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Midnight Movie Massacre: set up?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/07/21 18:28:54
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Three issues about the Midnight Movie Massacre of July 20, 2012:

1. Why were the media so quick to identify someone without even trying to make sure they had the same James Holmes? ABC-TV found someone with the same first and last names, but a different middle name, and said, "Here's your man!" And ABC-TV's man was a Tea Party guy. How convenient. And now that man is "set up" for death threats.

2. Why were all those politicians ready to roll with more calls for gun control? Did anyone stop to think that maybe--just maybe--if the theater owners let CCW permit holders carry their weapons inside, the Midnight Movie Massacre need never have happened?

3. Can you believe this guy? Where'd he get all those weapons? They cost $20,000. Where'd he get that kind of money? Why did he stop just because one of his guns jammed? (He had other guns; why didn't he use them?) Why'd he set up a music program to play LOUD MUSIC in his apartment from midnight to 1:00 a.m., and even leave his door unlocked? Why did he surrender, when he was armed and armored for a real fight, or even to shoot his way out of there?

Maybe this is what he had in mind...

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/07/21 18:32:08
    Yes, and the government set this up to plump for more gun control.
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +15
    Think about it. The UN Arms Trade Treaty is coming up for signature. We now know that Operation Fast and Furious was all about planting throw-downs in Mexico. Here's another such episode.

    Only his gun jammed. And the tenant who might have barged into the apartment (to say "TURN THAT %&^&% STEREO DOWN!"), didn't. Result: no explosions.

    At the time of posting, the bomb squad has defused the worst of the booby traps. Maybe now the local cops can tell us something. (Whoever else I suspect, I don't suspect them.)

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  • Franklin whocares 2012/07/22 02:15:27
    Franklin
    +3
    is rush running for any thing ? God your such a loser are we going to have to cage you like an animal when you lose in November ? BTW thanks for the terrorist attack at the theator Occutard !
  • whocares Franklin 2012/07/22 02:17:55
    whocares
    +1
    Say it to my face PAB!
  • Franklin Franklin 2012/07/22 02:24:33
    Franklin
    +3
    aw the coward whocares blocked me after making a threat he can't back up
  • Singerar Franklin 2012/07/22 04:23:55
    Singerar
    +3
    He blocked you because you ramble and spew crazy nonsensical crap. You probably scare him! Get some help!
  • Franklin Singerar 2012/07/22 13:40:57
    Franklin
    he blocked me out of fear just like any good little libtard! He has no come back and has already looked and knows that he is still supporting people who are terrorists ...his choice is to accept any and all crimes to keep his goals and his agenda , just like you have !
  • The Lib... Singerar 2012/07/22 13:47:22
    The Libertarian
    Franklin wasn't rambling, in fact his point was well played, why would anyone care about Rush when he isn't running for anything.
  • Singerar The Lib... 2012/07/22 16:08:42
    Singerar
    Rambling.... Constantly.
  • Pedro D... whocares 2012/07/22 04:28:54
    Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA
    +1
    We can change the dial on Rush, we can't change the dial on Obama (until Nov)

    Here's one of the Obama records that has been made available to the public from DOJ.

    eee
  • The Lib... whocares 2012/07/22 13:45:42
    The Libertarian
    +1
    I don't listen to Rush, so why should I care about his records, he isn't running for any office. So your post is well, stupid.
  • The Libertarian 2012/07/22 01:50:28
    No set-up; he did this on his own, including the weapons training.
    The Libertarian
    +2
    Right now I tend to believe this was nothing more than a nut job living out a fantasy in his warped mind. I could change my mind but right now I see no evidence to the contrary.
  • Franklin The Lib... 2012/07/22 13:41:47
    Franklin
    +1
    true but the warping of his mind can be blamed on occupy and liberals - LOL
  • relic 2012/07/22 01:34:29
    Undecided
    relic
    +1
    He was probably recruited at one of the OWS San Diego rallies he attended.
  • Franklin relic 2012/07/22 13:42:49
    Franklin
    +1
    or the one he was arrested but not charged at in New York- point is he is Occupy and the MEDIA rushed to create the lie that he was TEA party
  • Walt 2012/07/22 01:32:06
    Undecided
    Walt
    +2
    Since the 1960's, agencies have had time, new drug creation, and new technological developments on their side. There are too many problems with the Sirhan Sirhan situation to not entertain the possibility that we are being manipulated.
  • Theresa 2012/07/22 01:30:05
    Undecided
    Theresa
    +2
    The attack happened when the NWO was losing control of the Banking situation. Mighty convenient having this event saturate the media so that the wrong doings of the federal reserve are again below the radar.
  • Louisa - Enemy of the State 2012/07/22 01:24:35
    Undecided
    Louisa - Enemy of the State
    +1
    Answered too quickly! I'm NOT undecided. The guy did it on his own. No one else was involved. Please no more conspiracy theories!!
  • FairLady 2012/07/22 00:57:49
    No set-up; he did this on his own, including the weapons training.
    FairLady
    +2
    Temlakos, you have a good point about $20,000 weapon. He is student, where the heck he got this money?
    I think he acted alone, but who knows.

