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Marine Detained, Institutionalized for Facebook Posts

Transquesta 2012/08/22 14:16:31

Marine veteran detained for posting
about 'conspiracies' on Facebook

The
Rutherford Institute: District Court Refuses to Stop Transfer of Marine
Brandon Raub to Salem Psych Ward, 3 Hrs. Away, for Posting Political
Views, Song Lyrics to Facebook



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*******BREAKING NEWS*******


Breaking News from Brandon Raub’s Legal Counsel at The Rutherford Institute:


“For Immediate Release: August 21, 2012


District Court Refuses to Stop Transfer of Marine Brandon Raub to
Salem Psych Ward, 3 Hrs. Away, for Posting Political Views, Song Lyrics
to Facebook


CHESTERFIELD, VA— Special Justice Walter Douglass Stokes for the
General District Court for the City of Hopewell, Va., has denied an
emergency motion filed by attorneys for The Rutherford Institute to stop
former Marine Brandon Raub from being forcibly transferred to a
psychiatric facility more than three hours away from his family, friends
and legal team. Raub, who was arrested, detained indefinitely in a
psych ward and forced to undergo psychological evaluations based solely
on the controversial nature of lines from song lyrics, political
messages and virtual card games which he posted to his private Facebook
page, is being transferred from John Randolph Psychiatric Medical
Hospital in Hopewell to the Veterans Hospital in Salem, Va., on the
other side of the state. Raub was arrested on August 16, 2012, and has
since been detained against his will due to alleged concerns by
government officials that his Facebook posts are controversial and
“terrorist in nature.” Rutherford Institute attorneys are challenging
Raub’s arrest and detention on the grounds that the detainment order was
procedurally improper, the result of an unlawful detention, and was
based entirely on statements made by Raub that constitute protected free
speech under the First Amendment.


The Rutherford Institute’s information on Raub’s case is available at www.rutherford.org.


“This is not how justice in America is supposed to work—with
Americans being arrested for doing nothing more than exercising their
First Amendment rights, forced to undergo psychological evaluations,
detained against their will and isolated from their family, friends and
attorneys. This is a scary new chapter in our history,” said John W.
Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute. “Brandon Raub is no
different from the majority of Americans who use their private Facebook
pages to post a variety of content, ranging from song lyrics and
political hyperbole to trash talking their neighbors, friends and
government leaders.”


Brandon Raub, a former Marine who has served tours in Iraq and
Afghanistan, was detained by FBI agents and police officers at his home
in Chesterfield County based upon the nature of content posted to his
Facebook page in recent months. Like many Facebook users, Raub uses his
FB page to post songs lyrics and air his political opinions, as well as
engage in virtual online games with other users. On Thursday, August 16,
police and FBI agents arrived at Raub’s home, asking to speak with him
about his Facebook posts. They did not provide Raub with a search
warrant. Raub was cooperative and agreed to speak with them. Without
providing any explanation, levying any charges against Raub or reading
him his rights, law enforcement officials then handcuffed Raub and
transported him first to the police headquarters, then to John Randolph
Medical Center, where he has been held against his will. Outraged
onlookers filmed the arrest and posted the footage to YouTube.


In a hearing before Special Justice Walter Douglass Stokes on August
20, government officials again pointed to Raub’s Facebook posts as the
sole reason for their concern and for his continued incarceration.
Ignoring Raub’s explanations about the fact that the FB posts were being
read out of context and his attorney’s First Amendment defense, Stokes
sentenced the former Marine to up to 30 days’ further confinement in a
psych ward and signed a court order for Raub’s involuntary admission to
the Veterans Hospital in Salem. Rutherford Institute attorneys are in
the process of filing various emergency motions and procedural appeals
to challenge Raub’s detention.”


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  • marky 2012/08/22 14:34:28
    marky
    +5
    There a two sides to every story but if he is inciting violence or murder then he should go to prison not a hospital, but if he is getting detained for speaking his mind then America is no longer the land of the free and many people believe the US has become shadow of its former self where the US was respected across the world for its principles

