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Levy Report out: what should Israel do?

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The Levy Report started a debate that demands that someone decide.
Only Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel can decide. He is at
heart a politician. So he might not want to decide. But now he must.


The Levy Report in detail

The Levy Report takes its name from Edmond Levy, retired Chief
Justice of the Israel Supreme Court. He headed the “Commission to
Examine the Status of Building in Judea and Samaria.” The Levy Report says:


Judea and Samaria (a/k/a “The West Bank”) are not “occupied
territories” in the classical sense. If anything, Israel got some of its
own land back in the 1967 War. (Jordan seized the land unlawfully in
1950. Before then, the Jews lived in that land for thirty-five hundred
years. Jordan has since renounced its claims.)


  1. The Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 does not apply here. The
    government of Israel has never forced a single Jew to live in that land.
  2. The government of Israel cannot pretend that they did not authorize any given settlement.
  3. The government should make up its mind about letting Jews settle
    there. It should say forthrightly whether it will let them settle or
    not, and where.
  4. Building within bounds of a settlement shouldn’t need a ministry official to let that happen. But the Minister of Defense should sign off on extending the bounds of a settlement.

The rest of the report discusses how to let a settlement expand, what
to do if a settlement didn’t submit a town plan, and how to resolve
conflicting claims to any land.


How Israel and the world reacts

The National Palestinian Authority rejected the Levy Report. This should surprise no one. A spokesman for PA chief Mahmoud Abbas said:


We will not sign any peace agreement if there is a [single] settlement on Palestinian Land.


The problem: what is “Palestinian land”? The PA went on to demand all
of the West Bank territory. (They spoke of “pre-1967 borders,” which
means the Green Line or 1949 Armistice Line.) In that case, the PA
really said that they want to make their land Judenrein, or
“Jew-free.” In case anyone still doubts that, the PA also said that they
want East Jerusalem back as the capital city of a new “Palestinian
state.”


Liberal Jews, in and out of Israel, are afraid to do the obvious thing: annex Judea and Samaria completely. Jonathan Rosen wrote in The Jerusalem Post
that every Israeli government since the Oslo Accords have said that
they wouldn’t let any Jews settle in the region. But the Jews settled
anyway. The government pretended that it never authorized them to
settle.


Legalizing the outposts would put an end to that façade
and would be a slap in the face of the international community,
including Israel’s friends and allies.


That much is true. The Levy Report does tell the government to drop
all pretense that it never let any Jews settle in Judea or Samaria after
the Oslo Accords. Prime Minister Netanyahu set up the Levy Commission,
and now he will have to decide. Does he accept the Levy Report, or not?
Rosen says that Netanyahu will not.


If he does not, then he will be acting like a politician. A statesman would accept the Levy Report and everything that it implies.That includes recognizing Judea and Samaria as belonging to Israel alone.


Trudy Rubin, in The Philadelphia Inquirer, calls
for Netanyahu to do the political thing. She offers two reasons for
this. Both are specious. First, she says that the Israel Defense Forces
would have to stand down and “hand back” the land. The Levy Report
suggests no such thing. Second, she is afraid that admitting 2.5 million
new Arab citizens would let the Arabs outvote the Jews in all of
Israel. She must rely on old demographic projections that simply do not
hold. In fact, Jews would still outnumber Arabs two-to-one, all told.
That ratio is not likely to fall and is more likely to rise.


Knesset Member Tzipi Hotovely wants the government to accept the Levy Report now. She is writing a bill to that effect and will introduce it to the Knesset.


The Edmund Levy report made a very clear legal
statement,” said Hotovely. “It said that every Israeli government can
build anywhere in Judea and Samaria and it said, in a very clear voice,
that this is not conquered land when it comes to international law


She stopped short of calling on the government to annex the land. But
today the Women in Green will open their second annual convention to
ask for exactly that. Yeshiva World News clearly wants
the same thing, though it is afraid that this will not happen. YWN
blamed “successive secular leaders” since Levi Eshkol for putting Israel
where it now sits, Eshkol was Prime Minister during the Six-Day War.


