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Lets quit trashing President Obama & start to recognize what he has been able to accomplish!

doc moto 2012/08/19 05:48:41
Great, ABO; Its Time for a Change!!!
Its not that bad or has it been?
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After all, it is an impressive list..........
First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.

First President
to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

First President
to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the
United States.

First President
to violate the War Powers Act.
First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

First President
to defy a Federal Judge's court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law.

First President
to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

First President
to spend a trillion dollars on 'shovel-ready' jobs when there was no such thing as 'shovel-ready' jobs.

First President
to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

First President
to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

First President
to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the
U.S., including those with criminal convictions.

First President
to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

First President
to terminate
America 's ability to put a man in space.

First President
to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.

First President
to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

First President
to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke-out on the reasons for their rate increases.

First President
to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

First President
to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

First President
to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

First President
to fire an inspector general of Ameri-corps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

First President
to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.

First President
to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half years in office, 100 to date.

First President
to hide his medical, educational, and travel records.

First President
to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

First President
to go on multiple global 'apology tour
s'.

First President
to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends; paid for by the taxpayer.

First President
to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.

First President
to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.

First President
to take a 17 day vacation.

So, how is this "CHANGE" working out?
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  • darcie lamar 2012/08/19 06:39:07
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    darcie lamar
    +8
    I agree with most of the 'accomplishments" mentioned, except for the 17 day vacation. The Obama's have never stopped being on vacation on our dime. Obama s spending tax money

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  • gocar 2012/08/27 21:34:05
    Undecided
    gocar
    +2
    I'm not undecided because I think you are a rat for post such a dishonest amount of junk. THE PRESIDENT IN NO FOREIGN and that is one I am really sick of. The GOP were responsible for the Standard and Pores rating and they themselves admitted that. You need to look up Bush and Nixon on War Powers Act. There is so much drilling right now in America that we are exporting oil. America needs reform in its healthcare system. Too many people do not have access -- that's uncivilized. Oh, I could go on and on but you sir or madame are a fanatic who cannot see the forest for the trees.
  • doc moto gocar 2012/08/28 01:23:45
    doc moto
    SQUEAK SQUEAK SQUEAK IS THAT THE SOUND OF A RAT? BTW, there were more wars started by democrat presidents, two to one then the republicans...
  • jumpboots 187th PIR 2012/08/27 21:22:38
    Undecided
    jumpboots 187th PIR
    +4
    What a F@#$ING record to run... No wonder he blames Bush.. That his record the blame game.......
  • ♒ßεllεchεvεllε®♒ 2012/08/27 21:16:02
    Great, ABO; Its Time for a Change!!!
    ♒ßεllεchεvεllε®♒
  • doc moto ♒ßεllεc... 2012/08/28 01:26:42
    doc moto
    +1
    We love cats, we have lots of friends that come by that love cats also and for balance I have two dogs, one old and one young so we do not do any age discrimination here at all! Enjoy the video!

    These folks voted for Obama and have since regretted it and to show their honesty, they are speaking openly about it for our behalf.
  • Soundstorm 2012/08/27 21:02:32 (edited)
    Great, ABO; Its Time for a Change!!!
    Soundstorm
    +2
    Aw, that was mean and cruel to bait Obama's hopeful supporters looking for any......ANY good news that might vindicate their fallen idol. But alas! It was not meant to be!

    A friend in Washington
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/08/27 20:42:01
    Undecided
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +3
    Time for him to move back home to Chicago
  • Soundstorm Jackie ... 2012/08/27 21:06:09
    Soundstorm
    +2
    Sweet home Chicago....

    Buddy Guy
  • doc moto Soundstorm 2012/08/28 01:27:17
    doc moto
    +1
    I have been to the windy city! Kinda neat!
  • PDenoli 2012/08/27 20:34:44
    Its not that bad or has it been?
    PDenoli
    +1
    Hey! He's not the FIRST to violate the war powers act. You're obviously another one of those pro-Obama people trying to put everything he does in the best possible light.
  • Wag 2012/08/22 19:01:59 (edited)
    Great, ABO; Its Time for a Change!!!
    Wag
    +3
    4 more years and he should be able to fix the MESS the REPUBLICANS got this country into............OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

    OBAMA biden 2012
  • doc moto Wag 2012/08/22 19:41:28
    doc moto
    +3
    Its a mess, but it was the public for allowing both parties to screw up and most of the folks just want a free ride or someone else to pay the way; laziness cost more then being budget minded and balancing any and all transactions, all of it!
  • JP Wag 2012/08/22 20:32:47
    JP
    +1
    I bought a house in the late nineties with limited credit and no money down. I have made it, but many have not.