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  • Nameless 2012/08/26 12:35:48
    Nameless
    +1
    He's a USMarine and gave up certain rights when he signed up. The USMC has every right to monitor their ranks and do what they believe necessary. Period.
  • donna.robinson.102 2012/08/25 00:49:42
    donna.robinson.102
    +1
    ps as for that mini version of the constitution, somebody better pick up the big book version and read it word for word, its contradictory in nature!
  • Transqu... donna.r... 2012/08/25 12:48:07
    Transquesta
    Indeed! Those 'contradictions' are called 'checks and balances.' :-)
  • donna.robinson.102 2012/08/25 00:47:25
    donna.robinson.102
    While reading Mr Raub's story, my fingers started twitching in the middle, i so badly wanted to stop in the middle, and start blogging but i knew i would'nt, i knew it would stick in my head, i had to know what the ins and outs of this story was and what led it to this point, and so i, took it as far to the beggining as it went., and what i saw frightened the hell out of me. Mr Raub needs help, his blogs were serious in nature, only god knows what would have happened and still might had he not been caught, we don't need to wait for another Jim Jones, or some more school or crowded place shootings, he appeared to become a little miffed when he made the statement why is there only girls listening to him? The one young lady i likened to squeaky fromme, she appeared enamored with him, and when he changed his look even more so., while i do not condone the government nosing around our business, every single site we join warns us of not using thier site for this type of agenda, they tell us if we do we will have our priviledges taken away, they ask us if we see this sort of thing, or language or pedo stuff or beggers etc... to report them immediately., it is my belief that he was also turned in by readers, i cannot beleive for all that he keyed in he was left to continue this scary ...
    While reading Mr Raub's story, my fingers started twitching in the middle, i so badly wanted to stop in the middle, and start blogging but i knew i would'nt, i knew it would stick in my head, i had to know what the ins and outs of this story was and what led it to this point, and so i, took it as far to the beggining as it went., and what i saw frightened the hell out of me. Mr Raub needs help, his blogs were serious in nature, only god knows what would have happened and still might had he not been caught, we don't need to wait for another Jim Jones, or some more school or crowded place shootings, he appeared to become a little miffed when he made the statement why is there only girls listening to him? The one young lady i likened to squeaky fromme, she appeared enamored with him, and when he changed his look even more so., while i do not condone the government nosing around our business, every single site we join warns us of not using thier site for this type of agenda, they tell us if we do we will have our priviledges taken away, they ask us if we see this sort of thing, or language or pedo stuff or beggers etc... to report them immediately., it is my belief that he was also turned in by readers, i cannot beleive for all that he keyed in he was left to continue this scary behaviour, i liken it to serious terroristic threats, and probably so did others and the proper authorities and rightfully so. The problem was in thier zest to capture Mr Raub, they did not practice due process, in doing so and as a result Mr Raub will be walking the streets freely as well as at the keyboard soon, this time he will be taunting in nature as well, then what? As far as some of the stories Mr Raub has spoken of, how we know he speaks truth simply because they locked him up and forgot his miranda rights?, to thine own self be true, if Mr Raub came in a diffrent skin shade his voice a diffrent language., i wonder how many shouts would be heard screaming from the rafters then? how many blind eyes to the seriousness of the nature of his actions? he ignored all of the rules as they applied to the laws regarding terrroristic threats, and the rules applying to online communication so in truth he gave those rights away and then cried foul, in those responsible for stopping him, well that was a case of too many chefs and not enough cooks maybe next time they won't be so zealous in what they do, as well as being so unorganized, Its pretty bad when people don't read the warning label or the after effects, just the miracle of the promise inorder to reach thier destination, and thats fine, thats thier dream as long as they remember if it looks too good it usually is.
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  • redhorse29 2012/08/23 21:10:19
    redhorse29
    +1
    There is a clause in the UCMJ that prohibits active duty personnel from participating in political activity. The number of times it has been enforces is very rare, therefore it is surprising it is being enforced now. Although if there is a strong under current of descendent among the troops then the president will want to crush it by making examples of anyone that employs their right to freedom of speech.
  • Prepper Politics 2012/08/23 18:34:47
    Prepper Politics
    +1
    I think this is a fu....messed up deal for the Marine. The Oath Keepers are getting involved to help this guy out. Besides, if this guy is being detained for his posts, then why are Martin Sheen and Van Jones allowed to walk free.... oh, wait, they never served and both like Obama.
  • red 2012/08/23 15:34:04 (edited)
    red
    +1
    Its sad, but when your in the service your taught not to voice an opinoin against your Government. I'm not surprised the main stream media didn't pick this up. They are not as ethical as they used to be and this is a non-issue for them, besides; he's not black and didn't get shot by a white cop while in custody. (Before I get a 1000 hits, I know its the "racist" truth, and I blame Obama, and the media for the race bating.)
  • Mr Chin 2012/08/22 20:17:20
    Mr Chin
    +1
    My gut says this is wrong. But my brain says I want more information before I make a snap decision.
    Also for people who were told to not discuss anything they sure do talk a lot..
  • donna.r... Mr Chin 2012/08/24 22:52:21
    donna.robinson.102
    Go to his actual facebook account, and read what he was up too, i was in the wagon with everyone else, but i like you have my own mind and whether it agrees with what i want to do or like or not i have to see the whole truth, and i did research it.
  • Mr Chin donna.r... 2012/08/24 22:57:39
    Mr Chin
    +1
    Thanks.
    I wonder if that would taint a possible trial to post about the events though..
  • kevracer 2012/08/22 19:09:12 (edited)
    kevracer
    +1
    the so-called maintream media doesn't have to report a story on every nut being committed. He's a veteran, get over it He WAS a marine
  • RTHTGakaRoland 2012/08/22 17:53:44
  • Libertys Martyr 2012/08/22 17:09:23
    Libertys Martyr
    +3
    Not a PEEP from the mainstream media.
  • 3052457 2012/08/22 16:37:04
  • Transqu... 3052457 2012/08/22 16:41:31
    Transquesta
    +1
    I'm still farting around for the 'evidence' one way or the 'tuther. It's difficult, though, what with my having blocked FB in my servers' hosts file for a year or two.
  • ConLibFraud 2012/08/22 15:17:19
    ConLibFraud
    +2
    We have to start interviewing these media asswipes! I want to know the names and ages of those treasonous reporters!!!!!
  • sean 2012/08/22 15:09:31
    sean
    +1
    JUST WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOME OF THE POSTS I HAVE READ ON HERE, AND HIS...NOTHING..( if even true ) this is to make the ex-service men and women out to be the next terrorists..and i see its already working..look for more in the near future and more lone wolf shootings ( WHILE WITNESSES HAVE SAID THEIR WERE MORE THEN 1 SHOOTER)..this is what its all about...the government just loves a good story..too tell the sheeple.
  • ConLibF... sean 2012/08/22 15:18:02
    ConLibFraud
    +2
    Agreed!
  • S and S 2012/08/22 14:56:37
  • ☆WillThompson☆ 2012/08/22 14:53:26
    ☆WillThompson☆
    +3
    Everyone has a right to free speech, but with that right you must be willing to endure any consequences that arise from what you say.
  • Transqu... ☆WillTh... 2012/08/22 14:59:09
    Transquesta
    +1
    Bingo! Free speech is anything BUT free. Best to learn that EARLY.
  • ConLibF... ☆WillTh... 2012/08/22 15:18:45
    ConLibFraud
    +2
    Oh so you are the 1st Amendment expert.
  • Transqu... ConLibF... 2012/08/22 15:20:12
    Transquesta
    +2
    Ya don't have to be an expert in constitutional law to realize that everything you think, do and say comes at a price.
  • ConLibF... Transqu... 2012/08/22 15:21:24
    ConLibFraud
    +1
    Oh so that's how the 1st Amendment is defined.
  • Transqu... ConLibF... 2012/08/22 15:47:57
    Transquesta
    +2
    I'm gonna give you a hint here. The fallacy of your premises STARTS with phrases like "so you" or "oh so." Do not attempt to put words in other people's mouths or ideas in their heads.

