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McCain's Great Grand Father was a Slave Owner, and his black family doesn't know if they are going to support him. Why do you think?

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Some of McCain's black relatives support Obama
BY ELGIN JONES
In the rural Teoc community of Carroll County, Miss., where the ancestors of Sen. John McCain owned enslaved Africans on a plantation, black, white and mixed-race family members unite every two years for their Coming Home Reunion, on the land where the plantation operated.

Some of McCain’s black family members say they are not sure exactly where they fall on the family tree, but they do know this: They are either descendants of the McCain family slaves, or of children the McCains fathered with their slaves.

White and black members of the McCain family have met on the plantation several times over the last 15 years, but one invited guest has been conspicuously absent: Sen. John Sidney McCain.

“Why he hasn’t come is anybody’s guess,” said Charles McCain Jr., 60, a distant cousin of John McCain who is black. “I think the best I can come up with, is that he doesn’t have time, or he has just distanced himself, or it doesn’t mean that much to him.”

Other relatives are not as generous.

Lillie McCain, 56, another distant cousin of John McCain who is black, said the Republican presidential nominee is trying to hide his past, and refuses to accept the family’s history.

“After hearing him in 2000 claim his family never owned slaves, I sent him an email,” she recalled. “I told him no matter how much he denies it, it will not make it untrue, and he should accept this and embrace it.”

She said the senator never responded to her email.

Although Charles is uncertain who will get his vote for president, several of John McCain’s black and white relatives are supporting his Democratic rival, Sen. Barack Obama.

“I am absolutely supporting Obama, and it’s not because he’s black. It’s because he is the best person at this time in our history,” said Lillie McCain, a professor of psychology at Mott Community College in Flint, Michigan.

“We simply need to look at the economy, and McCain’s campaign does not take us there,” said Joyce McCain, Lillie’s sister, a retired engineering manager with General Motors who lives in Grand Blanc, Michigan. “He is my cousin, but we are in dire times right now and people are hurting. Sen. Obama is clearly the best choice to be president.’’

Charles McCain and his wife, Theresa, who still live in Teoc, started the reunions over a decade ago. Charles is the deacon of Mitchell Springs Baptist Church, the only black house of worship in the area.

When Theresa McCain started the family reunions in the late 1980s or early ‘90s (neither he nor his wife is sure of the exact starting date), only black family members attended. But as word spread about the gatherings, white members of the McCain family got involved. Today, the reunion has expanded to the point where it is becoming a community event.

The reunion’s website, teocfamilyreunion.ning.com, has pictures, postings and other information about the family gatherings. While Sen. McCain’s brother, Joe, and many of his other white relatives attend the reunions, family members say Sen. McCain has never acknowledged them, or even responded to their invitations.

“Well, a lot of the people who had moved away and were living up north, would send money to help us maintain the church,” said Theresa McCain, 62. “Myself and others began inviting them back home for picnics, just to show our appreciation.”

The McCain campaign did not respond to repeated questions about John McCain’s black relatives, or about his relatives of both races who support Obama. Pablo Carrillo, a media liaison with the McCain campaign, said the senator was aware of his African-American relatives, but asked the reporter to put his questions into writing, and that someone would get back to him.

After the reporter sent questions in writing, and made repeated follow-up phone calls, neither Sen. McCain nor anyone else from the campaign responded.

Based on information obtained by the South Florida Times, the senator has numerous black and mixed-raced relatives who were born on, or in, the area of the McCain plantation. The mixed races in the family can be traced back to the rural Teoc community of Carroll County, Miss., where his family owned slaves.

Sen. John McCain’s great, great grandfather, William Alexander McCain (1812-1863), fought for the Confederacy and owned a 2,000-acre plantation named Waverly in Teoc. The family dealt in the slave trade, and, according to official records, held at least 52 slaves on the family’s plantation. The enslaved Africans were likely used as servants, for labor, and for breeding more slaves.

William McCain’s son, and Sen. John McCain’s great grandfather, John Sidney McCain (1851-1934), eventually assumed the duty of running the family’s plantation.

W.A. “Bill” McCain IV, a white McCain cousin, and his wife Edwina, are the current owners of the land. Both told the South Florida Times that they attend the reunions. They also said the McCain campaign had asked them not to speak to the media about the reunions, or about why the senator has never acknowledged the family gatherings.

