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  • Common ... kiwimac 2012/07/03 01:54:05
    Common Sense Conservative
    Have you proved just ONE wrong?
  • kiwimac Common ... 2012/07/03 05:37:55
    kiwimac
    Yes, I have
  • Common ... kiwimac 2012/07/03 14:16:35
    Common Sense Conservative
    When and where? Not here.
  • zapped kiwimac 2012/07/01 02:53:35
    zapped
    +3
    so ya cant prove any of your allegations ..right ?

    how did obama program you in new zealand,,, his voice right ?
  • Chokmah zapped 2012/07/01 03:54:13
  • zapped Chokmah 2012/07/01 04:36:00
    zapped
    +4
    thankgod the conservatives are able to resist the programming ...

    something about a higher level of intelligence ,,and ability to decifer common sense !
  • Common ... zapped 2012/07/01 04:40:03
    Common Sense Conservative
    +4
    Liberals have ZERO common sense.
  • zapped Common ... 2012/07/01 05:03:09
    zapped
    +3
    exactly my point ......

    their programmed psychice wont allow the logical decision making process to happen .

    ask any psychologist or trained hypnotist ...!
  • Common ... zapped 2012/07/01 05:19:32
    Common Sense Conservative
    +3
    I agree.
  • Chokmah zapped 2012/07/01 07:02:06
  • zapped Chokmah 2012/07/01 20:44:11 (edited)
    zapped
    +1
    sorry ...
  • Chokmah zapped 2012/07/01 22:44:34
  • zapped Chokmah 2012/07/02 00:00:26
    zapped
    +1
    I'm as conserv as you can get ...what your comment to me ...?
  • Chokmah zapped 2012/07/02 05:18:18
    Chokmah
    +1
    Okey Dokey, must have been a case of mistaken identity... I thought you were the liberal bast*rd that was referring to me as 'wondertard'. I had meant to direct my post toward joseph
  • zapped Chokmah 2012/07/02 16:37:24
    zapped
    +1
    well I THINK THERE WAS A MIS -UNDERSTANDING BOTH WAYS !

    sorry if I offended you as well !

    joseph has me blocked ...so some times & use a friend to get at him ..or I just ignore his useless comments !
  • George 2012/07/01 01:23:38
    George
    +6
    Yup, these just about sum it all up about the left.
    Id add just one word, HYPOCRITES!
  • Common ... George 2012/07/01 01:25:10
    Common Sense Conservative
    +3
    Very well said.
  • joseph ... George 2012/07/01 03:45:48
    joseph digristina
    Of course there are no hypocritical liars on the right. You are all perfect citizens, even if you have to destroy the country to rebuild it in your totalitarian image of it.
  • Muriel 2012/07/01 00:56:24
    Muriel
    +4
    So true. The logic speaks for itself.
  • Common ... Muriel 2012/07/01 01:25:21
    Common Sense Conservative
    Yeppers
  • belle 2012/07/01 00:15:41
    belle
    +7
    But as they would say, "YOU GOTTA SEE IT FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW", which according to them is the only real point of view. But as usual they make no sense and they don't care as long as they are in control of congress or in the White House. It is called the DC mentality and the bias news media that sides with them on things wrong for this country.
  • MkB 2012/07/01 00:13:55
    MkB
    +4
    Too funny.
  • Leantom, the Economic Ratio... 2012/07/01 00:10:15
    Leantom, the Economic Rationalist
    +6
    And what's even more shocking is that all these captions are true.
  • gil vazquez 2012/06/30 23:53:37
    gil vazquez
    +2
    I have to admit that was pretty creative. By the way Hows that Global warming myth treating you guys?
  • Common ... gil vaz... 2012/07/01 00:19:17
    Common Sense Conservative
    +2
    Global warming? Really? Prove it. I have time.
  • gil vaz... Common ... 2012/07/01 01:10:41 (edited)
    gil vazquez
    +1
    look at the news....record heatwave across the country. take your time.
  • Common ... gil vaz... 2012/07/01 01:38:26
    Common Sense Conservative
    +2
    No kidding? Did you just look that up? You should be a meteorologist. Isn't it just nuts, Atlanta hit 106 the other day, highest ever, since it hit 105 in 1980. I wonder what happened to all those years in between? 32 of them.

    With your logic, shouldn't every city be seeing record highs? Problem is, out of 50 states, not even one state has set a new high temperature this year. Not one.

    Brilliant!!!
  • gil vaz... Common ... 2012/07/01 01:49:07
    gil vazquez
    +1
    Timeline (Milestones)
    Here are gathered in chronological sequence the most important events in the history of climate change science. (For a narrative see the Introduction: summary history.) This list of milestones includes major influences external to the science itself. Following it is a list of other external influences.

    1800-1870
    Level of carbon dioxide gas (CO2) in the atmosphere, as later measured in ancient ice, is about 290 ppm (parts per million).

    Mean global temperature (1850-1870) is about 13.6°C.

    First Industrial Revolution. Coal, railroads, and land clearing speed up greenhouse gas emission, while better agriculture and sanitation speed up population growth.

    1824
    Fourier calculates that the Earth would be far colder if it lacked an atmosphere. =>Simple models

    1859
    Tyndall discovers that some gases block infrared radiation. He suggests that changes in the concentration of the gases could bring climate change. =>Other gases

    1896
    Arrhenius publishes first calculation of global warming from human emissions of CO2. =>Simple models

    1897
    Chamberlin produces a model for global carbon exchange including feedbacks. =>Simple models

    1870-1910
    Second Industrial Revolution. Fertilizers and other chemicals, electricity, and public health further accelerate growth.

    1914-1918
    World War I; governm...





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    Timeline (Milestones)
    Here are gathered in chronological sequence the most important events in the history of climate change science. (For a narrative see the Introduction: summary history.) This list of milestones includes major influences external to the science itself. Following it is a list of other external influences.

    1800-1870
    Level of carbon dioxide gas (CO2) in the atmosphere, as later measured in ancient ice, is about 290 ppm (parts per million).

    Mean global temperature (1850-1870) is about 13.6°C.

    First Industrial Revolution. Coal, railroads, and land clearing speed up greenhouse gas emission, while better agriculture and sanitation speed up population growth.

    1824
    Fourier calculates that the Earth would be far colder if it lacked an atmosphere. =>Simple models

    1859
    Tyndall discovers that some gases block infrared radiation. He suggests that changes in the concentration of the gases could bring climate change. =>Other gases

    1896
    Arrhenius publishes first calculation of global warming from human emissions of CO2. =>Simple models

    1897
    Chamberlin produces a model for global carbon exchange including feedbacks. =>Simple models

    1870-1910
    Second Industrial Revolution. Fertilizers and other chemicals, electricity, and public health further accelerate growth.

    1914-1918
    World War I; governments learn to mobilize and control industrial societies.

    1920-1925
    Opening of Texas and Persian Gulf oil fields inaugurates era of cheap energy.

    1930s
    Global warming trend since late 19th century reported. =>Modern temp's

    Milankovitch proposes orbital changes as the cause of ice ages. =>Climate cycles

    1938
    Callendar argues that CO2 greenhouse global warming is underway, reviving interest in the question. =>CO2 greenhouse

    1939-1945
    World War II. Military grand strategy is largely driven by a struggle to control oil fields.

    1945
    US Office of Naval Research begins generous funding of many fields of science, some of which happen to be useful for understanding climate change. =>Government

    1956
    Ewing and Donn offer a feedback model for quick ice age onset. =>Simple models

    Phillips produces a somewhat realistic computer model of the global atmosphere. =>Models (GCMs)

    Plass calculates that adding CO2 to the atmosphere will have a significant effect on the radiation balance. =>Radiation math

    1957
    Launch of Soviet Sputnik satellite. Cold War concerns support 1957-58 International Geophysical Year, bringing new funding and coordination to climate studies. =>International

    Revelle finds that CO2 produced by humans will not be readily absorbed by the oceans. =>CO2 greenhouse

    1958
    Telescope studies show a greenhouse effect raises temperature of the atmosphere of Venus far above the boiling point of water. =>Venus & Mars

    1960
    Mitchell reports downturn of global temperatures since the early 1940s.=>Modern temp's

    Keeling accurately measures CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere and detects an annual rise. =>CO2 greenhouse The level is 315 ppm. Mean global temperature (five-year average) is 13.9°C.