    Thank you Clinton/Gore.
  • Soundstorm Wag 2012/08/27 21:07:53
    Soundstorm
    +1
    These past 4 years ARE NOT the mess the Republicans got us into, junior mint. It's over!
  • jere.ch... Wag 2012/08/27 21:34:59
    jere.chievres
    What an idiot!
  • doc moto Wag 2012/08/28 01:28:06
    doc moto

    He is losing voters everyday; if obama could he would have the vote tomorrow!
  • sjalan 2012/08/21 08:31:58
    Undecided
    sjalan
    +3
    Well let's put it this way. He sure has balls made of brass, and I'd rather have a President with balls made of brass than a wimpy flip/flopper like Romney and Ryan as his partner.

    And as for your list of items against him, I suggest you produce a credible link for every one of them
  • doc moto sjalan 2012/08/22 19:43:55
    doc moto
    +2
    Between all four men you might find seven to eight balls, and all of fluff and talk! No veteran amongst them and since they know not what it cost to BLEED, All you can expect is greed and power and control and me me and nothing for you and they and us, the USA suffers either way... The only one worth their salt and balls that working for each and every American is Ron Paul!
  • sjalan doc moto 2012/08/23 06:01:26
    sjalan
    +1
    Thank you for your opinion.
  • Lawnmowerman~PWCM~JLA 2012/08/20 03:41:51
    Great, ABO; Its Time for a Change!!!
    Lawnmowerman~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    An impressive list. Please, Mr. 'president'...you can STOP now.
  • gocar Lawnmow... 2012/08/27 21:40:09
    gocar
    Reading these posts makes me even more determined to get out and work for Obama's reelection. Keep it up you are inspiring me.
  • doc moto gocar 2012/08/28 01:33:10
    doc moto
    +1
    These folk have put their money where their mouth and fingers; they have owned up to voting for Obama the first time and point out the truth on what the man has said...Place you video on soda head and let me know I will rave it, if you truly put your feeling and his accomplishment on a video, it might last ten or maybe twenty seconds unless you start repeating something over and over again!
  • Soundstorm doc moto 2012/08/28 04:47:49
    Soundstorm
    We'll be fighting in the streets
    With our children at our feet
    And the morals that they worship will be gone
    And the men who spurred us on
    Sit in judgment of all wrong
    They decide and the shotgun sings the song

    I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around me
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    And I'll get on my knees and pray
    We don't get fooled again
    Don't get fooled again

    Change it had to come
    We knew it all along
    We were liberated from the fall that's all
    But the world looks just the same
    And history ain't changed
    'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

    I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around me
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    And I'll get on my knees and pray
    We don't get fooled again
    Don't get fooled again
    No, no!

    I'll move myself and my family aside
    If we happen to be left half alive
    I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
    For I know that the hypnotized never lie

    Do ya?


    There's nothing in the street
    Looks any different to me
    And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
    And the parting on the left
    Is now the parting on the right
    And the beards have all grown longer overnight

    I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the ...













    We'll be fighting in the streets
    With our children at our feet
    And the morals that they worship will be gone
    And the men who spurred us on
    Sit in judgment of all wrong
    They decide and the shotgun sings the song

    I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around me
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    And I'll get on my knees and pray
    We don't get fooled again
    Don't get fooled again

    Change it had to come
    We knew it all along
    We were liberated from the fall that's all
    But the world looks just the same
    And history ain't changed
    'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

    I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around me
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    And I'll get on my knees and pray
    We don't get fooled again
    Don't get fooled again
    No, no!

    I'll move myself and my family aside
    If we happen to be left half alive
    I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
    For I know that the hypnotized never lie

    Do ya?


    There's nothing in the street
    Looks any different to me
    And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
    And the parting on the left
    Is now the parting on the right
    And the beards have all grown longer overnight

    I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around me
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I'll get on my knees and pray
    We don't get fooled again
    Don't get fooled again
    No, no!

    YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...

