Look how Palin is 'walking back' on her target map. And, she thinks we're stupid. Palin Aide: Crosshairs On Target List Not Actually Gun Sights

by ὤTṻnde΄ӂ Posted January 09, 2011 20:25:05

Related Topics: Gabrielle Giffords, Sarah Palin, Democrat, Jared Loughner

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Palin Aide: Crosshairs On Target List Not Actually Gun Sights

Brian Beutler | January 9, 2011, 10:52AM

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Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin

An aide to Sarah Palin claims the crosshairs depicted in her now-infamous target list of Democrats were not actually gun-sights, and that it's "obscene" and "appalling" to blame Palin for the shooting.
"We never ever, ever intended it to be gun sights. It was simply cross-hairs like you'd see on maps," said Rebecca Mansour on the Tammy Bruce radio show. Moreover, there was "nothing irresponsible" about the image, and to draw a line connecting Palin and Saturday's shooting is "obscene" and "appalling."
[TPM SLIDESHOW: Across the Nation, Vigils Held for Rep. Gabrielle Giffords]
You can see the original image below. Mansour called the crosshairs "surveyor marks." Palin has removed the list from her PAC website, but not from her Facebook page.
"I don't understand how anybody could be held responsible for somebody who is completely mentally unstable like this. Where I come from the person that is actually shooting is the one that's culpable," Mansour said, before intimating that the suspect, Jared Loughner, is actually a liberal. "It seems that he people that knew him said that he was left-wing and very liberal -- but that is not to say that I am blaming the left."
[TPM SLIDESHOW: Dem Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona]
"I never went out and blamed Al Gore or any environmentalist for the crazy insane person who went to shoot up the Discovery Channel," she said.

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TheLightisUrMind January 09, 2011 20:34:39

+14
Let's see....
1.White Male
2.22 years old
3.Loved Mein Kampf (book KKK and skinheads love as well-both groups are NOT liberal)
4.Publically hated people who don't speak english. (Doesn’t align with liberalism)
5.Posted on Youtube that he hated our current government administration (Which would be Obama’s)
6.Posted on Youtube that currency without gold is useless (Same thing Glenn Beck preaches EVERY NIGHT)
7.Had a picture on his Myspace page with a gun on top of the constitution (Hmmm... Doesn’t sound like liberal symbolism. GUNS? Hmmm who loves guns?)
8.Doesn’t trust the government (Sounds like anti-government rhetoric, very un-liberal)
9.Murdered a woman who recently beat out a tea party candidate (No comment)
10. Was quoted in saying that he wanted to start a revolution by killing anyone associated with the ACLU and the Tide foundation (both liberal foundations)
11.Tagged "Sarah Palin" on his Youtube page
12.Another favorite book was Farrenheit 451, a book that discusses decreasing government’s role in terms of censorship (A Tea Party mantra)
13.Quoted to say: "Don't trust the current government, listener!"
14. Giffords' Republican opponent in the 2 November race for a seat in the House of Representatives was Jesse Kelly. He had held a campaign event in which he invited...

Let's see....
1.White Male
2.22 years old
3.Loved Mein Kampf (book KKK and skinheads love as well-both groups are NOT liberal)
4.Publically hated people who don't speak english. (Doesn’t align with liberalism)
5.Posted on Youtube that he hated our current government administration (Which would be Obama’s)
6.Posted on Youtube that currency without gold is useless (Same thing Glenn Beck preaches EVERY NIGHT)
7.Had a picture on his Myspace page with a gun on top of the constitution (Hmmm... Doesn’t sound like liberal symbolism. GUNS? Hmmm who loves guns?)
8.Doesn’t trust the government (Sounds like anti-government rhetoric, very un-liberal)
9.Murdered a woman who recently beat out a tea party candidate (No comment)
10. Was quoted in saying that he wanted to start a revolution by killing anyone associated with the ACLU and the Tide foundation (both liberal foundations)
11.Tagged "Sarah Palin" on his Youtube page
12.Another favorite book was Farrenheit 451, a book that discusses decreasing government’s role in terms of censorship (A Tea Party mantra)
13.Quoted to say: "Don't trust the current government, listener!"
14. Giffords' Republican opponent in the 2 November race for a seat in the House of Representatives was Jesse Kelly. He had held a campaign event in which he invited his supporters to "Get on Target for Victory in November". He asked them to "Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office – shoot a fully automatic M15 with Jesse Kelly."