In addition to distancing himself from his black family members, John McCain has taken several positions on issues that have put him at odds with members of the larger black community.

While running for the Republican Party nomination in 2000, he sided with protesters who were calling for the rebel battle flag to be removed from the South Carolina statehouse, only to alter that position later.

"Some view it as a symbol of slavery. Others view it as a symbol of heritage,” John McCain said of the flag. "Personally, I see the battle flag as a symbol of heritage. I have ancestors who have fought for the Confederacy, none of whom owned slaves. I believe they fought honorably.’’

Novelist Elizabeth Spencer, another white cousin of John McCain, noted the slaves the family owned in the family’s memoirs, Landscapes of the Heart. Sen. McCain has acknowledged reading the book, but claims to have only glossed over entries about their slaves.

“That’s crazy,” said Spencer, who also attends the reunions in Teoc. “No one had to tell us, because we all knew about the slaves. I may not vote, because I don’t want anyone to think that I have an issue with John, but I don’t want to see him become president because I think Obama is entirely adequate, and it’s time for a Democrat.’’

Spencer acknowledged donating money to the Obama campaign and to what she called “Democratic causes.”

Sen. John McCain was born in 1936 at the Coco Solo Naval Air Station, a segregated military installation in the Panama Canal, where his father was stationed in the U.S. Navy. His family returned to the states shortly after his birth; where he went on to attend segregated schools in the Teoc community and elsewhere around the country.

He served in the Navy, where he was a prisoner of war during Vietnam, before being released and eventually running for Congress.

After he was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1982, McCain voted against the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. national holiday in 1983. When he arrived in the U.S. Senate in 1986, he joined North Carolina Sen. Jesse Helms in opposing the holiday again, and voted in 1994 to cut funding to the commission that marketed it.

John McCain also aligned himself with former Arizona Gov. Evan Mecham.

Mecham was the governor in McCain’s home state of Arizona from January 1987 to April 1988, when he was impeached and removed from office for campaign finance violations. As a state senator and governor, Mecham publicly used racial slurs against black people and other minorities. He was also a member of the John Birch Society, which opposes civil rights legislation. In 1986, Mecham campaigned for governor on a promise to rescind the state’s recognition of the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. holiday, which he did in 1987.

Earlier this year, during the 40th anniversary recognition of King’s assassination, McCain, by this time a presidential candidate, said he was wrong for opposing the national King holiday.

Politics in America has long been steeped in the dynamics of the country’s myriad cultures, diverse ethnicities, and varying religious beliefs. Several of Sen. McCain’s black relatives say Obama’s candidacy represents progress.

“He is denying his black and white relatives in Teoc,” said Joyce McCain, 54. “I think he may not want the country to know his family’s full history, but times have changed and we need to move on, and that’s why I’m supporting Obama.”

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Photo: Lillie McCain, left, and her husband, Jack Vickers, right, pose with Joe McCain, center, during this year’s family reunion.
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  • Rose for Equal Pay 2008/10/22 14:35:10
    Dang, I didn't know this
    Rose for Equal Pay
    +15
    It's so crazy to me that some of hte people who have responded to this are not even addressing what the article is about. Yes, his family owned slaves once. Many white families owned slaves. That's not the problem. Nobody's asking anyone to be sorry for his grandfather's horrible decisions (NO I will not call them mistakes). It's the fact that McCain won't even take part in the reunion, after he's been personally invited. It's just makes it more apparent that McCain is not interested in black people, even when they are his own relatives. The fact that the campaign even asked them to not speak about the reunions is dishonorable. Sure, I hope that all of America is ashamed of the slavery that haunts our past. However, denial is not an option. McCain is definitely a subscriber to denial.

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  • phil 2008/11/02 20:47:51
    McCain is My Man
    phil
    +1
    you are turning your socialism issues into race issues
  • Deanna 2008/11/02 05:50:02
    McCain is My Man
    Deanna
    +2
    If my ancestor shot a person should I be punished?

    Thats flippin ridiculous...should blacks get repirations? HELL NO.