    NOW. . .the First Amendment doesn't need 'defining.' It is self-defining. Take particular note of the emphasis (mine) within the quoted text below:

    CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Please note the word CONGRESS. *ONLY* CONGRESS is prohibited from retaliating against the citizenry for the exercise of their first amendment rights. The president/executive is not. The judicial branch is not. Private employers are not. . .etc.

    "So," while CONGRESS may not exact a price for anti-government speech, everyone else down the chain MAY.

    AGAIN, free speech is anything BUT free. Best to learn that early.
  • ConLibF... Transqu... 2012/08/22 15:57:21
  • Transqu... ConLibF... 2012/08/22 16:03:37
    Transquesta
    +2
    I think I'm a slammer of trolling, illogical asstards who wouldn't know a coherent thought if it crawled up their asses and died.
  • ConLibF... Transqu... 2012/08/22 16:40:00
    ConLibFraud
    +2
    You are the self appointed arrogant hall monitor while hiding behind your little computer.
  • Transqu... ConLibF... 2012/08/22 16:42:32
    Transquesta
    I just 'monitor' the militantly ignorant. That's why it seems as if I monitor you in particular. :-)
  • ConLibF... Transqu... 2012/08/22 16:52:07
    ConLibFraud
    +2
    Again, all while hiding behind your little computer.
  • Transqu... ConLibF... 2012/08/22 16:53:08
    Transquesta
    You exude ignorance behind yours, I hide behind mine. Stalemate.
  • ConLibF... Transqu... 2012/08/22 16:56:19
    ConLibFraud
    +1
    You are the one with the large mouth who would be very silent when not hiding behind your tiny computer.
  • Transqu... ConLibF... 2012/08/22 17:02:45
    Transquesta
    There's only one way you can find that out, sir. :-)
  • ConLibF... Transqu... 2012/08/22 17:08:20
    ConLibFraud
    +1
    Is that a threat?
  • Transqu... ConLibF... 2012/08/22 17:37:21
    Transquesta
    Are you normally this paranoid/devoid of reading comprehension abilities? Do you always try to bait people?
  • ConLibF... Transqu... 2012/08/22 17:56:29
    ConLibFraud
    Just watch your threats and read the COC.
  • Odinsown Transqu... 2012/08/22 17:22:46
    Odinsown
    +3
    The reason congress is the only entity mentioned in the first amendment is because congress is the only entity that the constitution gives the ability to make laws. The executive branch is only meant to enforce the laws written by congress, and the judicial is supposed to monitor both to make sure that they remain within the bounds set by the constitution.
  • Transqu... Odinsown 2012/08/22 17:38:15
    Transquesta
    Correct!

    Now, if you'd be so kind as to instruct 'LibFraud.' :-)
  • kyle Transqu... 2012/08/22 20:05:27
    kyle
    Wow...so you are saying the president / executive can arrest somebody for not violating a law?

    The law would have to be created by congress after all...
  • Anonymouse ~superdoge~ 2012/08/22 14:45:40 (edited)
    Anonymouse ~superdoge~
    +1
    Politically correct retarded paper pushers...

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