So I mean, if we want to discuss facts, let's do more than quote a girl who "barely knew him" and hasn't seen him in 5 years shall we? Also, I think we'd all do better to just agree for now that this man was CRAZY, and not attempt to pin him on any political movement until more facts come out. This is a sad day in America.
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Lanikai January 10, 2011 20:42:50

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I thought that picture was interpretive-as in, "the mexican illegals are going to kill us"

Not as in anything sinister from ou own people,

liberals get a LOT of exercise jumping to conclusions. Too bad they are wrong so often..

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ὤTṻnde΄ӂ to Lanikai January 10, 2011 20:50:05

WTF are you talking about? The right has said over and over that Mexicans were out to kill all of us, and you could throw blacks in there with them.

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Semper Fi January 10, 2011 18:16:06 (edited)

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Spin it and stir it!

So what do you make of this one?

And this one:

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ὤTṻnde΄ӂ to Semper Fi January 10, 2011 18:38:14

I don't see one crosshair. Palin wouldn't be taking heat if she had said we need to target 20 candidates for November 2, and even put a map out about them, but she put rifle sights on them which has a completely different focus on them.

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Semper Fi to ὤTṻnde΄ӂ January 10, 2011 20:39:44

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Targets or cross hairs, what's the significant difference? You are an intelligent individual. Do you honestly believe such a front-page politician would publicly imply for a second that political foes should be targeted for assassination or violence of any kind?

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ὤTṻnde΄ӂ to Semper Fi January 10, 2011 20:45:53

There's a BIG difference. If Palin didn't feel some guilt, why the hell did she take the map with cross hairs off her Facebook page and scrub some equally offensive Tweets?
I think Palin is irresponsible. She doesn't think. There was nothing in her psyche to give her the slightest clue that she shouldn't be using gun metaphors against another political party. It didn't even enter her mind that what she says a lot of fools listen to her and some of those fools are psychopathic.
We don't need Angle saying if she doesn't get her way, Americans should consider second amendment remedies and Bachmann telling her state that she wants them "locked and loaded." They need to STFU.

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Semper Fi to ὤTṻnde΄ӂ January 10, 2011 20:55:58

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Do you also consider these public statements irresponsible as well?

“They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
“Get in Their Faces!”
“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
“Hit Back Twice As Hard”
“We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
“It’s time to Fight for it.”
“Punish your enemies.”
“I’m itching for a fight.”

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Semper Fi to ὤTṻnde΄ӂ January 10, 2011 21:15:59 (edited)

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I ask again; do you honestly believe a front-page politician would publicly imply that political foes should be targeted for assassination or violence of any kind?

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ὤTṻnde΄ӂ to Semper Fi January 10, 2011 21:22:35

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What I say is they don't think. I know they aren't planning to kill anyone or suggest that someone does but not everyone thinks any other way than literal. The politicians and others don't think about what they say and they are being taken literally.

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Semper Fi to ὤTṻnde΄ӂ January 10, 2011 21:29:31

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I agree. Both sides are equally guilty of it. They're miserable politicians (some just more miserable than others)!

I know you do not wish to answer the question above about irresponsible statements. You don't have to because you know they were equally irresponsible, and who made them.

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ὤTṻnde΄ӂ to Semper Fi January 10, 2011 21:33:41

“They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
“Get in Their Faces!”
“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
“Hit Back Twice As Hard”
“We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
“It’s time to Fight for it.”
“Punish your enemies.”
“I’m itching for a fight.”