    I have a different question - why adults took their 6 year old children to the midnite's movie? No child would be effected if they stayed home at midnite.
  • Temlako... FairLady 2012/07/22 01:38:20
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +2
    You're right. That was very poor judgment on their part. A premiere is never that important. It wasn't when I was a kid. And who brings a one-year-old infant to a showing like this?
  • FairLady Temlako... 2012/07/22 01:48:20 (edited)
    FairLady
    I know about a 6 year old .. but OMG they had 1 year old too? How dumb of them??? He ought to be loooong in bed by then.

    It's extremely dumb to bring a 6 year old too. Aren't his health and good sleep more important than a movie premiere???? I don't get it.
  • Singerar FairLady 2012/07/22 04:40:35
    Singerar
    +2
    Weapons were not worth $20,000. Only 4 guns and ammo.
  • FairLady Singerar 2012/07/22 16:58:26
    FairLady
    +1
    OK... fine ... I believe you.. but he is a student.. usually the students don't have that money even for 4 guns (they are not cheap at all) and ammo.

    Did he work somewhere, or stole the money??? How could he get this money for the 4 guns and ammo, is my question.
  • Singerar FairLady 2012/07/22 23:00:02
    Singerar
    +1
    His family had him in a PHD program! You do the math.
  • FairLady Singerar 2012/07/23 01:02:05
    FairLady
    +1
    True. Thanks for your comment. ;)
  • ★Calliope★ 2012/07/22 00:56:55
    Undecided
    ★Calliope★
    +1
    NO idea why he did it, but boy howdy the press sure did jump in to say it was a tea party'er. Useless bastards. Is there any more doubt in anyone's mind that the media is in the bag for Obama.

    But the fact is - we've come to a sad crossroads. The political mileage Obama and his team will try and make is going to be ugly.
  • Murph 65 2012/07/22 00:43:34
    Undecided
    Murph 65
    +2
    I don't know if the government set this up, not sure I believe in "shadow" conspiracies; at least, not yet. But all good points. I figure by Monday gun control will be everywhere complete with pointing fingers and fists pounding the tables. You are right that if the concealed handgun carry laws were a little more liberal, there may have been a few in the theater to take this guy out as soon as he started shooting and we would not have the massacre.
  • Temlako... Murph 65 2012/07/22 00:49:28
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +5
    Let's be fair to Colorado. In that State you can get a CCW permit easily. It was the dopey theater owner who ruined things. They declared their theaters "gun-free zones." Now see how that worked out. Twelve people dead, forty-nine more wounded (some critically), and a theater out of action for a whole weekend while the biggest blockbuster of the summer is opening. Suh-WEEEEET--hm! Hm--m--m!
  • ★Calliope★ Temlako... 2012/07/22 00:57:34
    ★Calliope★
    +1
    OMG how stupid was that?