Naftali Bennett, in March of 2012, suggested doing something in-between: annexing only part of the West Bank land. The Oslo Accords divided the West Bank into three “areas,” though only one area is all in one piece:


  1. Area A: the cities of Jenin, Nablus, Ramallah, Jericho, Bethlehem,
    and Hebron, certain areas immediately around them, and another area
    south of Salfit. The PA, and only the PA, patrols those areas.
  2. Area B: villages slightly out from Area A regions. The PA collects taxes there, but the IDF patrols them.
  3. Area C: all the rest. Those are areas of Jewish settlement and
    Israeli administration and control. This is the all-in-one-piece area.

Bennett says that the government should take Area C and leave Areas A and B to a “Palestinian state.” (This map, from the UN humanitarian agency
for the West Bank and Gaza, shows Area C.) 96 percent of “Palestinians”
live in the A and B areas. Area C includes 59 percent of Judea and
Samaria. Bennett would offer full voting rights to the 4 percent of
“Palestinians” living in Area C. Bennett would also let Egypt annex the
Gaza Strip if it wants.


The Bennett plan came out ahead of the Levy Report. No one is talking about it, though the editors of Arutz-7
mentioned it in passing. Those most interested in Biblical, or at least
Old Testament, fidelity, might not want to surrender all those cities
permanently to Arab ownership and control.

So Israel has lots of choices. What should Israel do next?

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  • jean Lt. Fred 2012/07/22 03:24:53
    jean
    WE all know what it is.
  • Lt. Fred jean 2012/07/22 03:56:45
    Lt. Fred
    Yes. Justified lying about being a Muslim to preserve your life. Jews do the same thing when faced with death, as they should. It's perfectly normal behaviour.
  • jean Lt. Fred 2012/07/22 05:28:33 (edited)
    jean
    BIBLE
    Matthew 10:33
    But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.

    Isaiah 59:13
    rebellion and treachery against the LORD, turning our backs on our God, fomenting oppression and revolt, uttering lies our hearts have conceived.

    Muslims are taught to lie. Mohammad himself taught deceit.
  • Temlako... jean 2012/07/17 00:53:44
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +2
    Actually, Egypt was getting ready to die when the USSR stepped in. They threatened to "Doctor Strangelove" the world if Israel didn't pull back. (I remember when the US military went to DefCon Three.)
  • jean Temlako... 2012/07/17 00:59:06 (edited)
    jean
    +2
    That I can believe. I know the USSR refused to rearm them after seeing them losing. They knew that it wasn't any use in throwing away their arsenal of weapons on the Eqyptians.
  • jean Temlako... 2012/07/17 01:03:42 (edited)
    jean
    +2
    Is there any truth to this report:

    The Israeli-Arab wars of 1967 and 1973 were viewed by both the US and USSR with great interest. The USSR even sent their MiG's to Egypt, with their pilots, who also flew in the war. The Israelis knew this and had sent orders to their pilots not to shoot down the Soviet planes for fear of a Soviet Union military response (however there was one incident in which a Soviet group shot down several Israel planes, in which Israel launched a counter attack, downing 5 of those Soviet aircraft). Soviet anti air systems were deployed by Syria and Egypt against Israel in the 1973 October/Ramadan/Yom Kippur war, the same anti air systems in place over Moscow at the time. Eventually Israel was able to knock out the anti air systems and achieve air superiority, sending shocwaves to the Soviets, who had to come up with better anti air systems. After the 1973 war, however, the Soviet Union was unwilling to bankroll another war against the Israelis, refusing to re-arm Egypt and Syria for another war.
  • Temlako... jean 2012/07/17 01:09:41
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +2
    Absolutely. I was alive at the time. I remember reading about the Yom Kippur War while it took place. I knew about the Israelis knocking out the SAM batteries. Moscow became the laughingstock of the Middle East.

