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Maryland Lesbian Denied Communion At Mother's Funeral by Homophobic Priest, Is he a Hero or a Zero?

American☆Atheist 2012/03/04 06:16:08
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Usually when you hear a story about priests is it about them raping young boys, but not today. This priest decided to tone it down a notch and just be a homophobe at a lesbian's mother's funeral.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/02/barbara-johnson-mary...

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  • Atmara 2012/03/04 07:16:50
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    Atmara
    +6
    Everyone should know that if you are Catholic you dont get communion unless you confess what a dirty slut you are or you must let the priest fondle your child's penis.

    Its the only way!

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  • Swampdog 2012/06/20 15:29:43
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    Swampdog
    The priest was jealous because she is more of a man than he is.
  • nenenae 2012/06/20 00:32:25
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    nenenae
    +1
    Pity judge yee least yee b judge
  • Kimmel 2012/06/19 21:20:42
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    Kimmel
    I have my own issues with the Catholic church, but realisticly, if she is an active Catholic, she could get communion at her own church. If not, what does she care?
  • poet4justice 2012/06/19 15:19:30
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    poet4justice
    Ok, commonion is for all including for Judas
    2.Matthew 26:26
    While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
    Matthew 26:25-27 (in Context) Matthew 26 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    3.Mark 14:22
    While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.”
    Mark 14:21-23 (in Context) Mark 14 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    4.Luke 22:19
    And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
    Luke 22:18-20 (in Context) Luke 22 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    5.1 Corinthians 11:24
    and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
    1 Corinthians 11:23-25 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 11 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

    CAn anybody tell me wher this woman you should not partake in her communion.
  • Bob DiN 2012/06/19 14:31:14
    hero, how dare the woman expect to be treated equally at her mother's funeral.
    Bob DiN
    The church has the right to enforce scripture. Many church do not condone perversion.
  • poet4ju... Bob DiN 2012/06/19 15:24:56
    poet4justice
    +1
    then this is not my church and absolutely not the church of Jesus and you are tossing the first stone.
  • irish -liberty or death! 2012/06/19 12:46:57
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    irish -liberty or death!
    +1
    very poor representative of this god guy isn't he?
  • U-Dog 2012/06/19 10:23:03
    hero, how dare the woman expect to be treated equally at her mother's funeral.
    U-Dog
    +2
    Neither hero nor zero, the priest did not seek her out, the woman approached the priest knowing that she was asking him to go against his own belief system. It sounds to me like this woman needs to look for a church/religion which is more compatible with her values.
  • irish -... U-Dog 2012/06/19 12:49:00
    irish -liberty or death!
    hello! she was at her mother's funeral?? is that a clue? and how would he know her sexual orientation anyway? and why would it matter? so if he is a homophobe and can't be a compassionate rep of this god guy,can doctor's also follow their own beliefs and deny people treatment and care based on their beliefs?
  • U-Dog irish -... 2012/06/19 19:42:34
    U-Dog
    +1
    How would I know how he found out what her sexual orientation was and why would that even matter? The fact is sexual preference does matter to some people, they believe it is sin. Why should others not tolerant that belief and or feel the need to force their personal views onto others in society... Like it or not, so long as people are not picking others pockets or breaking their legs, belief remains a two way street within the context of a free civil society.

    Also, the priest is not a doctor just as an apple is not an orange; plus the doctor is not being forced by the government to go against their beliefs in order to harm life.
  • irish -... U-Dog 2012/06/19 19:51:08
    irish -liberty or death!
    she wasn't forcing her beliefs on anyone. she was at her MOTHERS funeral! is the priest not forcing his beliefs on her? yes he is. as a rep of their god ,where is his tolerance and love of all god's creatures?
    it doesn't matter,the priest is wrong to be judging. don't they teach only god can judge?? yes they do.
  • U-Dog irish -... 2012/06/19 22:52:50
    U-Dog
    She was irrationally asking and wanting his approval and sanction which -- according to his own value stystem -- he is unable to provide and not being an accessory to what he judges as sin is not a condemnation of the individual. It is simply following his sense of morality-- right or wrong.

    Try being a litle more objective next time instead of letting your dislike for a belief system blind you to right and wrong. He did not seek her out to condemn her, she approached wanting him to do something she had no good right or rational reason to expect that he would or could do given his chosen beliefs.
  • irish -... U-Dog 2012/06/20 12:19:19
    irish -liberty or death!
    wrong,totally wrong. it is NOT his place to judge or condemn and apparently even the arch diocese agrees with me! wrong,he DID single her out! and is out of a job now. self righteous behavior is not acceptable in a priest!

    A Maryland priest who denied communion to a lesbian at her mother's funeral has been placed on leave, according to the Roman Catholic archdiocese.



    A letter from an archdiocese official said that the Rev. Marcel Guarnizo was placed on leave for engaging in intimidating behavior, according to NBCWashington.com. The archdiocese had previously apologized for Guarnizo’s behavior.

    The letter was read at all Masses this weekend at St. John Neumann, according to The Washington Post. The pastor there, the Rev. Thomas LaHood, said the removal was not related to the communion standoff, but "pertains to actions over the past week or two." He did not elaborate.
    Barbara Johnson, the woman who was denied the communion, had asked the archdiocese to remove the priest. Johnson’s family says they hope that action will ensure that others will not suffer the same treatment.

    Read full report from NBCWashington.com

    On Feb. 25, Johnson attended her mom's funeral at the St. John Neumann Catholic Church in Gaithersburg, Md., with her partner.

    When it came time to ha...







    wrong,totally wrong. it is NOT his place to judge or condemn and apparently even the arch diocese agrees with me! wrong,he DID single her out! and is out of a job now. self righteous behavior is not acceptable in a priest!

    A Maryland priest who denied communion to a lesbian at her mother's funeral has been placed on leave, according to the Roman Catholic archdiocese.



    A letter from an archdiocese official said that the Rev. Marcel Guarnizo was placed on leave for engaging in intimidating behavior, according to NBCWashington.com. The archdiocese had previously apologized for Guarnizo’s behavior.

    The letter was read at all Masses this weekend at St. John Neumann, according to The Washington Post. The pastor there, the Rev. Thomas LaHood, said the removal was not related to the communion standoff, but "pertains to actions over the past week or two." He did not elaborate.
    Barbara Johnson, the woman who was denied the communion, had asked the archdiocese to remove the priest. Johnson’s family says they hope that action will ensure that others will not suffer the same treatment.

    Read full report from NBCWashington.com

    On Feb. 25, Johnson attended her mom's funeral at the St. John Neumann Catholic Church in Gaithersburg, Md., with her partner.

    When it came time to hand out bread and wine, Guarnizo “issued a strong admonition that only Catholics in a state of grace can receive communion,” Johnson told msnbc.com.

    “I went up. I was standing next to my mother’s casket and he covered the bowl, and said, ‘I cannot give you communion because you are with a woman, and in the eyes of the church, that is a sin.’ I stood there with my mouth open in a state of shock for – I don’t know how long,” she said.

    As the final insult, Guarnizo failed to attend her mother’s burial, Guarnizo said. “When the funeral home director appears, he says, ‘Father Marcel has taken ill. He says he has a migraine and is unable to accompany your mother’s remains to the cemetery.’ This was, for me and my family, his most egregious act.”

    The Diocese of Washington sent a letter of apology within days, saying the priest's behavior wasn't correct.

    “When questions arise about whether or not an individual should present themselves for communion, it is not the policy of the Archdiocese of Washington to publicly reprimand the person,” the statement said. “Any issues regarding the suitability of an individual to receive communion should be addressed by the priest with that person in a private, pastoral setting.”
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  • U-Dog irish -... 2012/06/20 13:47:01 (edited)
    U-Dog
    You know, if the facts show that the priest was the aggressor then it is he who is in the wrong but my argument here was based solely on the slim facts originally presented in THIS post. As I stated all along, IF the woman knowingly and aggressively went out of her way, for whatever reason, to place the priest and the church in an embarrassing position -- where he was unable to approve of her values -- then it would be her own fault for doing so. If it is true that the priest acted inappropriately and went out of his way to bait her into a bad position and then rudely abused her by using her to make some cheap "moral" example then he was obviously in the wrong.

    My point from the beginning was that the aggressor -- whomever it may be -- is wrong and the facts first presented here did not clearly indicate who that aggressor was. I was simply playing devil's advocate in this forum and unwilling to follow the tide of cheap assumptions.

    ...And If trying to be objective and reasonable about things is "wrong,totally wrong." where you are from then I really don't want to live there.
  • irish -... U-Dog 2012/06/20 13:54:35
    irish -liberty or death!
    there was NO aggressor! if you were trying to be objective and reasonable would you have made the assertions you did about aggression? i don't think so.
    there was no aggressor,that is where you made your mistake. it was about a priest being petty and forgetting what it is his religion preaches. love and tolerance and forgiveness. it was the priest who lacks empathy and compassion who was in the wrong. the woman was grieving for her mother. and he only wanted to push his agenda of intolerance.
  • U-Dog irish -... 2012/06/20 19:16:47
    U-Dog
    Someone had to instigate something or there would be no wrong doing at all. Perhaps contentious bully would be better words for it but it is still just a milder form of aggression-- which by definition does not necessitate actual physical force being used.

    I made the correct assertion that there was not enough proof available in the original post to call the priest guilty and or to assume that the woman was totally innocent and I presented that case. And upon your presentation of more evidence I agreed with you that the priest does appear to be in the wrong-- which is certainly real jerkish, mean and rude of me... so thanks for pointing that out friend.

    However, if you want to insist on questioning my integrity or play some more word silly games you feel free to do it all on your own, I am tired of this argument over a rude priest and a sensitive lesbian that I probably wouldn't give two dry rat turds about in the real world.

    Perhaps you can call me insensitive or something... or correct me and tell how "jerkish" and "turd" aren't real words, hmmm?
  • irish -... U-Dog 2012/06/21 12:15:43
    irish -liberty or death!
    nope.
  • JacquelineZote 2012/06/19 10:21:40
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    JacquelineZote
    +1
    Nobody's perfect... We are all equal before God no matter how much we humans think that one person has sinned so the priest was not right to single out the woman. Last sunday, in our church, a lesbian was the chosen preacher.
  • Vijay Pawar 2012/06/19 09:22:55
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    Vijay Pawar
    The crowd that is present a important aspect as if crowd agains't the priest he can be beaten,he should be neutral in public, whatever beliefs he may have. This proves the impact of the religion that has been forced on.
  • NEVER FORGET, NEVER FORGIVE... 2012/06/19 08:53:34
  • irish -... NEVER F... 2012/06/19 12:50:20
    irish -liberty or death!
    why not?
  • mandyin... NEVER F... 2012/06/19 22:14:48 (edited)
    mandyinabox
    being gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender is not a choice; even if it were, i can't see why ppl have to make such a big deal over it! you obviously feel strongly about this story, but whether or not she "chooses" to be lesbian is completely irrelevant to this issue and does not make her life worth any less than someone else.
    top 10 reasons gay
  • rusty l... NEVER F... 2012/06/20 01:42:27
  • NEVER F... rusty l... 2012/06/20 02:24:53
  • mandyinabox 2012/06/07 16:40:32
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    mandyinabox
    +1
    This makes me sick
  • Sofahead 2012/03/05 23:40:49 (edited)
    hero, how dare the woman expect to be treated equally at her mother's funeral.
    Sofahead
    +1
    Actually Nero would be better. This wasn't time or place for either Barbara or the Priest to have done what they did but the Priest should not have acted as he did at this particular moment. Priests are supposed to be in the compassion business.

    Atheists in action with off point slur, "but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)".

    For the record another account of the incident.

    "Rev. Marcel Guarnizo denies Barbara Johnson communion

    A local lesbian woman was denied communion at St. John Neumann Catholic Church in Gaithersburg, Md. during her mother’s funeral service, The Washington Post reported.

    Rev. Marcel Guarnizo learned that Barbara Johnson, 51, is a lesbian right before the service for her mother on Saturday morning. Johnson, a local art studio owner, arrived at the service with her partner.

    After waiting in line for her communion, the priest told Johnson that he would not give her the bread and wine because of her “sin.”

    “He put his hand over the body of Christ and looked at me and said, ‘I can’t give you Communion because you live with a woman, and in the eyes of the church, that is a sin,’ ” Johnson told The Washington Post.

    Guarnizo also left the alter while Johnson was giving her eulogy.

    The Post reported that Johnson received a letter...

    Actually Nero would be better. This wasn't time or place for either Barbara or the Priest to have done what they did but the Priest should not have acted as he did at this particular moment. Priests are supposed to be in the compassion business.

    Atheists in action with off point slur, "but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)".

    For the record another account of the incident.

    "Rev. Marcel Guarnizo denies Barbara Johnson communion

    A local lesbian woman was denied communion at St. John Neumann Catholic Church in Gaithersburg, Md. during her mother’s funeral service, The Washington Post reported.

