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Liberals claim Obama is a native-born U.S. citizen. So why would he have created a fake birth certificate using Adobe software, unless he was actually a foreign national?

tncdel 2012/05/02 17:18:33
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  • John James 2012/05/02 17:22:22
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    This all came up in 2008, instead the left was able to make this a so called birther issue. The real problem is no matter how you slice it, obama is not a natural born citizen. His father was a Bristish subject, so obama can never be a natural born citizen.

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  • rknothead 2012/05/03 03:19:42
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    rknothead
    it's really too easy for him to stop all this questioning, unless he really doesn't have a valid birth cert. There are far too many unanswered questions for this to simply go away.
  • whitewulf--the unruly mobster 2012/05/03 01:52:23
  • D Hanes 2012/05/03 00:56:07
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    D Hanes
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    Liberals are stupid.. it is as simple as that.. they obviously beleive anything his Obamaship tells tham without quesiton....
  • Donna 2012/05/02 23:48:49
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    Perhaps they were running out of constructive ideas for things to do in Washington so he assigned them an art project. Ditto for his Social Security card.
  • BritPunk 2012/05/02 21:23:19
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    Why would Chewbacca live on Endor?
  • iriemon203 BritPunk 2012/05/03 02:14:51
    iriemon203
    He couldn't be POTUS cause he ALSO had a fake BC. oba-mao should join him.
  • Teri- Oregon 2012/05/02 21:19:50
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    most liberals are brainwashed and stupid!
  • tncdel 2012/05/02 21:11:12 (edited)
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    I can't help wonder whether Soros made a wager with another multi-billionaire that he could make someone president of the U.S. even if he was from another country. Either some scenario like that, or, which is far more likely, just a stunt pulled by the New World Order to undermine our Constitution.