    1962
    Cuban Missile Crisis, peak of the Cold War.

    1963
    Calculations suggest that feedback with water vapor could make the climate acutely sensitive to changes in CO2 level. =>Radiation math

    1965
    Boulder, Colo. meeting on causes of climate change: Lorenz and others point out the chaotic nature of climate system and the possibility of sudden shifts. =>Chaos theory

    1966
    Emiliani's analysis of deep-sea cores and Broecker's analysis of ancient corals show that the timing of ice ages was set by small orbital shifts, suggesting that the climate system is sensitive to small changes. =>Climate cycles

    1967
    International Global Atmospheric Research Program established, mainly to gather data for better short-range weather prediction, but including climate. =>International

    Manabe and Wetherald make a convincing calculation that doubling CO2 would raise world temperatures a couple of degrees. =>Radiation math

    1968
    Studies suggest a possibility of collapse of Antarctic ice sheets, which would raise sea levels catastrophically. =>Sea rise & ice

    1969
    Astronauts walk on the Moon, and people perceive the Earth as a fragile whole. =>Public opinion

    Budyko and Sellers present models of catastrophic ice-albedo feedbacks. =>Simple models

    Nimbus III satellite begins to provide comprehensive global atmospheric temperature measurements. =>Government

    1970
    First Earth Day. Environmental movement attains strong influence, spreads concern about global degradation. =>Public opinion

    Creation of US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the world's leading funder of climate research. =>Government

    Aerosols from human activity are shown to be increasing swiftly. Bryson claims they counteract global warming and may bring serious cooling. =>Aerosols

    1971
    SMIC conference of leading scientists reports a danger of rapid and serious global change caused by humans, calls for an organized research effort. =>International

    Mariner 9 spacecraft finds a great dust storm warming the atmosphere of Mars, plus indications of a radically different climate in the past.=>Venus & Mars

    1972
    Ice cores and other evidence show big climate shifts in the past between relatively stable modes in the space of a thousand years or so, especially around 11,000 years ago. =>Rapid change

    Droughts in Africa, Ukraine, India cause world food crisis, spreading fears about climate change. =>Public opinion

    1973
    Oil embargo and price rise bring first "energy crisis". =>Government

    1974
    Serious droughts since 1972 increase concern about climate, with cooling from aerosols suspected to be as likely as warming; scientists are doubtful as journalists talk of a new ice age.=>Public opinion

    1975
    Warnings about environmental effects of airplanes leads to investigations of trace gases in the stratosphere and discovery of danger to ozone layer. =>Other gases

    Manabe and collaborators produce complex but plausible computer models which show a temperature rise of several degrees for doubled CO2. =>Models (GCMs)

    1976
    Studies show that CFCs (1975) and also methane and ozone (1976) can make a serious contribution to the greenhouse effect. =>Other gases

    Deep-sea cores show a dominating influence from 100,000-year Milankovitch orbital changes, emphasizing the role of feedbacks. =>Climate cycles

    Deforestation and other ecosystem changes are recognized as major factors in the future of the climate. =>Biosphere
    Eddy shows that there were prolonged periods without sunspots in past centuries, corresponding to cold periods .=>Solar variation

    1977
    Scientific opinion tends to converge on global warming, not cooling, as the chief climate risk in next century. =>Public opinion

    1978
    Attempts to coordinate climate research in US end with an inadequate National Climate Program Act, accompanied by rapid but temporary growth in funding. =>Government

    1979
    Second oil "energy crisis." Strengthened environmental movement encourages renewable energy sources, inhibits nuclear energy growth. =>Public opinion

    US National Academy of Sciences report finds it highly credible that doubling CO2 will bring 1.5-4.5°C global warming. =>Models (GCMs)

    World Climate Research Programme launched to coordinate international research. =>International

    1981
    Election of Reagan brings backlash against environmental movement to power. Political conservatism is linked to skepticism about global warming. =>Government

    IBM Personal Computer introduced. Advanced economies are increasingly delinked from energy.