    Meet the new boss
    Same as the old boss

    Won't Get Fooled Again - The Who
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  • doc moto Soundstorm 2012/08/28 18:35:22
    doc moto
    +1
    And there is a get up and clap and sing along from one of my old buddies! You have heard of his songs I am sure, catchy and in line with just plain fun and with some satire! http://stg.do/fdxc
    Let me know what you think!
  • Soundstorm doc moto 2012/09/02 06:23:56
    Soundstorm
    Whoa! That's a catchy one! Ray's still got it!

    BTW, have you ever checked out this guy?

  • Kat 2012/08/19 21:54:17
    Great, ABO; Its Time for a Change!!!
    Kat
  • Demonic Rat Hunter 2012/08/19 20:54:41
    Great, ABO; Its Time for a Change!!!
    Demonic Rat Hunter
    +4
    The MoFo obama has to go. obama mofo obama mofo obama mofo
  • Muriel 2012/08/19 20:49:27
    Its not that bad or has it been?
    Muriel
    +3
    Yes it really has been that bad. Obama really HAS to go!
  • doc moto Muriel 2012/08/28 01:33:47
    doc moto
    +2
    These that voted for Obama think so also!
  • goatman112003 2012/08/19 19:58:24
    Great, ABO; Its Time for a Change!!!
    goatman112003
    +3
    Get him out of there period.
  • Great, ABO; Its Time for a Change!!!
    One of Y'shua's,דָּנִיֵּאל
    +3
    juss keepin' it reo....
  • RayG 2012/08/19 16:26:09
    Great, ABO; Its Time for a Change!!!
    RayG
    +4
    And first to have a record national debt and longest run of record unemployment numbers.
  • EdVenture 2012/08/19 16:15:04
    Undecided
    EdVenture
    Obamas efforts to improve and protect this nation and all its people.
    Short list: there is much more but start with banking and finacial reform...


    Banking and Financial Reform
    1.BROAD POLICY:
    2.Established the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. ref
    3.Established President’s Advisory Council on Financial Capability to assist in financial education for all Americans. ref, ref , ref
    4.Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010. ref, ref
    5.Dodd-Frank (DF) Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, the biggest financial reform law since the Great Depression. ref
    6.Managed the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) ref
    7.Assigned a Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program Act of 2009. ref
    8.Pension relief Act of 2010. ref
    9.Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act. ref, ref
    10.Played a lead role in G-20 Summit re: financial crisis. ref
    11.Reformed deferral rules to curb tax advantages for investing overseas. ref
    12.Established new offshore investment policy that promotes in-sourcing. ref, ref
    13.FUNDING:
    14. Cut salaries for 65 bailout executives (Pay Czar). ref
    15.Banks have repaid 75% of TARP funds, bringing the cost down to $89B as of June 2010. ref
    16.Closed offshore tax safe havens, tax credit loopholes. ref , ref , ref
    17.T...
























































































    Obamas efforts to improve and protect this nation and all its people.
    Short list: there is much more but start with banking and finacial reform...


    Banking and Financial Reform
    1.BROAD POLICY:
    2.Established the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. ref
    3.Established President’s Advisory Council on Financial Capability to assist in financial education for all Americans. ref, ref , ref
    4.Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010. ref, ref
    5.Dodd-Frank (DF) Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, the biggest financial reform law since the Great Depression. ref
    6.Managed the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) ref
    7.Assigned a Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program Act of 2009. ref
    8.Pension relief Act of 2010. ref
    9.Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act. ref, ref
    10.Played a lead role in G-20 Summit re: financial crisis. ref
    11.Reformed deferral rules to curb tax advantages for investing overseas. ref
    12.Established new offshore investment policy that promotes in-sourcing. ref, ref
    13.FUNDING:
    14. Cut salaries for 65 bailout executives (Pay Czar). ref
    15.Banks have repaid 75% of TARP funds, bringing the cost down to $89B as of June 2010. ref
    16.Closed offshore tax safe havens, tax credit loopholes. ref , ref , ref
    17.TARGETED ACTIONS:
    18. Created the Financial Stability Oversight Council to monitor stability of the financial system and individual firms (DF). ref
    19.New requirements for reporting financial data (DF). ref
    20.Created self-funded Office of Financial Research (OFR) to collect information from financial firms (DF). ref
    21.OFR employees must wait a year before working for certain financial firms. ref
    22.Provided for orderly liquidation of financial companies (DF). ref
    23.Limited trading activities of banks (Volcker Rule) beginning 2 yrs after passage (DF). ref
    24.Swaps Pushout Rule prevented federal assistance to swaps (including derivatives) traders (DF). ref