  • BritPunk tncdel 2012/05/02 21:25:13
    BritPunk
    But that still doesn't explain why Chewbacca CHOSE to live on Endor. Quod Erat Demonstrandum, I do believe.
  • Beat Magnum True Hero 2012/05/02 20:22:20
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    Beat Magnum True Hero
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    I guess that when the party has s***ty candidates, this is the best that they can do.
  • Alexander 2012/05/02 19:54:32
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    Since the Governor of Hawaii tried to find his Birth Certificate and discovered it did not exist. The only answer to your question is if you were an american citizen and your were born in Hawaii you would not have to create a forgery, because you would have one. According to witnesses at the party at Bill Ayers home in Chicago stated that Bill Ayers introduced Obama to them as a foreign student here on a visa. I was born in 1954 and had no trouble getting a Birth Certificate in 1999 from the Office of Vital Registry. Come on people Obama is depending on your stupidity and it keeps working every time.
  • Kane Fernau 2012/05/02 19:48:33
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    You can't trust anything. A Natural Born citizen has 2 parents that are citizens of the US..
  • David 2012/05/02 19:40:07 (edited)
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    Because "the smartest president ev-ah" ... isn't. Austrian language, 57 States, "corpse man" and many, many more examples of his "great intellect" notwithstanding *cough*, The Zero is really just a semi-glib affirmative action wannabe smart guy. So, being the great mind *gag* that he is, The Zero thinks everyone is stupider than he is. Unfortunately, for a large portion of the population he's right... *sigh*
  • ur XLNC-PWCM 2012/05/02 19:04:24
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    ur XLNC-PWCM
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    I'm beginning to think that the fix is in, and has been for some time. His behavoir, is the behavoir of someone that KNOWS something, and iis rubbing in everyone's face. This document is so contrived that even I see it. African-American '61......c'mon!
  • Mark In Irvine 2012/05/02 18:56:50
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  • Lady Wh... Mark In... 2012/05/02 19:40:06
    Lady Whitewolf
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    agreed
  • tncdel Mark In... 2012/05/02 21:14:04
  • Mark In... tncdel 2012/05/02 21:43:39
    Mark In Irvine
    remember my prediction that he'll be reelected!
  • Wyzard 2012/05/02 18:41:41
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    Because Obama has a lot of things to hide!
  • dasimon1 2012/05/02 18:14:32
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    dasimon1
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    From watching and analizing this so called birth certificate...it was done in stages and only with the right soft ware. Pros in the field have said it's a phoney. I have watched 3 programs so far and they all say its not a clean birth certificate.I don't know about a foreign national........But he should be impeached for fraud and endangering the life of the country . Obamanation will NEVER happen Barry!!
  • micha77 2012/05/02 18:07:33
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    All indications are he was born in Kenya, to an American born mother and a Kenyan born father. Given the cloudy history of where he lived and what documentation still exists, it is difficult to determine what country he can actually lay claim to as a citizen of that country.
  • fortycal_sig 2012/05/02 18:04:05
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    Well, I don't think this rises to the level of a "theory," but the game that's afoot could be one of delegitimizing the office and/or forcing a lowering of the effective requirements for office by making the issue "settled" or "untouchable." If so, I don't think it's gonna work.
  • mal 2012/05/02 17:59:29
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    Not to mention spending 800,000 worthless dollars on hiding everything about himself that was incriminating.
  • Ashley 2012/05/02 17:42:35
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    Ashley
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    The doc presented was not a birth certificate. Soemthing on the BC that he does not want shown.
  • relic 2012/05/02 17:37:38
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    Oslime is an Illegal Alien.
  • John James 2012/05/02 17:22:22
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    John James
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    This all came up in 2008, instead the left was able to make this a so called birther issue. The real problem is no matter how you slice it, obama is not a natural born citizen. His father was a Bristish subject, so obama can never be a natural born citizen.
  • tncdel John James 2012/05/02 17:50:47
    tncdel
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    Hawaii also [conveniently for Obama's purposes] allows births elsewhere to be reported as having taken place in Hawaii.
  • John James tncdel 2012/05/02 17:57:37
    John James
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    Good point.
  • Mark In... tncdel 2012/05/02 21:45:06
    Mark In Irvine
    care to refer us to competent authority to support this contention of yours?
  • Mark In... John James 2012/05/02 21:45:54
    Mark In Irvine
    American mother, born in Hawaii, that makes him a natural born citizen ... please do your research.
  • John James Mark In... 2012/05/02 22:43:26
    John James
    +1
    Father was a British subject, he is not a natural born citizen
  • Mark In... John James 2012/05/03 00:38:52
    Mark In Irvine
    Mother was American; he was born in Hawaii (so says Hawaii) ... that makes Obama a natural born American ...
  • John James Mark In... 2012/05/03 03:12:24
    John James
    +1
    His father was a British Subject, that means he is not a natural born citizen
  • Mark In... John James 2012/05/03 03:51:35 (edited)
    Mark In Irvine
    you are wrong, and i'm not wasting any more time on trying to disabuse you of your error.

    OK ... i'll waste a bit more time ...

    http://urbanlegends.about.com...

    Article II of the U.S. Constitution indeed specifies that only natural-born citizens are eligible for the office of the presidency:

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
    Though the term "natural-born citizen" was left undefined by the Framers of the Constitution, it was broadly understood in English common law at the time as referring to one who possesses citizenship by virtue of the circumstances of their birth, which is still the general meaning of the phrase as it's used today.

    In the United States there are two established legal principles upon which individuals are said to acquire citizenship at birth: jus sanguinus ("right of blood"), meaning citizenship conferred by being born to parents who are U.S. citizens, and jus soli ("right of soil"), meaning citizenship conferred by being born on U.S. soil. Per the Fourteent...















    you are wrong, and i'm not wasting any more time on trying to disabuse you of your error.

    OK ... i'll waste a bit more time ...

    http://urbanlegends.about.com...