    Hansen and others show that sulfate aerosols can significantly cool the climate, raising confidence in models showing future greenhouse warming. =>Aerosols

    Some scientists predict greenhouse warming "signal" should be visible by about the year 2000. =>Modern temp's

    1982
    Greenland ice cores reveal drastic temperature oscillations in the space of a century in the distant past. =>Rapid change

    Strong global warming since mid-1970s is reported, with 1981 the warmest year on record. =>Modern temp's

    1983
    Reports from US National Academy of Sciences and Environmental Protection Agency spark conflict, as greenhouse warming becomes prominent in mainstream politics. =>Government

    1985
    Ramanathan and collaborators announce that global warming may come twice as fast as expected, from rise of methane and other trace greenhouse gases.=>Other gases

    Villach Conference declares consensus among experts that some global warming seems inevitable, calls on governments to consider international agreements to restrict emissions.=>International

    Antarctic ice cores show that CO2 and temperature went up and down together through past ice ages, pointing to powerful biological and geochemical feedbacks. =>CO2

    Broecker speculates that a reorganization of North Atlantic Ocean circulation can bring swift and radical climate change. =>The oceans

    1987
    Montreal Protocol of the Vienna Convention imposes international restrictions on emission of ozone-destroying gases. =>International

    1988
    News media coverage of global warming leaps upward following record heat and droughts plus testimony by Hansen. =>Public opinion

    Toronto conference calls for strict, specific limits on greenhouse gas emissions; UK Prime Minister Thatcher is first major leader to call for action. =>International

    Ice-core and biology studies confirm living ecosystems give climate feedback by way of methane, which could accelerate global warming. =>Other gases

    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is established. =>International

    1989
    Fossil-fuel and other U.S. industries form Global Climate Coalition to tell politicians and the public that climate science is too uncertain to justify action. =>Public opinion

    1990
    First IPCC report says world has been warming and future warming seems likely. =>International

    1991
    Mt. Pinatubo explodes; Hansen predicts cooling pattern, verifying (by 1995) computer models of aerosol effects. =>Aerosols

    Global warming skeptics claim that 20th-century temperature changes followed from solar influences. (The solar-climate correlation would fail in the following decade.) =>Solar variation

    Studies from 55 million years ago show possibility of eruption of methane from the seabed with enormous self-sustained warming. =>Rapid change

    1992
    Conference in Rio de Janeiro produces UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, but US blocks calls for serious action. =>International

    Study of ancient climates reveals climate sensitivity in same range as predicted independently by computer models. =>Models (GCMs)

    1993
    Greenland ice cores suggest that great climate changes (at least on a regional scale) can occur in the space of a single decade. =>Rapid change

    1995
    Second IPCC report detects "signature" of human-caused greenhouse effect warming, declares that serious warming is likely in the coming century. =>International

    Reports of the breaking up of Antarctic ice shelves and other signs of actual current warming in polar regions begin affecting public opinion. =>Public opinion

    1997
    Toyota introduces Prius in Japan, first mass-market electric hybrid car; swift progress in large wind turbines and other energy alternatives.

    International conference produces Kyoto Protocol, setting targets for industrialized nations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions if enough nations sign onto a treaty (rejected by US Senate in advance). =>International

    1998
    "Super El Niño" causes weather disasters and warmest year on record (approximately matched by 2005, 2007 and 2010). Borehole data confirm extraordinary warming trend. =>Modern temp's

    Qualms about arbitrariness in computer models diminish as teams model ice-age climate and dispense with special adjustments to reproduce current climate. =>Models (GCMs)

    1999
    Criticism that satellite measurements show no warming are dismissed by National Academy Panel. =>Modern temp's

    Ramanathan detects massive "brown cloud" of aerosols from South Asia. =>Aerosols

    2000
    Global Climate Coalition dissolves as many corporations grapple with threat of warming, but oil lobby convinces US administration to deny problem. =>Public opinion

    Variety of studies emphasize variability and importance of biological feedbacks in carbon cycle, liable to accelerate warming. =>Biosphere

    2001
    Third IPCC report states baldly that global warming, unprecedented since end of last ice age, is "very likely," with possible severe surprises. Effective end of debate among all but a few scientists. =>International

    Bonn meeting, with participation of most countries but not US, develops mechanisms for working towards Kyoto targets. =>International

    National Academy panel sees a "paradigm shift" in scientific recognition of the risk of abrupt climate change (decade-scale). =>Rapid change

    Warming observed in ocean basins; match with computer models gives a clear signature of greenhouse effect warming. =>Models (GCMs)

    2002
    Studies find surprisingly strong "global dimming," due to pollution, has retarded arrival of greenhouse warming, but dimming is now decreasing. =>Aerosols

    2003
    Numerous observations raise concern that collapse of ice sheets (West Antarctica, Greenland) can raise sea levels faster than most had believed. =>Sea rise & ice

    Deadly summer heat wave in Europe accelerates divergence between European and US public opinion. =>Public opinion

    2004
    First major books, movie and art work featuring global warming appear. =>Public opinion

    2005
    Kyoto treaty goes into effect, signed by major industrial nations except US. Work to retard emissions accelerates in Japan, Western Europe, US regional governments and corporations .
    =>International

    Hurricane Katrina and other major tropical storms spur debate over impact of global warming on storm intensity. =>Sea rise & ice

    2006
    In longstanding "hockey stick" controversy, scientists conclude post-1980 global warming was unprecedented for centuries or more. =>Modern temp's The rise could not be attributed to changes in solar energy. =>Solar variation

    "An Inconvenient Truth" documentary persuades many but sharpens political polarization. =>Public opinion

    2007
    Fourth IPCC report warns that serious effects of warming have become evident; cost of reducing emissions would be far less than the damage they will cause. =>International

    Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets and Arctic Ocean sea-ice cover found to be shrinking faster than expected.=>Sea rise & ice

    2009
    Many experts warn that global warming is arriving at a faster and more dangerous pace than anticipated just a few years earlier. =>International

    Excerpts from stolen e-mails of climate scientists fuel public skepticism.=>Public opinion

    Copenhagen conference fails to negotiate binding agreements: end of hopes of avoiding dangerous future climate change. =>International

    Level of CO2 in the atmosphere reaches 385 ppm.

    Mean global temperature (five-year average) is 14.5°C, the warmest in hundreds, and probably thousands of years.
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  • Chokmah gil vaz... 2012/07/01 03:55:50
  • gil vaz... Chokmah 2012/07/01 04:07:27
  • gil vaz... gil vaz... 2012/07/01 04:09:11
    gil vazquez
    +1
    You republicans think we are stupid huh? Same source buddy!
  • Common ... gil vaz... 2012/07/01 04:28:24
    Common Sense Conservative
    +1
    Buy an air conditioner
  • gil vaz... Common ... 2012/07/01 04:35:56 (edited)
    gil vazquez
    +1
    I have an air conditioner it blows just like you. You got to admit that was a good one! hahahahah
  • Common ... gil vaz... 2012/07/01 04:42:10
    Common Sense Conservative
    +1
    Not at all.

    Global warming, best weather I've seen in California this time of year in a long time.,

    I guess while parts of the country are taking part in global warming, others are taking part in global cooling.

    Brilliant!!!
  • gil vaz... Common ... 2012/07/02 14:19:00
    gil vazquez
    +1
    Yeah were just out here kicking back checking out the babes in bikinis, drinking Lattes and smoking joints and thinking of all you "Brilliant" schmucks.
  • Common ... gil vaz... 2012/07/01 04:27:16
    Common Sense Conservative
    +1
    Are you really going to post nonsense like this. Theories
  • gil vaz... Common ... 2012/07/01 04:35:18
    gil vazquez
    +1
    I just posted the same thing you did but recent. What's the matter? Can't take the heat?
  • Common ... gil vaz... 2012/07/01 04:42:36
    Common Sense Conservative
    +1
    They are theories.

    Brilliant!!!
  • gil vaz... Common ... 2012/07/03 22:48:38
    gil vazquez
    Heat is beating records around the country: the first five months of 2012 have been the hottest on record in the contiguous United States. And that's not including June, when 164 all-time high temperature records were tied or broken around the country, according to government records.