Taken out of context, the context of Palin's is included as is Beck's...hell, he diagrams it for his audience.

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Semper Fi to ὤTṻnde΄ӂ January 10, 2011 21:39:30 (edited)

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But of course! Now why did I expect that from you?

Eight irresponsible public statements made by a sitting president of the United States all taken out of context. How is it liberal statements are always taken out of context anyway?

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ὤTṻnde΄ӂ to Semper Fi January 10, 2011 22:51:15

He's not intimating killing anyone, Palin, Angle, Bachmann, Beck, Limbabble do.

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Semper Fi to ὤTṻnde΄ӂ January 10, 2011 23:02:42

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Bird! You say potato, I say patato.

Get over it! Honestly, there's nothing you , me, or SH is going to do to change a thing. It's politics as usual, like it or like it.

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ὤTṻnde΄ӂ to Semper Fi January 10, 2011 23:38:16

And I answered you, you just can't comprehend what I wrote.

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Semper Fi to ὤTṻnde΄ӂ January 10, 2011 23:47:07 (edited)

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You are accusing Palin, Angle, Bachmann, and Beck of intimating killing people.

Question: Why aren't they being arrested and prosecuted for it?

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ὤTṻnde΄ӂ to Semper Fi January 11, 2011 01:00:58

You just don't get it, do you. I didn't say they were responsible for what the nut did, but they are too stupid to realize they are supporting dog-whistle politics, like a moth to a flame. Now, if you want to keep accusing me of things I have not said, do it on your own time, not mine.

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Semper Fi to ὤTṻnde΄ӂ January 11, 2011 01:11:34

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Bird, I sincerely tried to accommodate you, but you are just so hateful you can't reason.

So in your very own words, you "need to STFU."

Have a nice day.

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ὤTṻnde΄ӂ to Semper Fi January 11, 2011 01:12:49

Where am I being hateful? I'm giving you my opinion and you're not accepting it. It's a great idea to cut this conversation off.

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scootertuner1000 January 10, 2011 16:51:19 (edited)

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Unfortunately they were gun sights. There was a list of names, that looked like a hitlist and in conjunction with comments like "Don't retreat reload" it was almost a foregone conclusion that this would happen. I knew as soon as I saw this map for the first time that something like this would happen. If I could see it coming I am sure that anyone who is honest and realistic could see it coming too. If they couldn't they have a severe misunderstanding of human nature and the importance that some will put on their utterings and actions.

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cutter's falls January 10, 2011 16:26:03

+5
I need a wtfiddlers smile,
only when the right uses imagery to show a political point it causes discourse

And when the left uses imagery to show a political point, its all sunshine & lollipops

only a Imbilcil would think as that.

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ὤTṻnde΄ӂ to cutter'... January 10, 2011 18:07:50

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cutter'... to ὤTṻnde΄ӂ January 10, 2011 18:47:30

+5
speaking I would say is more important

"corpsman"

move on sh%tbird

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Lanikai to cutter'... January 10, 2011 20:46:29

+3
a word the pressie could not pronounce properly. I almost choked when he pronounced the "p"

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cutter'... to Lanikai January 10, 2011 23:12:41

+1
I had hot coffee running done my chin

Even the dog understood my discomfort,
Sona Biych!

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Brian January 10, 2011 15:48:31

+1
Why is it virtually ALWAYS the right wingers that go nuts and start shooting?

As it turns out, there are scientific studies that explain the irrationality, fear, anger and potential for violence from conservatives. Seems it has to do with the the reptilian brain and the size of the amygdala (the source of fear and anger) versus the size of the frontal lobe (source of higher thought, reasoning, and judgement).

Studies have shown that those who self identify as conservative, have larger amygdalas and smaller frontal lobes than those who do not self identify as conservative. That explains why conservatives are afraid of their own shadow and have difficulty with rational though and judgement.

