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Gil Kaufman 2010/06/11 18:27:24
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Left, Right, Left: The Horror This Time, Did CIA Doctors Conduct Medical Experiments on Detainees?

As I wrote about last week, George W. Bush has recently begun emerging from his self-imposed 18-month exile and one of his first orders of business was to confirm that, under his direction, the U.S. used a banned torture method, waterboarding, on 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed. And he added, he’d do it again if given the chance.

That revelation was followed by disturbing reports this week that CIA doctors may have observed the illegal acts committed by U.S. forces, which, if true, paints the most dire picture yet of a Bush administration that not only played by its own secretive rules, but possibly participated in breaches of one of modern society’s most fundamental humanitarian tenets.

The simulated drowning technique that has been around since the Spanish Inquisition, and which the Obama administration has said is torture, is banned by all signatories to the United Nations Convention Against Torture and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Also banned by those conventions is the experimentation on torture victims and prisoners by physicians, a gruesome practice that brings to mind the specter of the demented acts committed by Nazi doctors during World War II. A new report by Physicians for Human Rights has led several civil liberties groups to demand that the White House investigate whether U.S. doctors conducted medical experiments on terror detainees during harsh CIA interrogations under the Bush administration.

The Associated Press reported that a complaint was filed this week with the Health and Human Services Department on behalf of Physicians for Human Rights, as well as Amnesty International USA. The report, based on long-declassified documents, claims that doctors conducted what amounted to illegal experimentation by monitoring terror suspects during waterboarding and periods of forced sleep deprivation. "Medical personnel were required to monitor all waterboarding practices and collect detailed medical information that was used to design, develop and deploy subsequent waterboarding procedures,” according to the report, which also noted that information was gathered on the amount of pain inflicted on detainees when certain interrogation techniques were used at the same time.

As the Washington Post noted, the news about the presence of doctors during enhanced interrogation sessions is not new, but the possibility that medical experimentation may have been conducted is jarring, to say the least. According to PHR, “Investigation and analysis of U.S. government documents by Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) provides evidence indicating that the Bush administration, in the period after Sept. 11, conducted human research and experimentation on prisoners in U.S. custody as part of this monitoring role.”

Additionally, the report’s author recommended that the declassified documents be examined under the microscope of international laws, including the Nuremberg Code, which banned Nazi Germany’s medical experimentation. Author Nathaniel Raymond said the purpose of having physicians present was to see if the pain inflicted violated the Bush administration’s definitions of torture, and not to safeguard detainees’ health. Physicians also reportedly monitored sleep deprivation techniques, which lasted from 48 hours to 180 hours, to make sure it too didn’t cause prolonged physical and mental suffering under the administration’s definition of torture.

Though the doctors’ were not conducting the kind of gruesome experiments undertaken by the Nazi’s Dr. Josef Mengele, their probe into how vicious American interrogators could get before crossing a legal line is suspect at best, a willful breach of the Hippocratic oath at worst.

In fact, the idea that their experiments were aimed at providing immunity to Bush administration officials and the CIA interrogators from potential prosecution for torture is almost more devious. In the infamous “torture memos,” Justice Department lawyers argued that by having physicians monitor their actions, the administration could demonstrate that interrogators did not intend to hard the detainees and that the “lack of intent to cause harm” could provide the crux of their legal defense in the face of prosecution.

The CIA denied any medical experimentation and noted that the interrogation program has been investigated several times already.

A number of prominent military brass have already said that Bush and former VP Dick Cheney’s admissions about waterboarding will likely put more American soldier’s lives at risk, emboldening America’s enemies to use the same kind of reviled torture techniques that Bush repeatedly swore his country would not deploy on enemy combatants and terror suspects.

But worse, after nearly two years of international relations fence-mending by the Obama administration, the report paints a picture of America under Bush as an out-of-control cowboy nation that acted as if none of society’s rules applied to its actions. The constant drum beat of socialism against Obama from the right pales in comparison to the outright totalitarianism employed by Bush in a murky, secretive chapter of America’s history that continues to grow darker and darker with each revelation.

All of it under the guise of keeping the nation safe from radicals hell bent on attacking us, radicals whose ire has no doubt been stoked a thousandfold with each new revelation.

Do you think Congress should investigate the alleged actions of these doctors?
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  • smileyseven 2010/06/12 05:38:09
    I think Congress should…
    smileyseven
    +8
    i think certain inmates should be used as lab rats. if they did a crime horrible enough to be sentenced to death then i think they should be used as testing animals.