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    That's unusual, since the most intense heat usually comes in July and August for much of the country, said Jake Crouch, a climate scientist with National Climatic Data Center. For example, only 47 all-time high records were tied or broken in June of last year.

    Also, more than 40,000 daily heat records have been broken around the country so far this year, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Compare that with last year —the ninth warmest on record — when only 25,000 daily records had been set by this date.

    IN PICTURES: Beating the summer heat

    In other words, the heat really is that bad. And behind the records is a set of weather and climate conditions that is keeping the heat locked in over the country,...





























    Heat is beating records around the country: the first five months of 2012 have been the hottest on record in the contiguous United States. And that's not including June, when 164 all-time high temperature records were tied or broken around the country, according to government records.

    Related stories

    In Pictures: Beating the summer heat

    Heat wave: What's behind this summer's record heat?
    US heat wave: Three-digit temperatures recorded across Midwest
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    That's unusual, since the most intense heat usually comes in July and August for much of the country, said Jake Crouch, a climate scientist with National Climatic Data Center. For example, only 47 all-time high records were tied or broken in June of last year.

    Also, more than 40,000 daily heat records have been broken around the country so far this year, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Compare that with last year —the ninth warmest on record — when only 25,000 daily records had been set by this date.

    IN PICTURES: Beating the summer heat

    In other words, the heat really is that bad. And behind the records is a set of weather and climate conditions that is keeping the heat locked in over the country, with little respite in sight.

    Can't stand the heat

    The warm summer follows an unusually warm winter, which was the hottest and driest that the western United States has ever seen since records have been kept, said Jeff Weber, a scientist with the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo.

    The heat burning up the country right now is due in part to a persistent high pressure system, also called a heat ridge or dome, which parked itself over the mountain west, and has now shifted east into the Midwest and Southeast. The system is unfortunately stuck in place, Weber said, because of a slowdown of the North Atlantic Oscillation, a climate pattern that pulls weather patterns eastward across the country.

    This "blocking" of the Atlantic has caused the jet stream, which normally ferries air from west to east across the United States, to buckle and trap heat in the Midwest and Southeast, Weber told OurAmazingPlanet.

    High and dry

    That's not unusual in the summer, said National Weather Service meteorologist Greg Carbin. But this pattern of hot air does cover a broader area than usual, and the total amount of hot air is greater, stretching higher up in the atmosphere than normal, he said.

    Dry soils, in part a product of the dry winter, exacerbate the heat. "If the soils were wetter, more energy would be absorbed by the water and the daily high temperatures wouldn't be as warm," Crouch told OurAmazingPlanet. For example, southern Georgia and Florida, drenched by Tropical Storm Debby, haven't been as hot as areas to the north in the last week or so.

    Unfortunately, the heat doesn't look likely to dissipate soon, with the National Weather Service expecting warmer-than-usual temperatures to continue for the remainder of the summer across much of the country. The southwest and Rocky Mountains could be in for a reprieve soon, however, thanks to the beginning of the North American monsoon , which is predicted to start bringing moisture and cooler temperatures into the area later this week, Weber said. [Editor's note: An earlier version mischaracterized the North American monsoon.]

    Climate change?

    The early heat waves of summer — following higher temperatures in spring and winter — could also be part of a pattern of climate change.

    "It's consistent with what we'd expect in a warming climate, but it's hard to quantify any effect climate change might have on an individual event like this heat wave," Crouch said.

    While only one heat wave cannot by itself be linked to climate change, a significant increase in these types of events over time could be a hallmark of a warming planet. "An increasing frequency of heat waves —that's one aspect of climate change you can point to," Carbin said.

    Over the past few years, daily record high temperatures have been outpacing daily record lows by 2-to-1 on average, according to the website Climate Central. A 2009 study found that if the climate were not warming, that ratio would be expected to be even. So far this year, there have been 40,113 high temperature records set or tied, compared with just 5,835 cold records, a ratio of about 7-to-1.

    "This could be a harbinger of things to come," Weber said.

    Excerpts from the Christian Science Monitor
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    Common Sense Conservative
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