Man jailed for holding bible study at home. Does he deserve jail?

by ☆ElenaDiamond☆ Posted 2012/08/06 14:03:51

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The married father of six is an ordained pastor of Church of God in Christ and founder of Harvest Christian Fellowship. He and his family believe he has the right to worship at home on his private property.

"The only people who came to our home were family and friends," Salman said in a video posted online before he reported to jail this week. "Our home was not open to the public; it was private."

His wife, Suzanne Salman, said her husband's constitutional rights have been violated.

"Christians deserve the right to gather at their homes privately just like every other American has the right to gather for their reasons," she told FoxNews.com.

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cmdrbnd007 2012/08/06 14:12:53

Yes.

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There would be as many as 80 people there in his Bible study. I'm sorry that is not a Bible study that is a worship service. Imagine all the cars parked in the streets and imagine you live on that street. He was not jailed because of the Bible study he was jailed because of the number of people. He needs to find a separate building if there are going to be that many people attending. This was a zoning code violation and my guess is it was also a fire hazard.
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Deep007 to La 2012/08/07 12:13:01

Did you missed the part about being a NAZI

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La to Deep007 2012/08/08 06:38:15

So holding people to their parole conditions is being a nazi now?

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Deep007 to La 2012/08/08 15:33:00

Hence the People’s State must mercilessly expurgate from all the leading circles in the government of the country the parliamentarian principle, according to which decisive power through the majority vote is invested in the multitude.
-Hitler-

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La to Deep007 2012/08/09 01:34:19

You're comparing putting a parolee back in prison to....the end days of the parliamentarian principle?

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The Sane One 2012/08/06 23:29:07

Yes.

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He violated his probation. End of story.

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Deep007 to The San... 2012/08/07 02:16:24

He's got four freaking acres..
WTF are these fools talking about...
HE'S GOT FOUR FREAKING ACRES OF LAND...
80 people on four acres is NOTHING
All you people that said yes are NAZIS

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Crypt_H... to Deep007 2012/08/07 05:00:29

+1
Burglar steals bottle of vodka while on probation. By your reasoning: He shouldn't go to jail.

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The San... to Deep007 2012/08/08 00:03:41

He agreed to live by the rules as a condition of his parole. He violated those conditions.

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Deep007 2012/08/06 22:11:02

No.

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There has to more to this story...drugs, alcohol, sex..oh yeah..those are cool..religion is not

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La to Deep007 2012/08/07 00:58:33

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There is....it's in the linked article....

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socokid 2012/08/06 21:48:53

No.

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If I remember correctly, it was due to them filling up side streets with cars, and putting too many people in an unsafe building.

From the link:
"The case is about the building that is used for regular assembly does not meet construction and fire code requirements for assembly,"

End of story. This has nothing to do with being Christian, etc... and he has defied them several times.

"Salman applied for a permit to build a game room on his property, but installed pew-like seats and a pulpit. Salman has responded by saying "game room" was the best description available for what they were building."

He's been trying to skirt the local laws for some time. His fault entirely.

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socokid to socokid 2012/08/06 21:49:13

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Bah, I meant to click Yes. *sigh*

Sorry!

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foy49 to socokid 2012/08/06 22:13:51

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No problem it was easy to figure out your intent.

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Mel 2012/08/06 21:09:08

Yes.

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I was going to say no, however after reading everything and a few other places, he should have been cited for a violation, but not arrested. And being on probation he should have checked as to whether he's allowed to have that many people

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Deep007 to Mel 2012/08/07 02:16:36

He's got four freaking acres..
WTF are these fools talking about...
HE'S GOT FOUR FREAKING ACRES OF LAND...
80 people on four acres is NOTHING
All you people that said yes are NAZIS

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Mel to Deep007 2012/08/08 01:15:41

First of all he has no permits for the meets or the buildings he's putting up. The people were violating fire and safety codes. he was told he was in violation for that. It had nothing to do with his religion.. His neighbours originally brought the legal actions against him, and most of them are religious themselces!!!!!!!!!

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Deep007 to Mel 2012/08/08 04:53:00

4 acres///
more than you'll have in yer entire miserable hating life

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Mel to Deep007 2012/08/08 09:18:41

aCTUALLY MY FAMILY HAS LAND IN eUROPE. hA HA HA HA, MORE THAN YOU'LL EVER HAVE.

