor than we have in ten years of the Iraq-Afghanistan War.
....getting beyond the "I win / you loose" mentality?
or this one: