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Lies during bebate, but it wasn't Romney. Does reality matter to Obama supporters?

CAPISCE 2012/10/07 13:56:28
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The First Presidential Debate Romney and President Obama was easily the wonkiest such debate I can recall in my lifetime. That’s great for the country. But even better was the fact that Mitt Romney was able to correct a number of the misleading statements that President Obama has been making about Romney’s plans for health care and entitlement reform. Let’s review the debate

1. Obamacare’s $716 billion in Medicare cuts reduce benefits

Here’s what President Obama said about the $716 billion in Medicare cuts enacted within Obamacare: “$716 billion we were able to save from the Medicare program by no longer overpaying insurance companies by making sure that we weren’t overpaying providers. And using that money, we were actually able to lower prescription drug costs for seniors by an average of $600, and we were also able to make a—make a significant dent in providing them the kind of preventive care that will ultimately save money throughout the system.”

Um, no. As I discussed on Tuesday, the “donut hole” closure imposed by Obamacare only affects 6 percent of seniors. Furthermore, Obamacare’s new spending on prescription drugs and preventive care is offset by a far greater amount of cuts. The cuts outweigh the new spending by a ratio of fifteen to one.
Romney hit that point. “That’s $1 for every $15 you’ve cut. They’re smart enough to know that’s not a good trade. I want to take that $716 billion you’ve cut and put it back into Medicare. By the way, we can include a prescription program if we need to improve it. But the idea of cutting $716 billion from Medicare to be able to balance the additional cost of Obamacare is, in my opinion, a mistake

2. Romney’s Medicare plan doesn’t expose seniors to higher costs

President Obama tried, once again, to mislead voters about Romney’s Medicare plan. “The idea, which was originally presented by Congressman Ryan, your running mate, is that we would give a voucher to seniors and they could go out in the private marketplace and buy their own health insurance. The problem is that because the voucher wouldn’t necessarily keep up with health care inflation, it was estimated that this would cost the average senior about $6,000 a year.”That’s an improvement from what Obama has said on the campaign trail, when he has claimed that Romney’s plan would cost seniors $6,000 a year. Indeed, Obama anticipated that he would get push-back on this point: “Now, in fairness,” he said, “what Governor Romney has now said is he’ll maintain traditional Medicare alongside it. But there’s still a problem, because what happens is, those insurance companies are pretty clever at figuring out who are the younger and healthier seniors. They recruit them, leaving the older, sicker seniors in Medicare. And every health care economist that looks at it says, over time, what’ll happen is the traditional Medicare system will collapse.”

No. That isn’t what “every health care economist” has said. Democrat-aligned health economists who support the President, like David Cutler, have argued that Romney’s plan would incentivize insurers to cherry-pick healthier seniors. But right-of-center economists, such as James Capretta, Steve Parente, and Douglas Holtz-Eakin, disagree.

But it’s not just right-of-center economists who disagree. David Cutler himself has argued in favor of Romney’s approach to Medicare reform, according to White House e-mails unearthed by Meghan McCarthy of National Journal. And there’s another irony: if Obama thinks risk-adjustment and premium support is so horrible for seniors, why did he impose it on 25 million low-income Americans through Obamacare?

3. Medicare is less efficient than private insurance

President Obama delivered this whopper regarding Medicare: “Every study has shown that Medicare has lower administrative costs than private insurance does, which is why seniors are generally pretty happy with it. And private insurers have to make a profit. Nothing wrong with that. That’s what they do. And so you’ve got higher administrative costs, plus profit on top of that. And if you are going to save any money through what Governor Romney’s proposing, what has to happen is, is that the money has to come from somewhere.”

False. Indeed, the most persuasive research on Medicare’s administrative costs comes from my Apothecary colleague Robert Book, who notes that (1) half of Medicare’s administrative costs are booked by other federal agencies; and (2) On a per-beneficiary basis, despite this advantage, Medicare spends more on administrative costs than private plans do

Obama continued: “And when you move to a voucher system, you are putting seniors at the mercy of those insurance companies. And over time, if traditional Medicare has decayed or fallen apart, then they’re stuck. And this is the reason why AARP has said that your plan would weaken Medicare substantially. And that’s why they were supportive of the approach that we took.”

Well. As I note above, the “voucher system” that Obama decries for seniors is precisely what he imposed on 25 million low-income Americans. As to the AARP, the AARP has made $2.8 billion in extra profits due to Obama’s back-room dealings with AARP. So it’s not surprising that AARP supports Obamacare.Most importantly, as Romney pointed out, if government-run Medicare is indeed more efficient than privately-administered Medicare, then the “public option” would win out under Romney’s competitive bidding system. “The President said that the government can provide the service at lower cost and without a profit,” said Romney. “If that’s the case then it will always be the best product that people can purchase.” Exactly. Under a competitive bidding system, if the public option is more efficient, that’s the plan that most seniors will choose. If not, not.

4. Obamacare increases insurance premiums

Romney pointed out: “And as a matter of fact, when the president ran for office, he said that, by this year, he would have brought down the cost of insurance for each family by $2,500 a family. Instead, it’s gone up by that amount. So it’s expensive. Expensive things hurt families. So that’s one reason I don’t want it.”

Here’s the video describing Obama repeatedly making that promise about the $2,500 in premium reductions

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  • K Egle 2012/10/20 16:45:25
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    K Egle
    Insurance Admin. costs myths and facts. The candidates and even even the media has not factored in the Medicare cost of fraud. According to Harvard Professor Malcolm Sparrow, Medicare pays out as much as 20% on fraudulent claims. Obama has beefed up fraud detection, but it's not enough for some fundamental reasons. HHS performs audits claims and uses algorithms to detect patterns of fraud. This works best with actual claims on actual people in that it detects schemes like upcoding and when real documents are examined. The biggest frauds go undetected because a computer does not physically visit the provider and the patient to ascertain if they even exist. The big fraud is perpetuated by claims processing experts who know how to create fake documents that do not alert HHS' computer. Then there is the systemic fraud in the contracting. If an inflated charge is allowed under contract, it's not considered fraud. My sister-in-law is a home health nurse. She was asked by a patient why Medicare would not respond to her complaint that a medical equipment company had been paid rent for a wheelchair worth $250 at a rate of $118 per month for the past 5 years!. Another problem is that unlike private insurance, Medicare does not aggressively prevent fraud. It goes after fraud through the courts long after the money is lost. So, in the end the government looses billions from the fraud and spend hundreds of millions prosecuting and the housing these criminals in prison.
  • Mopheadmusic2000 2012/10/09 20:41:30
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    Mopheadmusic2000
    +1
    Obama's supporters care little about facts and less about character. i don't know what they are clinging to. Obama is a bona fide liar who accuses his opponents of lying and then his worshippers accept it.
  • pops 2012/10/09 18:48:24
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    pops
    +1
    That's why they support BHO'can't stand reality,live in some dream world.
  • robert.goldsmith.14 2012/10/09 05:01:37
  • Swampdog 2012/10/08 23:15:09
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    Swampdog
    +1
    Never has, never will!
  • none 2012/10/08 17:20:49
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    none
    +1
    If reality mattered they wouldn't have been foolish enough to vote for Obama in 2008.
  • OPOA912 2012/10/08 15:29:24
  • Hawk 2012/10/08 14:52:45 (edited)
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    Hawk
    +3
    These people will continue to follow obama, the sheep will continue to follow this idiot . These are the same kind of people that found o j.simpson not guilty in the killing of two innocent people. obama sheeple
  • Doc Freeman 2012/10/08 14:14:45
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    Doc Freeman
    +1
    Obama supporters are the ones who want handouts like food stamps, phones, free medical care, and free abortions. They have no pride in themselves any more, if ever. They are too lazy to go out and really work for a job or get an education that will help them better themselves in life. This is proven by the woman who said, “Obama gonna give us some money. Don’t know where it comes from, his stash.” Or the people who claim they have free phones from Obama, even though it is the tax payers funding their free phones with call waiting, caller ID, texting, and 250 minutes a month and a camera. His supporters do not care if he lies just so long as they keep getting freebies from the tax payers. They do not care if Obama destroys our country and makes it the biggest laughing stock of the world when it comes to foreign policy. His supporters have ceased to use what brains they had and just drink the Obama kool-aid not understanding that when the U.S. default on its $56.99 Trillion Dollar debt that all freebies will cease to exist and then they will have to hunt for food and a place to live, but by then it will be too late.
  • Magus BN-0 2012/10/08 13:06:44
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    Magus BN-0
    +1
    You're the one who's not interested in reality. In particular, claiming that Medicare is less efficient than private insurance is one of the most outlandish lies ever told.
  • CAPISCE Magus BN-0 2012/10/08 13:38:51
    CAPISCE
    +1
    Yea, that Medicare runs like clockwork, lol
  • BlackJack Magus BN-0 2012/10/09 17:15:15
    BlackJack
    +1
    Now, that is funny!
  • Janet C K 2012/10/08 02:36:41 (edited)
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    Janet C K
    +1
    Really good post- informative, good organization explaining it!!!!! Thanks! I think I'll bookmark it!
  • princess 2012/10/08 01:16:06
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    princess
    +2
    The ignorant, Liberal OVomit followers are hopeless.
  • johnpar 2012/10/08 00:27:01
    NO
    johnpar
    +3
    Neuroplegics for Obama - paralyzed from the neck up.
  • golem48 2012/10/08 00:16:31
    NO
    golem48
    +3
    No, his mindless minions will still worship the 0bamanation!
  • JJ Rage 2012/10/08 00:13:01
  • Ol'Dave 2012/10/07 23:49:54
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    Ol'Dave
    +5
    A basic REALITY, in my opinion, is a man should be responsible FOR HIS OWN ACTIONS!! But the extreme left (aka most of the Democratic party) gives a PASS to it's CHOSEN ONE PRESIDENT OBAMA. When he was SENATOR OBAMA he cast his vote to FORCE BANKS to make loans to applicants that had no way to pay it back and thereby CAUSED THE RECESSION!!!!!!! I think he should be held responsible for that!
  • Todd Parsons 2012/10/07 23:18:56
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    Todd Parsons
    +2
    The problem is many of them are illiterate. their IQs are under 70 It's tough on them...we really should feel bad for these people that go through life as blind as they are.
  • MarinerFH 2012/10/07 22:59:06
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    MarinerFH
    +3
    They don't want to see reality.
  • Kurt 2012/10/07 22:20:06
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    Kurt
    +1
    Never has or every will be.
  • robinswebnest 2012/10/07 21:51:51
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    robinswebnest
    +2
    Remeber that hollyweird is helping obama. They are the masters of lies, just by what they do for a living. Actors are 'pretenders'....which means, on screen they are smart, funny, intelligent and interesting. Off the screen, most are silly, stupid, mean and really good sheeple for the democrats. They wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit them on the nose. More than likely, they would say, must be those stupid repubs lying again....I think they call it tranference. Always accuse the opposition of the wrong you are doing.
  • SICARIO 2012/10/07 21:15:23
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    SICARIO
    I think Americans talk way too much about politics,