Add constant, vitriolic, hate speech from Fox News pundits like Palin, Beck, etc., to the equation and these types of acts are to be expected. Anyone who is surprised that these things are happening should not be. Angered, disgusted, saddened, yes. Surprised, no.

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maggiemay to Brian January 10, 2011 17:43:34 (edited)

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Where is your proof that it is always the right. I haven't seen any right winger go nuts and start shooting. Your painting with a very broad brush aren't you? Why don't you hold off on the pointing fingers till they know for sure what really happened. Oh I forgot you lefties always jump to conclusions don't you.

What's the matter can't stand up behind your post so you blocked me.........LOL

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Brian to maggiemay January 10, 2011 17:55:41

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You forgot to mention that I said "virtually" all. I added that just for the lizard brained out there. Missed it huh? That's using the old "lizard brain."

It's just a scientific study, I understand your lack of understanding. It's not your fault, but it is your problem.

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twocrows January 10, 2011 05:25:11

+2
Palin has proudly associated herself with guns. she has done so publicly ever since she stepped into the limelight and, likely, for long before that. she put cross-hairs which, as everyone who is not in denial knows, are associated with gun-sights on her infamous map and Giffords' name below it. she stated, on the same map, "Two down. Eighteen to go."

and now she is back-pedaling like crazy and blaming anyone she can place in her sights.

this is a lot of things - but it's not news.

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Angi January 09, 2011 23:48:24

+2
Public people have got a duty to what they put out. Sad day for American politics. But most importantly people need to address issues raised. Innocent people died and people should do what they can so it dosen't happen again, even if it means asking some difficult questions.

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Lanikai to Angi January 10, 2011 20:49:49

Like WHY the college could NOT notify authorities that they had a student SO disturbed that they banned him from classes "until he could prove he was not a threat to himself of others" or WHY the idiot bag sheriff did not lable him as a "threat" which he already said in an interview he felt like he was after many encounters with law enforcement. And WHY there was no ability to information share amongst the school, students, and sheriffs office that may have caught this nutjob BEFORE he started shooting?

Let's ask the judges and lawyers who decided it was a privacy violation to share info on peoples mental health.

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ὤTṻnde΄ӂ to Lanikai January 10, 2011 20:52:35

That's RIDICULOUS. Someone's mental health is no one's business unless they threaten another with death and has the where with all to go through with it. Here in AZ, they let all the mentally disturbed out so they can roam the streets.

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Angi to Lanikai January 11, 2011 02:19:19

I understand that there are confidential reasons for not sharing someones mental health, but that it is a different matter if that person is judged a danger to there self or others. Sounds like a lot of things went wrong. Hope people address difficult issues to make things better.

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;-) January 09, 2011 23:19:40

+1
we don't hear the mantra "drill baby drill" too much anymore either.....one by one they drop like flies

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marcuss 0 LWNJs BLOCKED January 09, 2011 21:12:29
ὤTṻnde΄ӂ to marcuss... January 09, 2011 21:15:06

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Who was motivated by the right.

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marcuss... to ὤTṻnde΄ӂ January 09, 2011 21:26:09
ὤTṻnde΄ӂ to marcuss... January 09, 2011 22:33:05

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Just like this guy you don't know your right from you left, nor what they mean.
Now, run away little boy.

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marcuss... to marcuss... January 10, 2011 17:07:25

+4
Gutless attacks then blocks.

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akgold to ὤTṻnde΄ӂ January 10, 2011 03:35:58

+7
LWNJ slashed Muslim cabbie in NYC.
LWNJ professor shoots fellow liberal professors.
LWNJ stages own suicide to look like a hate crime.
LWNJ's riot at G8 meetings.
LWNJ's riot at WTO meetings.
Daily Kos puts bulls eye on Giffords TWO years ago.
Daily Kos ran "Giffords is dead to me" piece TWO days before shooting.
But the motivation comes from the right. Yeah, right! The left are ignorant, lying hypocrites.

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