    Rev. Marcel Guarnizo learned that Barbara Johnson, 51, is a lesbian right before the service for her mother on Saturday morning. Johnson, a local art studio owner, arrived at the service with her partner.

    After waiting in line for her communion, the priest told Johnson that he would not give her the bread and wine because of her “sin.”

    “He put his hand over the body of Christ and looked at me and said, ‘I can’t give you Communion because you live with a woman, and in the eyes of the church, that is a sin,’ ” Johnson told The Washington Post.

    Guarnizo also left the alter while Johnson was giving her eulogy.

    The Post reported that Johnson received a letter of apology late on Tuesday from Rev. Barry Knestout, a high-ranking archdiocese, who said he was “concerned” about the treatment Johnson and her family received."

    http://www.wjla.com/articles/...
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  • Pdavid 2012/03/04 19:48:02
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    Pdavid
    +3
    He could have handled this situation in any number of honorable and decent ways (up to and including finding someone else to perform the service), but instead chose to use this mother's funeral to grandstand and make a statement. What an ass.
  • ChynaP 2012/03/04 19:35:32
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    ChynaP
    +4
    What the hell is wrong with people these days!! regardless or not if she was lesbian, its her mothers funeral!!! Priests are supposed to be a role model im sure God thinks that man is one of his greatest followers.
  • Meg 2012/03/04 18:31:09
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    Meg
    +2
    This issue should have been discussed prior to the service. I don't believe that the priest should have been forced to do something that is against his religious beliefs or teachings, but he could have handled it differently. If he was uncomfortable, he should have been upfront about it, rather than causing turmoil at a funeral. Even more appalling than his refusal to give her communion was his refusal to stay at the altar during the eulogy. Now that is just offensive and uncalled for. I'm not sure why this story has become a media sensation though. If you don't agree with a church, don't go!
  • Anonymo... Meg 2012/03/04 18:35:45
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    Are you suggesting that this woman shouldn't have gone to her mother's funeral?
  • Meg Anonymo... 2012/03/04 20:05:08
    Meg
    Not at all! I am suggesting that people are outraged by the actions of the church, and rightfully so, but no one has the right to call on the church to compromise their religious beliefs. I wasn't referring to the woman; I was speaking in general terms. My point is that if people don't agree with the practices or religious doctrines of an institution, they should not affiliate with that institution. The church has a right to practice their own beliefs. The woman had a very poor experience at the church, so she should probably disaffiliate herself from that church. To be clear, I was referring to the people who are calling on the church to change its practices.
  • Anonymo... Meg 2012/03/04 22:05:08
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +2
    Fair enough, sorry for the misunderstanding. Yes, all private institutions should be able to do what they like as long as they don't infringe on anyone's rights. However, if the general public gets riled up about it, the church might be forced to accept homosexuals to look better to the general public due to any media outcries. But no, don't legally force them, but pressure them, certainly.
  • Meg Anonymo... 2012/03/05 03:18:24
    Meg
    +2
    The priest definitely handled the situation in poor fashion. The Catholic Church should be cringing right about now. It's just my opinion, but I think it's silly to pressure the church into changing their ideas. If they do change, it's not for the right reasons. It would be comparable to Rush Limbaugh apologizing after calling a law student a slut...completely disingenuous. I say let them be bigots and idiots and stick with people and institutions that are open minded and reasonable. I can appreciate your stance though, and it's very honorable to want the church to do the right thing.
  • captainquiggle 2012/03/04 16:04:43
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    captainquiggle
    +1
    Those Catholics and their homophobia. It's horrible and funny.
  • Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~ 2012/03/04 13:52:42
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +3
    How nice of him. The dark side of Christianity.
  • daylight 2012/03/04 10:21:10
    hero, how dare the woman expect to be treated equally at her mother's funeral.
    daylight
    +2
    Lies from hell, play your stinking games on the minds and hearts of people, work it.
    U libs
  • Meg daylight 2012/03/04 18:32:13
  • Bob DiN daylight 2012/06/19 14:32:26
    Bob DiN
    Libs are sickos.
  • Ceri Cat 2012/03/04 08:50:14
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    Ceri Cat
    +1
    I'm really not surprised, but dang I'm glad I went my own way.
  • Raymond Allamby 2012/03/04 07:18:32
    zero, but at least he isn't raping little boys (that we know of)
    Raymond Allamby
    +1
    all of them are zeros.

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