    It was over a 100 years ago. GET OVER IT.
  • Black&B... Deanna 2008/11/02 12:03:04
    Black&Beautiful
    If you ancestor took away something that you recieve benefits from you should be responsible to give it back with interest.
  • Deanna Black&B... 2008/11/02 15:13:55
    Deanna
    +1
    If my ancestors owned slaves 150 years ago..what benefits exactly am I receiving.
  • Black&B... Deanna 2008/11/02 15:21:09
    Black&Beautiful
    economic profitablity from free labor.
  • Deanna Black&B... 2008/11/02 15:26:31
    Deanna
    +1
    Oh get off the gas. I have no idea if my ancestors owned slaves or not but that is not my issue to deal with. Economic profitability? My parents made their own way with no "inheritence of economic profitability". And now me and my husband our making our own way. Whatever "economic profitability" my ancestors may have earned died along time ago. As did slavery. So move it on down the road....
  • Black&B... Deanna 2008/11/02 15:39:47
    Black&Beautiful
    It doesn't matter if your ancestors owned slaves or not, it matters that all white people have benefited from free labor from slaves.
  • Deanna Black&B... 2008/11/02 15:42:58
    Deanna
    +1
    Yes slavery was bad... yes it never should have happened...but can't go changing history now.

    And you think blacks deserve money for their ancestors that they never knew being slaves?

    Then I guess we need to pay off the Indians for taking their land... need to pay Japanese for putting them in prison camps during WWII....

    You don't think with all the problems America has there is better things to do with our tax dollars?
  • Black&B... Deanna 2008/11/02 16:03:28
    Black&Beautiful
    We seem to not be LEARNING from history. That is the problem. Got to go.
  • Deanna Black&B... 2008/11/02 16:04:33
    Deanna
    +1
    Yeah... we have not accomplished anything in the way of race relations in the last 150 years. Give me a break.
  • Black&B... Deanna 2008/11/02 21:05:18
    Black&Beautiful
    Really, you not aware of your surroundings.
  • stormy 2008/10/31 01:49:26 (edited)
    McCain is My Man
    stormy
    +2
    Does not matter to me. He is not responsible for his great grandfather being a slave-owner. Get real people. Obamas affiliations are much more despicable than John's non-affilation. Ya'll are grasping at something, ANYTHING to harp on, in an attempt to make McCain appear as contemptable as Obama Hussein is. Please. BTW..if Obama has already won, according to all of his supporters, why all this debate on SH about his ancestry-I have family members that I want no part of too. Obama-Odinga...Hmmm obama won supporters debate sh ancestry-i family members obama-odinga hmmm
  • Alt 2008/10/30 02:00:42
    McCain is My Man
    Alt
    +1
    GIVE ME A FU*KING BREAK!

    Just one quick “Spreading the Wealth” Question:

    Lets say your son worked hard and earned an “A” in his class, but the other
    students didn’t study as hard and earned “C”s.

    Would you want the teacher to take his “A” away, “spread it around” to give
    the other students a “C+” and then give him a “C+”?

    That is exactly what “spreading the wealth around” does…

    Hard work is punished, laziness is rewarded.

    SOCIALISM at it’s best…



    TO ALL MY FRIENDS....LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE...FYI only.
    George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years.
    The first six the economy was fine.
    A little over one year ago:
    1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
    2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
    3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
    4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
    5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations
    overseas, living large!...

    But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a
    Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST
    YEAR:
    1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
    2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
    3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
    4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION
    DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
    5) 1% of American...


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    ''


    '''
    GIVE ME A FU*KING BREAK!

    Just one quick “Spreading the Wealth” Question:

    Lets say your son worked hard and earned an “A” in his class, but the other
    students didn’t study as hard and earned “C”s.

    Would you want the teacher to take his “A” away, “spread it around” to give
    the other students a “C+” and then give him a “C+”?

    That is exactly what “spreading the wealth around” does…

    Hard work is punished, laziness is rewarded.

    SOCIALISM at it’s best…



    TO ALL MY FRIENDS....LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE...FYI only.
    George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years.
    The first six the economy was fine.
    A little over one year ago:
    1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
    2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
    3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
    4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
    5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations
    overseas, living large!...

    But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a
    Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST
    YEAR:
    1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
    2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
    3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
    4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION
    DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
    5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
    6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low
    $2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS
    & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!

    YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT! ...

    REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.

    AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

    NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDEN T CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE
    US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!

    JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?


    'If we ever forget that we're One Nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under'....Ronald Reagan
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  • Anouser 2008/10/27 21:33:13 (edited)
    They think Slavery was wrong, and McCain doesn't want to recongnize his black...
    Anouser
    Wait. They harass Obama about being a Muslim (nothing wrong with that) terrorist with African ancestry, but act as if this is nothing? Lol.

    That's why he hates Obama...it runs in his genes. T_T

    Yeah, I knew about this way back.
  • O-America Anouser 2008/10/31 20:59:16
    O-America
    LIKE HITLER HATED THE JEWS BUT HAD JEWISH BLOOD!

    HITLER TRIED TO BUILD AN ARIAN RACE, TALL, BLOND AND BLUE EYED.
    HITLER WAS NOT TALL, NOT BLOND AND NOT BLUE-EYED!

    OXYMORONS!

    HITLER'S MACHIAVELLIAN "STRAIGHT TALK EXPRESS"!
    hitler tall blond blue-eyed oxymorons hitlers machiavellian straight talk express
  • Radlad 2008/10/27 10:10:30
    McCain's not Black Enough
    Radlad
    +1
    .......his great grand dad was a slave owner? I think you missed a generation or two. So now we have johnny responsible for stuff his great grand daddy suppositly did.. ..................

    ...................Ya'all have a serious confidence problem don't you...........................?
  • Black&B... Radlad 2008/10/27 10:11:29
    Black&Beautiful
    +2
    It explains why he has issues.
  • Radlad Black&B... 2008/10/28 21:01:04
    Radlad
    mccain or B.O.?
  • Black&B... Radlad 2008/10/28 21:02:44
    Black&Beautiful
    +1
    mccain
  • Anouser Radlad 2008/10/27 21:35:02
    Anouser
    +1
    Just as Americans in fear of Obama because of his middle name. September 11, 2001 happens and all Muslims are suddenly bad people...give me a break.
  • Radlad Anouser 2008/10/28 21:02:13
    Radlad
    +1
    I thought B.O. was a Christian.......................
  • Anouser Radlad 2008/10/28 21:06:30
    Anouser
    +1
    According to America, he's Muslim because of his middle name.
  • Radlad Anouser 2008/10/29 09:54:38
    Radlad
    So, B.O. is a liar is what you are telling me. For 20 years he went to a Christian church. He has stated he's a Christian. So he's a liar. A very dishonest person. Doesn't sound like a person to be trusted in the least. Which is the reason why he shouldn't be president.......................
  • Anouser Radlad 2008/10/29 15:49:26
    Anouser
    +1
    I believe he's Christian, but Caucasian paranoia titles him as a Muslim.
  • Radlad Anouser 2008/10/29 21:41:22
    Radlad
    ...........he probably is. Considering how many slips of the tongue he's had.............
  • i-love politics 2008/10/27 01:31:14
    Dang, I didn't know this
    i-love politics
    A lot of people still don't know who Obama really is, or what he wants to do — and so are still not altogether sure that Obama is the proper antidote to George Bush. After more than a year of campaigning, Obama still remains an enigma.

    Race - an issue?

    Obama promised to be the post-racial candidate who would bring us together. But when asked in March 2004 whether he attended regularly the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ, Obama boasted: "Yep. Every week. Eleven o'clock service."

    Mr. Obama - STOP LYING.

    church christ obama boasted yep week oclock service obama lying
  • Black&B... i-love ... 2008/10/27 01:33:12
    Black&Beautiful
    +1
    The only people who don't know who Obama really is are the ignoramouses that can't see past the color of his skin to do their research and watch the debates.
  • phil Black&B... 2008/11/02 20:56:28
    phil
    +1
    you are ignorant and racist.
  • NurseyP... i-love ... 2008/10/27 18:18:01
    NurseyPaola
    +2
    Come on, let's get REAL! Like McCain says the truth? Please! McBush is the biggest liar of them all!
  • sandifla 2008/10/27 00:57:43 (edited)
    McCain is My Man
    sandifla
    +1
    It doesn't really matter what background, race or country our President comes from. Most of American's, except the American Indian's, are from another country! That's what makes this country great, the diversity!