    NO WONDER they threatened to "Doctor Strangelove" the world.
  • Space Invader 2012/07/12 20:59:04
  • ««Gingey, the Master Debate... 2012/07/12 20:56:13
    Undecided
    ««Gingey, the Master Debater of Þ|-|Дэ†»»
    Israel should start paying for their own god damn problems.
  • Walt 2012/07/12 20:56:02
    Annex ALL of the West Bank and tell the Arabs to get out.
    Walt
    +7
    A spokesman for PA chief Mahmoud Abbas said:

    We will not sign any peace agreement if there is a [single] settlement on Palestinian Land.


    Who cares if the PA signs peace agreements? They don't honor them when they do sign them. Peace agreements are meaningless when the enemy doesn't have integrity.
  • Lt. Fred Walt 2012/07/13 01:46:09 (edited)
    Lt. Fred
    Which peace agreement have the Palestinians violated recently? I can name a dozen the IDF failed to uphold.
  • Walt Lt. Fred 2012/07/13 07:42:07
    Walt
    +2
    Anytime there is a peace agreement, without fail, the PA lobs mortars over the border into Israel. That's a fact.

    Let me help you out here...

    http://bit.ly/Ohibrj
  • Lt. Fred Walt 2012/07/13 09:07:33
    Lt. Fred
    Hamas completely upheld a 2008 ceasefire, with mortar/rocket attacks virtually stopped (non-Hamas groups continued to shell Israel, but the number of attacks was negligible, about 1 a month). Israel, of course, never upheld the terms of the ceasefire, not for a single day, and failed to lower their illegal blockade of Palestine. Eventually, Israel attacked Palestine, killing two Hamas soldiers and provoking a counter-attack.
  • jean Lt. Fred 2012/07/22 03:19:23
    jean
    +1
    Hamas never met a cease-fire it didn't break.
  • Lt. Fred jean 2012/07/22 03:57:49
    Lt. Fred
    Hamas did not break the 2008 ceasefire- Israel did.
  • jean Lt. Fred 2012/07/22 03:26:54
    jean
    +1
    No you can't. The so called Palestinians have never upheld a so called peace agreement. They don't even know what peace is.
  • Lt. Fred jean 2012/07/22 03:58:21
    Lt. Fred
    There have never been any peace agreements between the combatants- Israel refuses to sign them.
  • jean Walt 2012/07/22 03:26:08
    jean
    +1
    They will break any peace agreement anyway.
  • Walt jean 2012/07/22 04:03:38
    Walt
    There is no doubt about it based on their previous inability to honor any agreements.
  • explorer1618 2012/07/12 20:55:33
    Undecided
    explorer1618
    Sit down and play with your dreidel's --- !!!!
  • GINGERBREAD 2012/07/12 20:34:42
    Undecided
    GINGERBREAD
    +4
    Hunker down and get ready for one hell of a fight. Israel will find that their so called "ALLIES" will be the one to sell them out. They can only depend on themselves. LONG LIVE ISRAEL
  • Lt. Fred GINGERB... 2012/07/13 01:47:47
    Lt. Fred
    Poor oppressed Israel. Has to defend itself against literally dozens of unarmed Palestinian children with merely the largest military force outside Europe. All they want is all the land in the Middle East! How will they ever survive!
  • GINGERB... Lt. Fred 2012/07/13 02:20:40
    GINGERBREAD
    +1
    Hmm, let's see, population of Israel? Maybe 3 to 4 million. Population of the muslim countries surrounding them? 100 million. That's about the right odds for Israel. You remember the wars that tiny Israel had with her muslim neighbors since 1948? Israel kicked their ass every time. Every time these muslims decides to make war with Israel, Israel has always expanded her borders. In the meantime, between the real wars, Hamas, Hisbolla and every other muslim terrorist groups hide behind their women and children, while attacking Israel. But Israel still manages to come out on top. Any other question?
  • Lt. Fred GINGERB... 2012/07/13 03:24:53
    Lt. Fred
    The population of Israel is 9 million. It has nuclear weapons, an extremely powerful convention military force and an alliance with the United States. Israel has never lost a war with her largely defenceless neighbours because it so vastly overwhelms them in terms of firepower. It's also why Israel rarely agrees to peace deals or ceasfires.
  • jean Lt. Fred 2012/07/13 03:43:50
    jean
    +1
    They cannot afford to compromised the integrity of their land or people. The Arabs have time and time again proved to be treacherous.
  • Lt. Fred jean 2012/07/13 05:56:59
    Lt. Fred
    Of course Israel cannot accept compromise over their land. Nor can the Palestinians. But Israel refuses to allow the Palestinians to claim 100% of their land. Why should Israel be allowed to do this?
  • jean Lt. Fred 2012/07/13 05:59:27 (edited)
    jean
    +1
    They can claim anything they want to outside of Israel. Why should the Israeli's give them their land. TransJordan got 87% of the land set aside for ISRAEL as a homeland for Arabs.. Incidentally Palestinians included everyone (Jews also) born in the territory known as Palestine until 1967 when Arabs claimed the name.
  • Lt. Fred jean 2012/07/13 06:02:40
    Lt. Fred
    Indeed. No Palestinian negotiator has ever claimed an inch of Israeli territory (except as part of a swap deal). It is the Israelis who are demanding Palestinian territory. Why do you think that the Palestinians can "afford to compromi(se) the integrity of their land or people"?
  • jean Lt. Fred 2012/07/13 06:12:31
    jean
    +2
    LOL - no dear the so-called Palestinians are the one knocking at the door of Israel. They are the one trying to get "in". cartoon of arabs trying to get into israel
  • Lt. Fred jean 2012/07/13 06:17:22
    Lt. Fred
    Well, okay. Free movement of people has been a demand in some negotiations (not all). But that's not a territorial demand.
  • jean Lt. Fred 2012/07/13 06:19:26 (edited)
    jean
    +2
    Suicide bombings by Arabs have all but disappeared since the wall went up. Testimony in itself.
  • Lt. Fred jean 2012/07/13 08:45:45
    Lt. Fred
    Hamas cancelled suicide bombing, so they stopped.