    See?
  • Franklin ★Calliope★ 2012/07/22 02:25:45
    Franklin
    +2
    funny how a no gun policy never works isn't it ? LOL
  • ★Calliope★ Franklin 2012/07/22 14:09:10
    ★Calliope★
    Never is it more glaringly apparent as when people die.
  • Franklin ★Calliope★ 2012/07/23 11:39:23
    Franklin
    +1
    yes but like all things liberal they will keep trying to ban guns and they will always use anything and everything as an excuse ...even if they have to set their own members up to do it like this little occutard -
  • Murph 65 Temlako... 2012/07/22 14:59:33
    Murph 65
    Were I the theater owner, I would not be sleeping at all well and just may sleep well again. What completely gets me is that everyone, and I do mean everyone from the pres right on down to the lowliest of us commoners, knows that if the criminal element was not sure that they were the only ones around with a gun, they may decide to not take the risk sometimes. And if they did take the risk, maybe one of us would be able to stop them and save the police a lot of time and effort, the judicial system a lot of money, a few victims some major indignity, loss of property, and maybe even their lives.
  • FairLady Murph 65 2012/07/22 16:59:39
    FairLady
    +1
    Good points.
  • Murph 65 FairLady 2012/07/22 17:10:24
    Murph 65
    +1
    Thanks. I do get on the testy side about the attacks on our being able to keep our guns. Like they really believe it's all of us honest, law-abiding, protect our home, our families and our persons that are creating the "problem" with the use of guns to KILL PEOPLE! Just tell me who I can whap up side the head or smack with my cane, please, and I will run right over and get 'er done! :)
  • Michael S. 2012/07/22 00:42:17 (edited)
    No set-up; he did this on his own, including the weapons training.
    Michael S.
    +2
    I don't mean to say there's absolutely no chance this was a "setup" of some sort, but there's currently no evidence that James Holmes is an MK ULTRA (or similar) project, and it would take a large amount of evidence to make me believe it.

    I see nothing particularly suspicious to issues 1 and 2: The media and politicians have long been opportunists eager to capitalize on a crisis, but I haven't seen any red flags that they really knew too much too quickly (such as after the JFK assassination) or anything like that.

    Most of issue 3 can be answered pretty simply. A guy this crazy and dedicated is, well...pretty crazy and dedicated. He may have used school loan money (or something similar) for the guns, or he may have had access to college fund money or something similar, and his high level of intelligence and sophistication led him to go "all out." Instead of just shooting people up and committing suicide by cop and letting that be the end, he wanted to kill anyone investigating his apartment afterward too. As someone else in another poll mentioned, it seems he had quite the Joker complex, so it makes sense that he was twisted enough to deliberately create more chaos and fear even after his death.

    The fact that he surrendered is actually more indicative to me of cowardice than ...
    I don't mean to say there's absolutely no chance this was a "setup" of some sort, but there's currently no evidence that James Holmes is an MK ULTRA (or similar) project, and it would take a large amount of evidence to make me believe it.

    I see nothing particularly suspicious to issues 1 and 2: The media and politicians have long been opportunists eager to capitalize on a crisis, but I haven't seen any red flags that they really knew too much too quickly (such as after the JFK assassination) or anything like that.

    Most of issue 3 can be answered pretty simply. A guy this crazy and dedicated is, well...pretty crazy and dedicated. He may have used school loan money (or something similar) for the guns, or he may have had access to college fund money or something similar, and his high level of intelligence and sophistication led him to go "all out." Instead of just shooting people up and committing suicide by cop and letting that be the end, he wanted to kill anyone investigating his apartment afterward too. As someone else in another poll mentioned, it seems he had quite the Joker complex, so it makes sense that he was twisted enough to deliberately create more chaos and fear even after his death.

    The fact that he surrendered is actually more indicative to me of cowardice than anything else...I think he went in expecting to die, then realized he had more time than he expected and tried to use it to escape. Once he was surrounded and realized he could make it out alive, I suppose he just took the opportunity. That reinforces that he was someone acting under his own volition, rather than acting as some disposable brainwashed intelligence psy-ops asset...but then again, it's still technically possible that he had help from shadowy elements that he's in no position to substantially implicate. I just don't see evidence for it at this point. There's also practically no chance that he's a non-brainwashed intelligence asset who was carrying out orders with full comprehension: If he were, he would know too much to be captured alive...he would have either been killed or helped to escape.
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  • Temlako... Michael S. 2012/07/22 00:50:51
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +2
    Asset? Liability, you mean.
  • Michael S. Temlako... 2012/07/22 00:55:45
    Michael S.
    +1
    Hahaha...I'm not familiar with how the CIA and similar organizations due their accounting, but I suppose they might categorize assets and liabilities depending on which stage of an operation they're currently at. ;)
  • Prairie Wind 2012/07/22 00:40:29
    Yes, and terrorists set this up to hit us at the movies.
    Prairie Wind
  • Franklin Prairie... 2012/07/22 02:27:26
    Franklin
    +1
    nice pair but the left one is bigger than the right ....LOL
  • Prairie... Franklin 2012/07/22 05:32:26
    Prairie Wind
    Is her wrist closer to the camera? LOL
  • Franklin Prairie... 2012/07/22 13:44:22
    Franklin
    +1
    funny thing is the right one is a 9mm and the left is 45 while her right boob is a full cup size larger than the left ...its very distracting ! LOL

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