    If you are making this election about race I feel sorry for you!

    McCain/Palin 2008
  • Black&B... sandifla 2008/10/27 01:06:05
    Black&Beautiful
    Condoleezza Rice is very intelligent and she is voting for Barack Obama. Since you admire her. You should follow her lead.
  • sandifla Black&B... 2008/10/27 01:19:49 (edited)
    sandifla
    Do we really know on Election Day who she will pencil in as president?

    WoW, you must be Psychic

    election pencil president wow sychic!
  • Black&B... sandifla 2008/10/27 01:22:53
    Black&Beautiful
    sure, we will see soon enough.
  • Truth Black&B... 2008/11/01 11:39:19
    Truth
    +1
    (Since you admire her. You should follow her lead.)

    This statement is why you and others get told to stop being sheep. What would it matter if someone who you really admired did something or not. You are an individual and can make decisions on your own. I’m not saying your picking the wrong person or not, but making comments like that will not fend off the republicans from calling you sheep it only enforces them.

    (Condoleezza Rice is very intelligent and she is voting for Barack Obama)
    You know just because you want to win an argument, that doesn’t mean you can make up facts in order to win it.

    Lastly Condoleezza rice has not endorsed either candidate, so saying she is voting for either is moronic and misleading. Its not about her views, she wants to keep her job, (because both candidates have both said she is doing a great job and would welcome her in either administration). Plus keeping her job will also help her in the 2012 election that’s she has said she is thinking about. Think about it, it doesn’t matter for her who wins in 08. If obama wins she gets to run as republican ticket, and if mccain wins she gets to run too, because he probably wouldn’t run for 2 terms hell he might not even be alive. There are a lot of long time republicans that are getting cozy with t...
    (Since you admire her. You should follow her lead.)

    This statement is why you and others get told to stop being sheep. What would it matter if someone who you really admired did something or not. You are an individual and can make decisions on your own. I’m not saying your picking the wrong person or not, but making comments like that will not fend off the republicans from calling you sheep it only enforces them.

    (Condoleezza Rice is very intelligent and she is voting for Barack Obama)
    You know just because you want to win an argument, that doesn’t mean you can make up facts in order to win it.