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Deep007 to Mel 2012/08/08 15:34:53

Now yer really lying..
Europe is a DUMP and the socialists took away their land 20 years ago..
Hah hah hah.. now yer family are just a bunch of BUMS
LooSah

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Mel to Deep007 2012/08/08 17:03:20

Welcome to 4 acres of "blocked land." Bigot

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lil crazy 2012/08/06 20:48:04

Yes.

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Another twisted pole without all of the facts. What is even sadder is that many of those who said he didn't deserve jail time, didn't even read the article provided. (which by the way leaves out some of the facts)
http://phoenix.gov/news/07121...

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Deep007 to lil crazy 2012/08/07 02:17:14

He's got four freaking acres..
WTF are these fools talking about...
HE'S GOT FOUR FREAKING ACRES OF LAND...
80 people on four acres is NOTHING
All you people that said yes are NAZIS

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lil crazy to Deep007 2012/08/07 03:32:29

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He was holding it in a "garage" that doesn't meet codes and was warned about it numerous times so why didn't he bring it up to code?
Apparently you think it is okay to break laws and endanger people.

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Deep007 to lil crazy 2012/08/07 05:53:04

[...]

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lil crazy to Deep007 2012/08/07 15:56:18

I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
Have a nice day

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Deep007 to lil crazy 2012/08/08 00:01:29

Nazi ..Himler

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Bibliophilic 2012/08/06 20:43:21 (edited)

Yes.

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You can't turn a residential space into a church- it's illegal. Imagine the noise of 80 people in one house! I'm glad that it's illegal.

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Deep007 to Bibliop... 2012/08/07 02:17:35

He's got four freaking acres..
HE'S GOT FOUR FREAKING ACRES OF LAND...
80 people on four acres is NOTHING
All you people that said yes are NAZIS

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Crypt_H... to Deep007 2012/08/07 05:02:27

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Copy and Paste fetish?

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Deep007 to Crypt_H... 2012/08/07 05:55:31

Himler

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Crypt_H... to Deep007 2012/08/08 01:56:16

^ White American Supremacist

I can be just as racist as you can.

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Deep007 to Crypt_H... 2012/08/08 04:54:17

always an intimation.. a pitiful wannabe...
dad must be so disappointed but use to it by now

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Crypt_H... to Deep007 2012/08/08 05:55:59

If only your English Grammar tutor could see you now =P

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Deep007 to Crypt_H... 2012/08/08 15:36:58

still whining mommy's boy???
whatsamatter .. need attention..
too bad..

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Mel to Crypt_H... 2012/08/08 01:20:18

+1
Had it been some other group his answer would be different.

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Deep007 to Mel 2012/08/08 15:41:16

whatever.. i'm whipping both you maggots with half my brain tied behind my back...
you Liberals are so stupid its embarrassing to all Americans. Know why its so easy to kick yer asses mentally..
because you been DUPED..
everything you been told and believe in is a LIE.. and you were dumb enough not to RESEARCH any of it and because you didn't the Libbie scholars called you smart..but yer NOT smart
Yer DUMB

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Crypt_H... to Deep007 2012/08/08 18:47:48

riiiight...sure you are.

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chicago 2012/08/06 20:24:46

Yes.

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I bet Sheriff Joe is kicking this former gang member who was arrested for a drive-by shooting as well as being charged with impersonating a police officer right in the butt!

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scbluesman13 2012/08/06 20:15:57

Yes.

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If you read the article you sourced, you'd know that this wasn't about a violation of religious freedoms, but a violation of building/zoning codes, as well as a violation of his probation. Here's an excerpt from the foxnews.com article you sourced:

"Michael Salman is serving a 60-day sentence in Maricopa County's notorious Tent City jail for allegedly violating his probation by holding religious services on his property in violation of zoning and building codes. He was arrested July 9, after authorities charged the one-time gang member hosted Bible sessions for as many 80 people on his 4-acre property, which he tried to claim as a tax-exempt church."

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▼♥☆Greencone☆♥▼ PB90s 2012/08/06 20:14:16

Yes.

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I figured I was probably missing something when I saw it saying that he was arrested for holding a bible study in his home so I read some of the other comments and saw one that mentioned the link which I then clicked on. When I read the details I saw that he was violating his probation and that he had 80 people at his house which is enough to clog up the road. If they seem to be going harder on him than they do other people who invite that many people over the fact that he is on probation and has a criminal record probably explains it. Religiose freedom does not include the right to break the law. I do wish you would have told the truth about why he was arrested whether than claiming it was simply for holding a church meating at his house.

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