    25.Derivatives must be traded transparently through a clearing house (DF). ref
    26.Defined the amount and nature of assets required to meet capital requirements (DF). ref
    27.Originators of asset-backed securities must retain 5% ownership/risk (DF). ref
    28.Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection (DF). ref
    29.Stronger client fiduciary duty for broker-dealers (DF). ref
    30.Higher standards for securities advertising and disclosures (DF). ref
    31.Expanded “insider loans” (DF). ref
    32.Higher standards for sytemically important ($50 billion assets+) institutions, including annual stress tests and restrictions on bank acquisitions (DF). ref
    33.Executive compensation must be determined by an independent committee (DF). ref
    34.Issued compensation guidelines for bank executive salary and bonuses. ref , ref
    35.Financial agencies must establish Offices of Women and Minorities to promote more diverse hiring (DF). ref
    36.Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure Act. ref, ref
    37.Credit CARD Technical Corrections Act of 2009. ref
    38.Established a credit card bill of rights. ref
    39.Reformed credit card swipe fees. ref
    40.Created new criminal penalties for mortgage fraud. ref
    41.Congress pursued Goldman Sachs for securities violations. ref
    42.Permanently extended Research and Experimentation Tax Credit for domestic investments. ref
    43.RESULTS:
    44.(Treasury) Sold 1.5 billion shares of Citigroup at a profit. ref
    45.G-20 summit produced a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis. ref
    46.Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals. ref
    47.Financial reform has ‘strongest consumer financial protections in history.’ ref
    48.Section curator:

    Conservative Voodoo economics caused the problems we have but we can agree to disagree.... don't tell me what type of government I like ask me.... that way you wouldn't have to assume .... But check out some more of our President accomplishments:
    1. BROAD POLICY:
    2. Promoted internet freedom as part of U.S. foreign policy. ref, ref , ref
    3. Webcaster Settlement Act of 2009. ref
    4. Satellite Television Extension Act of 2010. ref
    5. FUNDING:






    6. Expanded loan programs for small businesses. ref
    7. TARGETED ACTION:
    8. Small Business Act. ref
    9. Small Business Investment Act. ref
    10. Proposed tougher meat industry antitrust rules. ref , ref
    11. Denied federal contracts to tax delinquents. ref
    12. Appointed the nation’s first Chief Technology Officer. ref
    13. Established Federal IT Dashboard. ref
    14. Modernized the USA.gov portal to connect people to the services they require. ref
    15. Launched the National Export Initiative, with the goal of doubling US exports by 2015. ref , ref
    16. Provided National Export Initiative/Progress report and named President’s Export Council. ref, ref
    17. Launched piracy crackdown. ref
    18. Section curators: ^dell alee

    Oh yeah what about this .....

    1.BROAD POLICY:
    2.Morris K. Udall Scholarship and Excellence in National Environmental Policy Amendments Act of 2009. ref
    3.Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009. ref
    4.North American Wetlands Conservation Act. ref
    5.Stewardship of the Ocean (established National Ocean Council ), our Coasts and the Great Lakes (Executive Order). ref
    6.Federal Leadership in Environmental, Energy and Economic Performance (Executive Order). ref, ref
    7.Established partnerships to share environmental technology with other countries. ref
    8.FUNDING:
    9.Increased funding for the Land and Water Conservation Fund. ref
    10.Increased funding for national parks and forests. ref
    11.$175 million of ARRA allocated for water conservation, $135 million of that in the West. ref
    12.TARGETED AREAS:
    13.Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic. ref, ref
    14.Expanded access to places to hunt and fish. ref
    15.Chesapeake Bay Protection and Restoration (Executive Order). ref, ref
    16.Led effort to phase out whaling. ref
    17.Pursued a wildfire management plan. ref
    18.Encouraged more controlled burns to reduce wildfires. ref
    19.Ordered removal of more brush, small trees and vegetation that fuel wildfires. ref
    20.Section curator: ^pash
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  • Soundstorm EdVenture 2012/08/27 21:14:48 (edited)
    Soundstorm
    +3
    This downloaded list you've hardly read yourself is irrelevant.