    Article II of the U.S. Constitution indeed specifies that only natural-born citizens are eligible for the office of the presidency:

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
    Though the term "natural-born citizen" was left undefined by the Framers of the Constitution, it was broadly understood in English common law at the time as referring to one who possesses citizenship by virtue of the circumstances of their birth, which is still the general meaning of the phrase as it's used today.

    In the United States there are two established legal principles upon which individuals are said to acquire citizenship at birth: jus sanguinus ("right of blood"), meaning citizenship conferred by being born to parents who are U.S. citizens, and jus soli ("right of soil"), meaning citizenship conferred by being born on U.S. soil. Per the Fourteenth Amendment, which states that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside," all individuals born on U.S. soil are considered "birthright citizens" under the law regardless of the citizenship status of their parents.

    Citizenship status of Barack Obama's parents

    The forwarded email asserts that because Obama's Kenyan father wasn't a U.S. citizen, and because his mother, who was a citizen, didn't fulfill the supposed legal requirement of "resid[ing] in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16," Obama himself was therefore not a citizen at birth.

    That is false on two counts:

    Obama was born on U.S. soil — in Honolulu, Hawaii — and was therefore a citizen at birth by virtue of the Fourteenth Amendment (and the principle of jus soli).
    The stated residency requirement, in effect between 1952 and 1986, applied only to parents of individuals born outside the United States.
    Therefore Barack Obama is, in fact, a U.S. citizen. However, some still argue that he is not a natural-born citizen. The reasons have to do with the disputed meaning of the term "natural born."

    'Natural born' vs. 'native born'

    In lawsuits challenging Obama's Constitutional eligibility it has been argued that while birth on U.S. soil confers "birthright" or "native-born" citizenship, it does not confer natural-born citizenship unless both parents are also U.S. citizens. Citing precedents they claim establish the Framers' intent to disqualify individuals who could possess dual nationality or dual allegiance by virtue of having a foreign national for a parent, these litigants assert that such an individual ought not to be regarded as a natural-born citizen eligible to hold the office of the presidency (for example, see Leo D'Onofrio, "Why Obama Is Ineligible - Regardless of His Birthplace").

    But among Constitutional scholars the distinction between "natural born" and "native born" is not universally accepted as a crucial one. Short of a Supreme Court decision or legislative statute settling the matter, it remains but one way of interpreting a longstanding legal ambiguity concerning the eligibility clause. There are other interpretations, most notably that found in an analysis of Republican presidential candidate John McCain's standing as a natural-born citizen conducted in 2008 by former U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson and Constitutional law professor Laurence Tribe. In their view — "based," Tribe and Olson wrote, "on the original meaning of the Constitution, the Framers' intentions, and subsequent legal precedent" — either the fact of birth on U.S. soil or the fact of birth to parents who are U.S. citizens is independently sufficient to confer natural born status.
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  • John James Mark In... 2012/05/03 04:22:11
    John James
    http://www.federalistblog.us/...

    Natural-Born Citizen Defined

    One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law. If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example), they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen. This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature – laws the founders recognized and embraced.

    Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations. Sen. Howard said the citizenship clause under the Fourteenth Amendment was by virtue of “natural law and national law.”

    The advantages of Natural Law is competing allegiances between nations are not claimed, or at least with those nations whose custom is to not make citizens of other countries citizens without their consent. Under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes (1866) made clear other nation’s citizens would not be claimed: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”

    ...
    http://www.federalistblog.us/...

    Natural-Born Citizen Defined

    One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law. If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example), they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen. This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature – laws the founders recognized and embraced.

    Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations. Sen. Howard said the citizenship clause under the Fourteenth Amendment was by virtue of “natural law and national law.”

    The advantages of Natural Law is competing allegiances between nations are not claimed, or at least with those nations whose custom is to not make citizens of other countries citizens without their consent. Under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes (1866) made clear other nation’s citizens would not be claimed: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”

    Rep. John A. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
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  • John James Mark In... 2012/05/03 04:23:19
    John James
    Sorry. left wing spew are not facts

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