Marine Sgt. Given Less Than Honorable Discharge For Anti-Obama Remarks. Fair or Foul?

Talk to your congressman..not me.

and when that fails?

obie is a domestic enemy of the Constitution. Creates quite a quandry.

Not all of us, but most of us learn as we go through life, there are times we need to keep quite even though we would like to give our opinion. Sometimes, some of us learn this lesson the hard way as Sgt. Stein has.

Well said.

AHHH ... the club president.

Shut up ... join the candy ass club. Not the path for those with a spine.

I will keep "quite" Einstein. After all ... arguing with libertards is like talking to the sidewalk.

"I think 99 percent of the soldiers and Marines currently on duty understand the duties of supporting the chain of command and understand their rights of free speech are limited," he said. "To that 1 percent who don't know their rights to free speech are limited once they take the oath, this is a loud and clear message."

I didn't know being in the military limits one's "freedom of speech".

They don't have to follow illegal orders, which is pretty much what he said. They're trying to limit all of our rights to free speech, while their side can say anything.

I think you are right.

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Too true, they pick off one segment at a time and whittle you down to nothing so there's no-one left to resist.
They're having an easy time of it with the Christians since they can't agree to start with.

You know all of the law suits questioning 0bama's eligibility have been dismissed for LACK of STANDING, and if you don't know what lack of standing means, I suggest you look it up. I never understood how a citizen of this country had no
standing in these cases, and if a citizen doesn't, doesn't who does?

I thought the case brought by Col. Lakin would have standing because his whole
honorable military career was on the line (which to me seemed to mean he had standing). His whole career was flushed and he ended up in Leavenworth
because he questioned whether or not 0bama was eligible to be Comander-in-Chief
and if not the laws were illegal. HE SURELY HAD STANDING because his
military career depended upon the findings. He was sold up the river and never had a chance for a fair trial. 0bama doesn't care who he destroys to keep his secret secret.

He doesn't care at all who he ruins. It seems to be their way, they want their way and don't care what the cost, to someone else.
I'd say any citizen has a standing, if not we're all screwed.More of his manipulation of the law. Holder is a tool, he should be in prison , they all need to go.

Well, every citizen of this country has to abide with what the POTUS
does; so one would think a citizen wound have standing.

Anybody with a brain would. That unfortunately leaves a lot of people out anymore.

That is why I wonder about "lack of standing".......... we know as citizens
we don't have standing, but I don't know who would have. I wish some legal eagle would post the answer to that!

No one is trying to limit your right to free speech, but if you enlist in the United States Military you agree to abide by a code of conduct which Sgt. Stein violated. He has every right to call the President "the enemy" once he is a civilian.

And no, a soldier is not required to follow an illegal order. Sgt. Stein never claimed he was given an illegal order. Furthermore, it is not for a field soldier to determine whether an order is legal or illegal. He is not an attorney and when you're on a battlefield you don't exactly have time to run to the nearest law library to look it up. Besides which, if he had a problem with any actual order his ONLY course of action was to report to his direct superior officer, not to Facebook.

They are capable of rational thought on their own, they aren't a Borg society, his only wrongdoing was making it public. Illegal orders are pretty obvious to people that know what their jobs are.

Well, at least you admit there was wrongdoing. I've never suggested that soldiers aren't entitled to their own opinions, but I think we actually agree that there are legitimate limitations on how those opinions are expressed.

As for determining whether an order is "illegal", I agree there are some pretty clear cut situations. For instance, when Allan West ordered the men under him to torture an innocent civilian, that was clearly an illegal order and any of those men would have been justified in ignoring the order. But there are other situations where it's not as clear cut - if the CO says "blow up that building over there" it could put our troops' lives in danger if the soldier said "wait, let me first go inside and see if there are civilians in there". In the time it takes him to check, he and his fellows could be killed. And there is CERTAINLY no justification for people like former Lt.Col.Terry Lakin, who decided that any order he received was illegal because he didn't believe the President was born in Honolulu.

And when he tells them to start policing the U.S. and rounding up or killing people that don't agree with him, how will you justify that? Oh, I know you'll just claim I'm paranoid and he wouldn't do that. Well there are a lot of people that believe he would.

He hasn't told them that and he won't. This President not only understands the Constitution, but respects it. As for what paranoid nutjobs believe, that's their problem. My favorite is Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's resident nutjob in chief, who said "the fact that President Obama has done nothing to try to take everyone's guns away is evidence that President Obama wants to take everyone's guns away." And we're still waiting to see the secret FEMA concentration camps.

This president thinks the Constitution stands in the way of his socialist nirvanna and dodges or violates it every chance he gets.

It's the old Catch 22 ... you don't have to follow an illegal order ... but you are not capable of determining what is or is not illegal. Makes perfect sense to a libertard defending his socialist dictator wannabe posing as a legal president.

Too true, He'll say anything in defense of the socialist way.
They probably won't get it until he turns on them and by then there won't be anyone left who cares.

Thank you.

Now you know.

Well, he was warned...

I have absolutely no love or respect for our current president, as I fundamentally disagree with most everything he has done. That said, having served in the military as both an officer and an enlisted person, and having read the account of this mans actions here, I am in full agreement with Corps decision to discharge this man with a less than honorable discharge. He was given every opportunity to adjust his displayed attitude towards the commander in chief, and respect the chain of command. That he didn't doesn't make him heroic, it makes him look like nothing more than a petulant child.

I served in the USAF . during basic training we were taught that while serving on active duty in uniform we were to avoid political activity,demonstrations, protest etc etc that could possibly detract from the uniform or the branch of the service.

the rules are clear

in the service you are not always extended the rights you are expected to protect..you must respect the chain of command until they give illegal orders.

hell yea ! But only when they speak out against a DEMOCRAT !!!! When they bad mouth a republican is vital "FREE SPEECH" ...BIAS FOR ALL !!! GO OBAMA !!! To hell with conservatives !

Not true.

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a link to your own post , how lazy and self serving of you ....do you get paid by the word over there at Attack Watch ? - loser

How did AttackWatch get involved in your delusions? I explained to you very clearly earlier that your claim that only members of the military who criticize a Democrat are proseucted is complete bullsh*t. I don't need to retype what I've already been nice enough to explain to you. Then you'd probably accuse me of spamming.

As far as AttackWatch, you ought to check it out some time. It's a good source of actual facts to counter the ignorant hatemongering bullsh*t that Make America Fail losers such as yourself are constantly spreading around.

should have kept them to himself

Under military law, unless the direct order is an illegal order, every soldier is required to obey the orders givin by their commanders. If this Marine said that he believed the orders to be illegal, that would be different. But, he openly stated that he would not follow orders from his Commander in Chief.

Rules are rules.