    The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) established by the Dodd - Frank so called reforms will be setting our economy on another runaway train of easy credit for low income minorities that crashed the economy in the first place. You never learn, do you?
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/...
  • EdVenture Soundstorm 2012/08/28 01:20:50
    EdVenture
    Hi Soundstorm.
    I’m a little troubled by your comment “low income minorities” the programs were centered around qualifying low to moderate income families, minorities was not in the loop. Ironically, it was not easy to actually qualify for many. It may be that minorities have a corner on low income but, that was not the focus. The programs were developed for home ownership working toward the American dream. Leading up to this home prices were climbing at a rate which excluded many, even a large segment of the middle class/family members of property ownership.
    FYI, I have been in the Real Estate business for over 30 years in many capacities, developer, builder, sales, management, appraisal etc. I only mention that so that you might have some confidence in my comments and opinion which are intended to be informative.
    My observation was; the banks jumped on the loans primarily because of the fees and charges that made it possible for them to profitable to process and write. They were also interested in selling the debt in large portfolios for a profit and mostly maintain the account for a fee. (Reagan made this possible) And it not only included banks but finance cos and brokers etc., there was a feeding frenzy. In addition to this the banks were allowed (not by design), to stagger ...
    Hi Soundstorm.
    I’m a little troubled by your comment “low income minorities” the programs were centered around qualifying low to moderate income families, minorities was not in the loop. Ironically, it was not easy to actually qualify for many. It may be that minorities have a corner on low income but, that was not the focus. The programs were developed for home ownership working toward the American dream. Leading up to this home prices were climbing at a rate which excluded many, even a large segment of the middle class/family members of property ownership.
    FYI, I have been in the Real Estate business for over 30 years in many capacities, developer, builder, sales, management, appraisal etc. I only mention that so that you might have some confidence in my comments and opinion which are intended to be informative.
    My observation was; the banks jumped on the loans primarily because of the fees and charges that made it possible for them to profitable to process and write. They were also interested in selling the debt in large portfolios for a profit and mostly maintain the account for a fee. (Reagan made this possible) And it not only included banks but finance cos and brokers etc., there was a feeding frenzy. In addition to this the banks were allowed (not by design), to stagger their loans in many creative ways, step increases, cpi indexes, 3 year to 5 year conversions or re-writes. The problem was this, people that met the qualifications when the economy was moving along did not meet the qualifications later because of these increases. Prop taxes increase by 5% year, re-write fees and add’l interest charges and fees including insurances that were in the loop and sold thru the banks. Had the loans been locked and conventional, many people’s mortgages would have been sustainable by the borrowers. At some point the banks realized the exposure and risk and packaged the loans and rolled them into derivatives which were sold worldwide. Derivatives are fractional interests in these mortgage debt portfolios where the investors felt secure by the equity and asset as security. When the market stopped increasing, as a result of employment and lack of consumption the market took a nose dive. Asset values ultimately became negative along with public confidence. Now this was part of the problem and it didn’t apply to affordable housing but all housing and commercial investment. Guess what now businesses are failing because there is no reason or desire to buy furniture, curtains, paint etc not to mention the daily retail activity in all other sectors. I know this info assumes you can comprehend the economic dynamic of the economic principals of supply and demand. What happened was because of deregs, or loopholes for profit, or overlooking the signs that were obvious as early as 2005 and it was greed that ruled.
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  • Soundstorm EdVenture 2012/08/28 05:23:54 (edited)
    Soundstorm
    +1
    You certainly have a good perspective from drawing on your years in the real estate business. But in your professional experience was there ever a time that providing subprime mortgages to persons of inconsistent income considered a profitable opportunity worth jumping on if it weren't for the directives imposed by HUD through President Clinton's National Home Ownership Strategy of 1994? It initiated a more proactive enforcement of the Carter era Consumer Reinvestment Act (CRA).
    Why would you be more troubled about my pointing out that this program was targeted at low income minorities rather than the obvious exploitation of race by the Democrats for their political agenda with little or no regard for the eventual financial consequences? You suggested that Reagan somehow established the conditions for profitability of these subprime loans. But it didn't seem to make any sense to write these risky loans in the first place. What I'm trying to understand in your argument is what suddenly made the lowering of lending standards which would have been considered unethical if not suicidal prior to Clinton such a feeding frenzy for greed?
  • EdVenture Soundstorm 2012/08/28 05:59:35
    EdVenture
    The money was made on volumes, true the program and i'm not sure may have included many minorities, a majority but why should that be surprising? Reagan is responsible for opening up all financial interests to endeavor the market where before it was limited by banking law. By offloading these mortgage portfolios they were eliminating the risk for the liquidity. That was their focus not serving their depositors or mortgagees everything was sold off. At one point banks could lend up to 300% more than their deposits and they went crazy. (depositor reserves). You can throw all these acts at me but what was going on on the streets was the bottom line and the result was the losses sustained by the working class.
  • Soundstorm EdVenture 2012/08/28 06:14:48
    Soundstorm
    +1
    But you continually dodge the main issue of why there were risky loans in the first place. Your narrative only deals with the aftermath of how lending institutions handled the bad loans they were burdened with.
  • EdVenture Soundstorm 2012/08/28 20:22:56
    EdVenture
    Don't know if this brief explanation will help u understand a little better. I'm really busy right now this was not edited.
    I’m not dodging anything but your comments indicate that u don’t grasp the dynamics of what happened in the banking and lending industry in this case, including wall street as a brokerage outlet, thus, the over-inflated bond ratings of the mortgage portfolios which led to the derivatives so called.
    The affordable housing program as a whole was not a failure and cannot be singled out as the cause of the collapse, on its own; the default loans you speak of is dwarfed in comparison to the sum of all the issues/investments/loans/events that collectively burst the bubble.
    You asked; “was there ever a time that providing subprime mortgages to persons of inconsistent income considered a profitable opportunity worth jumping on if it weren't for the directives imposed by HUD through President Clinton's National Home Ownership Strategy of 1994? It initiated a more proactive enforcement of the Carter era Consumer Reinvestment Act (CRA).”
    The loans, lending criteria, directives and guarantees were not premised on “risky loan”. The mortgagor had to demonstrate 3 to 5 years of employment records and tax returns along with net worth and credit report statements. In fact i...