    It's also important to note that the Wall is not designed to create 'security', but to annex large portions of palestine.
  • jean Lt. Fred 2012/07/13 08:50:34
    jean
    +2
    SECURITY - Hamas was stopped cold!
  • Lt. Fred jean 2012/07/13 09:12:25
    Lt. Fred
    Hamas stopped employing suicide bombing, so it stopped happening. The wall had no effect; suicide bombing could restart tomorrow if Hamas wanted to (it doesn't). However, the wall did successfully annex large parts of Palestine, which was the intention.
  • jean Lt. Fred 2012/07/13 17:57:18 (edited)
    jean
    +1
    RIIIIIIGHT - the WALL STOPPED THEM COLD! The should have annexed all Parts of Israel. Stay tuned Freddie.......
  • Lt. Fred jean 2012/07/13 21:01:28
    Lt. Fred
    Nonsense. Palestinians live on both sides of the wall, making it inefficient as a security tool. However, it cuts off parts of Palestine as de-facto Israeli land. This significantly aids illegal annexation by the IDF government.
  • jean Lt. Fred 2012/07/13 21:40:48
    jean
    +1
    LOL - it is doing exactly what is was designed for KEEPING THE ISRAELIS SAFE! Wish the U.S. had one on our Southern Border.
  • Lt. Fred jean 2012/07/13 22:29:28 (edited)
    Lt. Fred
    That's simply not true. The wall does not work as a security tool, because it is not designed to do so (Palestinians live on both sides). In fact, Israel probably wants suicide bombing.
  • jean Lt. Fred 2012/07/13 03:46:14
    jean
    +2
    Israel has less than 8 million and about 75.3% are Jewish (about 5,865,300 individuals)
  • Lt. Fred jean 2012/07/13 05:57:38
    Lt. Fred
    And a military of what strength?

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