    Lastly Condoleezza rice has not endorsed either candidate, so saying she is voting for either is moronic and misleading. Its not about her views, she wants to keep her job, (because both candidates have both said she is doing a great job and would welcome her in either administration). Plus keeping her job will also help her in the 2012 election that’s she has said she is thinking about. Think about it, it doesn’t matter for her who wins in 08. If obama wins she gets to run as republican ticket, and if mccain wins she gets to run too, because he probably wouldn’t run for 2 terms hell he might not even be alive. There are a lot of long time republicans that are getting cozy with the obama clan to further their political aspects for the future elections. Never hurts to pick up votes from the other party. Sounds like she would already have yours and she hasn’t even came out for either ticket. Shocking how politics work huh.
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  • Black&B... Truth 2008/11/01 11:55:31
    Black&Beautiful
    She is voting for Senator Obama. Trust me on this one. I was sure on General Powell, and I am absolutely sure on Mrs. Rice.
  • Truth Black&B... 2008/11/01 14:20:25 (edited)
    Truth
    I am sure we will not see the same way on this nor will we ever know until 2012 but I’m sure she will vote with her best political interests and not for anything else. And I’m sure she will vote with her ticket to confirm her in 2012. But again I’m sure we are not going to agree. I would like to know why you think that way. Citing Gen. powell voting for obama for anything other than a job in who he thinks is going to win's cabinet. Bush tarnished Gen. powells record so it makes some since to jump sides to correct his failed trust in bush. You know if that had not happened that way Gen. powell would probably be running and not mccain. And all democratic would be at Gen. powells neck saying he was pobush or bushwell. What I’m saying is he is not only strengthening his political aspects voting for obama but also correcting his misfortunes with bush. Gen. Powell is a leader not a follower Ive met the man when I was stationed over in the sand trap. He is a very intelligent man but I believe you are confusing him with a normal person, he is a politician and they by nature make moves in order to place them selves where they want to be. If he had chosen mccain then obama would have condemned him to be a forever bushman and further hurting his political future aspects allowing future de...
    I am sure we will not see the same way on this nor will we ever know until 2012 but I’m sure she will vote with her best political interests and not for anything else. And I’m sure she will vote with her ticket to confirm her in 2012. But again I’m sure we are not going to agree. I would like to know why you think that way. Citing Gen. powell voting for obama for anything other than a job in who he thinks is going to win's cabinet. Bush tarnished Gen. powells record so it makes some since to jump sides to correct his failed trust in bush. You know if that had not happened that way Gen. powell would probably be running and not mccain. And all democratic would be at Gen. powells neck saying he was pobush or bushwell. What I’m saying is he is not only strengthening his political aspects voting for obama but also correcting his misfortunes with bush. Gen. Powell is a leader not a follower Ive met the man when I was stationed over in the sand trap. He is a very intelligent man but I believe you are confusing him with a normal person, he is a politician and they by nature make moves in order to place them selves where they want to be. If he had chosen mccain then obama would have condemned him to be a forever bushman and further hurting his political future aspects allowing future democratic rivals to tie him to being the bush flavor. What amazes me the most is that democrats are cheering Gen. powell as an American hero for picking obama but what he said was he agreed with mccain on most politics but not in the way he is running his campaign. So that’s like him saying although he doesn’t believe in obamas politics he like how he’s running his campaign. It’s a bit of strategy and more like chess than checkers. He isn’t jumping one thing to only do nothing and stop, he is thinking 5 moves ahead and placing his pieces in the right locations to win. Again I know we aren’t going to share the same opinions but I know how he thinks and of course I’m a chess player too. One more thing if Gen. powell had not gotten in the mess with bush and was the republican ticket and mccain had came out for obama then mccain would have be thought of as a great man and a true American hero among democrats. But I see a lot of democrats on these polls saying mccain has no honor and deserves no respect for what he did for this country when he has givin more than most. It must be difficult to love you country and devote your life to it and not be able to salute the flag of your country, because of how many times your arms were broken in POWs camps. I personally believe mccain and Gen. powell are American heroes no matter what their politics are, but for their service to the country they have loved and defended.
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  • Black&B... Truth 2008/11/01 16:52:33
    Black&Beautiful
    If McCain was popular with the people he would the same thing that Senator Obama has done. I think you should stop whining.
  • Truth Black&B... 2008/11/01 17:36:53 (edited)
    Truth
    Who is whining? wow I thought I was talking with someone intelligent on a topic that we were discussing but I guess you mislead me into believing I could have an intelligent conversation with you. By the way the whining comment I’m guessing was meant for a republican and I am an independent ,so what I was talking about wasn’t my party’s political gains or losses, it was the idea of how things turn out. I think you should not perceive people who disagree with you, as anything other than someone who just disagrees with you. You don’t have to be a republican to disagree with democrats nor do you have to be democrat to disagree with republicans.

    One more thing what does (If McCain was popular with the people he would the same thing that Senator Obama has done.) mean? And what does popularity have to do with your political views, shockingly enough you can be good on politics and not be thought of as a rock star or um god like figure.
  • Black&B... Truth 2008/11/01 17:48:37
    Black&Beautiful
    Truth, you are an independent with a neo con leaning. You might as well be a straight neo con.
  • Truth Black&B... 2008/11/01 19:46:07
    Truth
    Why because I don’t agree with you or because I think outside the box. There is a difference between you and I. I can see everything going on and comment on it on both sides, but you have blinders on to outside you own view and if I disagree with you then I must be a republican. Face it I am a independent thinker and don’t go with the flow and I can think for myself in order to view the problems, differences, solutions. You make me out to be someone or something I’m not for merely having a different view or not totally agreeing with your view. Its not like I said anything bad about mccain or obama. You are the one who is acting offended because I told the truth, that all politicians no matter whether its Gen. powell or rice each have their own political agenda and its not always what you think it is. Trying to link me to the Republican Party is moronic and unjustified. So to put it strait, we disagree with each other and nothing more. If you can’t deal with me not kissing your ass and following your lead then I feel sorry for you but on the bright side, your well on your way to having a great career in politics with the mind set you have shown in your responses to me. Good luck to ya…
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