    americans talk politics

    Maybe this will help" loosen the grip" of the OCD virus that's holding your brains hostage

    americans talk politics loosen grip ocd virus holding brains hostage

    find a nice woman and release some of that stress.

    loosen grip ocd virus holding brains hostage woman release stress

    in the worst case scenario

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    Fap it out..
  • Stan Kapusta 2012/10/07 21:10:26
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    Stan Kapusta
    +2
    Some still believe it's a race choice. With the change of direction this country will need to take and the importance of it. I still can't believe the ignorance.
  • LotusBecca 2012/10/07 21:10:20
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    LotusBecca
    I'd say reality matters to most Obama supporters, just as it matters to most Romney supporters. They just accept that lies are an inevitable part of a current political system. I think Obama and Romney and pretty much every other modern politician are serial liars.
  • Jim 2012/10/07 21:03:23
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    Jim
    +2
    Obama supporter live in a dream world. They are out of touch with reality. They have no idea what Obama really stands for. It's either that or they are in love with Communism.
  • Big brother 2012/10/07 20:31:31 (edited)
  • CAPISCE Big bro... 2012/10/07 20:43:44
    CAPISCE
    +1
    Go Obama Go! Add more debt with your Big Gov federal power ideas, hell mr. Obama you only added 6 Trillion in debt in less than 4 years.
    Obama/DNC believe the Gov is the answer to our problems, Romney believes in less Federal Gov and states rights as did the founding fathers
    obama big brother
  • golem48 CAPISCE 2012/10/08 00:18:26
    golem48
    +1
    Unbellyfeelingingsoc!
  • kcoat 2012/10/07 20:25:41
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    kcoat
    +1
    They are a bunch of socialists and only interested in the ruin of this nation.
  • Kiosk Kid 2012/10/07 20:20:39
    NO
    Kiosk Kid
    +2
    Liberals love welfare programs and as long as Obama is buying their vote and lining their pockets, it doesn't matter what he says.
  • DavE 2012/10/07 20:05:54
  • Informed Voter 2012/10/07 19:31:25
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    Informed Voter
    +1
    Reality matters nie to the Democrats.
  • Ken 2012/10/07 19:00:17
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    Ken
    +2
    Nor the truth.
  • Leprachaun999 2012/10/07 18:12:16
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    Leprachaun999
    Romney told quite a few whoppers himself
  • CAPISCE Leprach... 2012/10/07 20:06:55
    CAPISCE
    +1
    Cite a lie during the debate please
  • Leprach... CAPISCE 2012/10/07 20:38:34
  • Kiosk Kid Leprach... 2012/10/07 20:17:17
    Kiosk Kid
    +1
    Quote one don't just spew accusations.
  • Leprach... Kiosk Kid 2012/10/07 20:39:06
    Leprachaun999
    look at the link
  • Kiosk Kid Leprach... 2012/10/08 16:26:01
    Kiosk Kid
    Ambiguity is a fallacy. State you point.

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