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Liberal lie #1

Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/06/01 22:24:49
1. The rich don't pay their fair share.

Warren Buffett as quoted from the NY Times.

"...Blessings
are showered upon [the super-rich] by legislators in Washington who
feel compelled to protect us, much as if we were spotted owls or some
other endangered species. It’s nice to have friends in high places.


Last
year my federal tax bill — the income tax I paid, as well as payroll
taxes paid by me and on my behalf — was $6,938,744. That sounds like a
lot of money. But what I paid was only 17.4 percent of my taxable
income — and that’s actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of
the other 20 people in our office. Their tax burdens ranged from 33
percent to 41 percent and averaged 36 percent.


My
friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly
Congress. It’s time for our government to get serious about shared
sacrifice."

As you can see from the graph, the percentages he quotes about the people in his office is fundamentally untrue, not to mention that he's comparing his Capital Gains Taxes with their Income Taxes...apples and oranges.



untrue mention comparing capital gains taxes income taxes apples oranges
Hey, Mr. Buffet! All you and your liberal rich friends need to do is send the IRS a check and make it all equal. And, you could go ahead and pay that billion dollars that you owe in back taxes...that would help a bunch. If your office averaged those tax rates, they must be in the top 1% themselves! Put up or shut up!



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  • ThinkAboutIt! 2012/06/04 17:23:07
    ThinkAboutIt!
    +1
    He should then lead by example and pay what he feels is his fair share.
    If you don't like the rich, Buffet is the most evil of them all.
  • akgold 2012/06/04 17:08:26
    akgold
    +2
    Buffet blows. He is giving his money to the B & M Gates Foundation because he knows the private will ALWAYS do better than the public sector.
  • gocar 2012/06/04 02:17:16
    gocar
    What, and let you free loaders get away without doing a fair share?
  • Gracie ... gocar 2012/06/04 02:21:35
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Yeah, that 2.6% from half of the country is really a fair share.
  • Kat ♪ 2012/06/03 15:41:33
    Kat ♪
    +3
    Everyone is paying too much. Cut the federal greed, waste, fraud and corruption and we wouldn't need to pay nearly as much.
  • 'Zedd 2012/06/03 14:32:25 (edited)
  • Gracie ... 'Zedd 2012/06/03 15:17:43
  • Ron in Oregon 2012/06/03 14:05:25
    Ron in Oregon
    +2
    They are giving many choices for Romney's VP selection, maybe he should seriously consider Cain and his 9,9,9, plan.
  • Dan (Politicaly Incorrect) 2012/06/03 04:14:53
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +3
    They need to cut spending and go to the fair tax.
  • Gracie ... Dan (Po... 2012/06/03 13:21:59
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +3
    See how simple that is? How can their reconcile the fact that they are spending a trillion a year more than they are receiving? I'm glad they aren't running my household, but I guess in a way they are.
  • Dan (Po... Gracie ... 2012/06/04 11:37:43
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +1
    These politicians are living in an ivory tower. In D.C. There is no resession and no lack of jobs. Of course, those jobs are mostly Government jobs and 6 figure incomes. All other businesses are benefiting in that area are benefiting from that.
    We are paying for it all through inflation and taxes. It is unsustainable and will eventually all come crashing down. By then it will be to late for anyone to do anything.
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/06/02 17:34:43
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +6
    Buffett should shut his mouth and pay the 100 million he is fighting - it is a start.
  • Gracie ... Jackie ... 2012/06/02 18:56:05
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +6
    Ain't that the truth! Him and all his Democrat friends who owe taxes should pay up before they speak out!
  • Teri- Oregon 2012/06/02 00:27:53
  • texasred 2012/06/02 00:04:07
    texasred
    +7
    Knock off the wasteful spending; fix the tax loopholes and prosecute the tax cheast in Obama's administration.... we'll have plenty of money!
  • Tinka123 2012/06/01 23:03:38
    Tinka123
    +8
    My opinion - everyone is paying by far more in taxes than they should be.
  • Murph 65 Tinka123 2012/06/01 23:09:52
    Murph 65
    +8
    There you go, Tinka. I'm not buying this crap about there's no where to cut spending and we need more money here in DC. If they get more, they'll spend more. They will create another place for money to go. Enough already.
  • Tinka123 Murph 65 2012/06/01 23:15:40
    Tinka123
    +6
    "If they get more, they'll spend more. They will create another place for money to go."

    Exactly. They'll just drop into the bottomless pit that is "legislation." I agree, enough already. They can't even fulfill their most basic obligation - drafting a budget - and they want more money? No way - forget that.
  • Murph 65 Tinka123 2012/06/02 13:21:39
    Murph 65
    +5
    I couldn't agree more. And they have to keep coming up with "helpful legislation" to warrant keeping the jobs of the people in their office. Same goes for the agencies. They have to look for places and things to regulate to warrant keeping the employees they have, hiring more and maintaining whatever amount of money they are being budgeted.
  • Tinka123 Murph 65 2012/06/02 15:25:52
    Tinka123
    +3
    Precisely
  • FeedFwd Tinka123 2012/06/02 23:49:35
    FeedFwd
    +3
    You have to wonder what idiots are running other countries like China who continue to lend to the USA.
  • Tinka123 FeedFwd 2012/06/03 00:20:36
    Tinka123
    +2
    That's a very good point. Honestly, I think China is taking from our playbook and doing to U.S. whats we 'did' to the Soviets.
  • Gracie ... Tinka123 2012/06/01 23:41:58
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +5
    I totally agree that the tax structure as it is only gives power to government. If we had something like a flat tax or FairTax they wouldn't be able to buy votes or control us through the IRS.
  • Tinka123 Gracie ... 2012/06/01 23:53:30
    Tinka123
    +4
    Yes, agreed. I'm not a fan of the income tax at all. I think Ron Paul was right when he said it's morally wrong because it sews the seeds of destruction. But anything would be better than what we have now. I'm not opposed to the Fair Tax. I think a consumption tax could work as well.
  • Murph 65 Tinka123 2012/06/02 13:24:46
    Murph 65
    +3
    Have always like the consumption tax. Rich people spend more, buy more expensive items, therefore give more over in tax. Poor people do the reverse, and we in the middle get a break.
  • FeedFwd Murph 65 2012/06/03 00:05:44
    FeedFwd
    +4
    One of the great side benefits with a consumption tax is that we see the tax we pay every time we buy something. It really hits home when you see 30% or so tacked onto your bill and makes you ask what you are getting for it. Today, too many tax payers never see their taxes or realize just how much is being withheld and if they get a refund, they look at it as a gift from Uncle Sam. How ridiculous is that?

    Another benefit is that by taxing domestic labor, domestic producers are at a cost disadvantage to foreign production that is not taxed equally, whereas a consumption tax would tax imports and domestic production alike, making domestic production more competitive without starting a trade war based on increased tariffs.
  • Murph 65 FeedFwd 2012/06/03 00:50:20
    Murph 65
    +3
    Agreed; however, I see no need for the consumption tax to rise above 10% for feds, which leaves the state and county to about 8%. We all could live much better on 18% of our money taxed. And the governments will take in more because every time something is sold they end up with their 10 or 8 percent, so they're still able to double and triple dip on the taxes.
  • FeedFwd Murph 65 2012/06/03 01:10:14
    FeedFwd
    +2
    You won't get an argument from me. I'd like it to be lower than 10%. But the people working to get the Fair Tax Plan passed, including a number of economists, have estimated it would be about 30% to be revenue neutral with what we have today.
  • Murph 65 FeedFwd 2012/06/03 01:21:37
    Murph 65
    +1
    Well, therein lies the rub, because we need to CUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE NEED, and then we can probably make a go of the 10 percent. Besides with a consumption tax everybody, crooks, those who hide assets, whatever, are in the game spending and getting taxed. And I know I'm not making a lot of sense tonight, shouldn't be on here tonight but my in-box way, way, way loaded and trying to thin it out some. However, old age and two days without sleep are catching up. Will try to get back and give you a more intelligent answer later. See ya.
  • FeedFwd Murph 65 2012/06/03 01:45:55 (edited)
    FeedFwd
    +1
    Hey, I don't disagree with you. I'm just using the number the Fair Tax Plan advocates have come up with. They get a lot of argument from those who oppose it. As I have often said, we are already borrowing almost half what we spend and we ought to make those highly paid federal agency bureau chiefs and cabinet members earn their pay and figure out how to run their agencies with an across the board 30% to 40% or more cut. And continue the across the board cuts annually until we pay off the federal debt.
  • Murph 65 FeedFwd 2012/06/03 22:30:57
    Murph 65
    +2
    Now that sounds like a working plan to me. And would not be at all unhappy if those in the GSA had to fork over some of the dough they "cheated" us out of and pay us back for starters.
  • FeedFwd Tinka123 2012/06/02 23:48:17
    FeedFwd
    +2
    As if the government could spend the money as productively people who have demonstrated an ability to create or preserve great wealth. Bridge to nowhere? Questionable "artwork"? Guns for drugs? We don't even need to get into the welfare payments and their immorality!
  • Tinka123 FeedFwd 2012/06/03 00:21:30
    Tinka123
    +2
    Exactly, the more they get the bigger they get.
  • Informed Voter 2012/06/01 22:47:35
    Informed Voter
    +4
    My favorite Liberal Lie was Larry Schweikart's Liberal Lie No. 30...

    “Lie #30: George W. Bush was Selected, Not Elected in 2000, and Votes Were Stolen On His Behalf”
    ref: Larry Schweikart, 48 Liberal Lies About American History, (New York, NY: The Penguin Group, 2009), p. 155.

    Schweikart sets the stage for us, describing the carnival-like atmosphere that permeated Florida with the on-again, off-again, Gore won, then Bush won, swing of fortune, the infamous “butterfly ballot,” and more importantly told the story of how the DNC was instrumental in voter fraud when thousands of ballots were punched twice.

    He would then offer the evidence. He demonstrates that it was actually the DNC, through the Texas-based telemarketing company they hired called TeleQuest, who contacted nearly all the Palm Beach voters (nearly 5000) and asked them to return to the polling place, “so that this problem can be fixed.” This was done, “an hour before the polls closed.” (Ibid, p. 156-7)

    A list of 2400 names were held in their queue… waiting. Then he nails the coffin to their argument shut!

    “Since it was not yet known whether the votes would be ‘needed’—because early calls of Florida had Gore winning—nothing was made public. But… when George Bush had amassed a lead, the DNC had tracked down th...



    My favorite Liberal Lie was Larry Schweikart's Liberal Lie No. 30...

    “Lie #30: George W. Bush was Selected, Not Elected in 2000, and Votes Were Stolen On His Behalf”
    ref: Larry Schweikart, 48 Liberal Lies About American History, (New York, NY: The Penguin Group, 2009), p. 155.

    Schweikart sets the stage for us, describing the carnival-like atmosphere that permeated Florida with the on-again, off-again, Gore won, then Bush won, swing of fortune, the infamous “butterfly ballot,” and more importantly told the story of how the DNC was instrumental in voter fraud when thousands of ballots were punched twice.

    He would then offer the evidence. He demonstrates that it was actually the DNC, through the Texas-based telemarketing company they hired called TeleQuest, who contacted nearly all the Palm Beach voters (nearly 5000) and asked them to return to the polling place, “so that this problem can be fixed.” This was done, “an hour before the polls closed.” (Ibid, p. 156-7)

    A list of 2400 names were held in their queue… waiting. Then he nails the coffin to their argument shut!

    “Since it was not yet known whether the votes would be ‘needed’—because early calls of Florida had Gore winning—nothing was made public. But… when George Bush had amassed a lead, the DNC had tracked down the voters and urged them to swear affidavits claiming they had been fooled by the butterfly ballot.” (Ibid, p. 157)

    Schweikart correctly demonstrated that not only did the Supreme Court rule correctly per the U.S. Constitution that the recount was unconstitutional, but a liberal source acting to vindicate Al Gore had determined that had the recount been accomplished, Bush would have won anyway!

    “Postscript: In November 2001, the University of Chicago’s National Opinion Research Center, with funding from the Miami Herald, conducted a comprehensive review of all uncounted machine ballots in the Florida 2000 election and concluded that the only way Gore could have won was by ‘using counting methods that were never requested, including ‘overvotes.’ Yet even this standard could not meet the constitutional test set by the Supreme Court for a statewide hand recount, which the consortium reluctantly agreed Bush would have won.” (Ibid, p. 161)
    (more)
  • Gracie ... Informe... 2012/06/01 22:49:39
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +4
    Who can ever forget that one! I live in Florida and I think I voted for the candidates that I intended to vote for. Does that make me smarter than a 3rd grader?
  • Informe... Gracie ... 2012/06/01 22:56:48
    Informed Voter
    +3
    Gracie, 3rd graders have more common sense than Democrats or their statist minions.

    Especially since they can be taken in by ads like this...

  • Gracie ... Informe... 2012/06/01 23:44:12
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +4
    OMG, how creepy was that? I missed that one, but I anticipate worse this summer.
  • Murph 65 Gracie ... 2012/06/01 23:11:09
    Murph 65
    +2
    Probably makes you smarter than the people counting the votes :)
  • Murph 65 Informe... 2012/06/02 13:26:56
    Murph 65
    +3
    Great post. Thanks for the info and the clarification.
  • Informe... Murph 65 2012/06/02 16:12:35
    Informed Voter
    +3
    Wouldn't it have been nice if we had an incorruptable press corps whose unswerving fidelity was to the citizens of this country?

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