    Don't know if this brief explanation will help u understand a little better. I'm really busy right now this was not edited.
    I’m not dodging anything but your comments indicate that u don’t grasp the dynamics of what happened in the banking and lending industry in this case, including wall street as a brokerage outlet, thus, the over-inflated bond ratings of the mortgage portfolios which led to the derivatives so called.
    The affordable housing program as a whole was not a failure and cannot be singled out as the cause of the collapse, on its own; the default loans you speak of is dwarfed in comparison to the sum of all the issues/investments/loans/events that collectively burst the bubble.
    You asked; “was there ever a time that providing subprime mortgages to persons of inconsistent income considered a profitable opportunity worth jumping on if it weren't for the directives imposed by HUD through President Clinton's National Home Ownership Strategy of 1994? It initiated a more proactive enforcement of the Carter era Consumer Reinvestment Act (CRA).”
    The loans, lending criteria, directives and guarantees were not premised on “risky loan”. The mortgagor had to demonstrate 3 to 5 years of employment records and tax returns along with net worth and credit report statements. In fact it was frequently argued that the programs excluded the poorest because they had to meet minimum income streams and standards to qualify. The fact was the intent was to incentivize home ownership that might not otherwise be able to enter the market given the soaring prices of real estate. Incidentally, it was Reagan that removed real estate from the inflation index before he boasted he was keeping inflation down. I would ask myself if there is 2-3% inflation how could property values be increasing and sustain in some cases by 15% a year or 3%/month? People were entering the market just to flip for a good return in a short period of time.
    “why there were risky loans in the first place.”
    They were not as conventional mortgages what happened was creative and no doc financing was made available to buyers as well as supplemental equity loans and credit cards were utilized to purchase and front end passing costs skyrocketed for profit. In essence the future anticipated value of the asset was then being sold by the banks to various funds all over the country and world. This included all loans including commercial and industrial etc not just one segment. Basically, the banks got out of the consumer oriented lenders and moved into the fund dispensing operation. Little if any was kept in house and it was their shareholders and depositors that provided the resources to fuel the practice.

    “how lending institutions handled the bad loans they were burdened with” as stated earlir, they were not, they didn’t care about the loans because they were selling the risk.
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  • Soundstorm EdVenture 2012/09/02 06:42:54
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    For a busy man you spend a lot of typing time dancing around looking for other conditions to blame on devalued lending standards to distract from the root causes which point to the government. It's questionable if the lending criteria you mentioned applied to those receiving sub prime loans. I won't waste your time or mine picking through your attempts to shift the blame solely on Wall Street while giving the policies of HUD and Rep. Frank's oversight of Freddie and Fannie a pass. I'll just give you this to ponder. http://spectator.org/archives...

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