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  • rizki 2010/07/24 09:02:26
    I think Congress should…
    rizki
    Listen their voice..!
  • DreamSpeaker 2010/06/23 19:17:58
    Yes, if any of this is true it’s horrifying.
    DreamSpeaker
    The idea that Bush/Cheney could get away with anything, including torture and doing away with our constitution a piece at a time, is appalling. No one is above the law. If we are to regain any of the trust we once held for our government, then we must hold those guilty of wrong doing accountable for their misdeeds, no matter who they are. Until this happens I will never have any faith in our legal system. Even when the evidence proved their guilt, they got off scot-free. Something is very wrong and it needs to be fixed.
    For those of you who believe that it is alright to torture, just remember; once it has been accepted as okay to do to our "enemies", it is only one small step before it is okay to do to our own people.
    Remember what Bush said..."It's just a GD piece of paper." (referring to the constitution.)
  • Eileen 2010/06/23 14:55:15
    Yes, if any of this is true it’s horrifying.
    Eileen
    I am totally pissed that formal charges have not been made against the Cheney/Bush crime families. They left our country in such a mess there isn't energy to clean it up, let alone prosecute their numerous crimes....a special place awaits them in hell, no doubt.
  • ALLEYCAT 2010/06/21 11:15:24
    I think Congress should…
    ALLEYCAT
    I think congress should repeal any laws making this type of interrogation illegal. The Muslims are not going to honor any international treaties on torture. They will go right on lopping heads off to get the information they want.
    Please don't give me the old argument about rising above you enemy, lest I remind all that all's fair in love and war. If a nation takes prisoners for the purpose of gleaning information. It serves you not to put them into country club jails and kiss they're ass in hopes that they will tell you what you need to know, because you were so good to them. One more thing. The only thing a terrorist understands and fears himself is terror. Either you want to stop these people or you want to die trying.
  • BigD*** 2010/06/19 00:24:30
    I think Congress should…
    BigD***
    Use waterboarding in public schools and get doctors to watch
  • Ad 2010/06/18 19:14:46
    Yes, if any of this is true it’s horrifying.
    Ad
    IS THAT LIKE THE EXPERIMENTS THAT THE NAZI-GERMANS DID ON THE JEWS IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS?
  • the answer man 2010/06/18 00:24:51
    Yes, if any of this is true it’s horrifying.
    the answer man
    read "CIA cult of intelligence" declassified cia documents that were almost censored..and youll see weve been doing this sorta evil eugenics experimentation for decades...wake up people.
  • rapiditosprinting 2010/06/16 17:45:27
    Yes, if any of this is true it’s horrifying.
    rapiditosprinting
    it's bad.
  • Lonely girl 2010/06/16 08:44:31
    I think Congress should…
    Lonely girl
    +1
    I am no expert but I still say that they need to use what ever means necessary to keep our country safe. All these techniques & worse are no doubt being used by our enemies on our guys. So I say fight fire with fire and light them up.
  • Jalove Lonely ... 2010/06/16 13:39:10
    Jalove
    stop the madness!!!!!! USA has lost its credibility in the world. the truth be told, for people with ears to hear, problem, action, solution is the way of the worlds biggest killer ( America ). http://vodpod.com/watch/34591... ....... now the snake is eating its tail, sheeple in the US are waking up daily. thank God.
  • ALLEYCAT Lonely ... 2010/06/21 11:17:07
    ALLEYCAT
    Here Here
  • lahunken Lonely ... 2012/04/24 20:17:25
    lahunken
    Thyroxin facilitates weight loss. The thyroid gland produces and stores
    thyroxin. When the supply of thyroxin, in the thyroid, is sensed by its internal
    transducer to be getting low, it automatically produces more thyroxin. If
    thyroxin is squeezed from the thyroid gland, it goes into the blood stream and
    causes weight loss. It then produces more thyroxin in response to its emptiness,
    soon ready to be squeezed again.
    > > Care should be taken not to hurt the thyroid gland. Simple pressure will
    squeeze the thyroxin into the blood stream. It is said that if it is done over
    and over too much, this can cause a "thyroid storm", like a person with an over
    active thyroid. Performed carelessly, or abused, it can be unhealthy.
    > > But this is not the only reason this knowledge is suppressed. That area,
    known as the "vishudha chakra" in yoga, is heavily wired with muscarinic
    parasympathetic neurons, whose stimulation, called "kundalini" in yoga, will
    wake up the brain more than the usual 10% brain use, even like LSD, which works
    by blocking the inhibitory neurons, whereas, muscarinic nervous system
    stimulation works by overriding the inhibitory neurons.
    > > The psychedelic drug muscarine doesn't even pass the blood brain barrier. It
    also works by exciting the muscarinic nervous system; but, it excites the whole
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    Thyroxin facilitates weight loss. The thyroid gland produces and stores
    thyroxin. When the supply of thyroxin, in the thyroid, is sensed by its internal
    transducer to be getting low, it automatically produces more thyroxin. If
    thyroxin is squeezed from the thyroid gland, it goes into the blood stream and
    causes weight loss. It then produces more thyroxin in response to its emptiness,
    soon ready to be squeezed again.
    > > Care should be taken not to hurt the thyroid gland. Simple pressure will
    squeeze the thyroxin into the blood stream. It is said that if it is done over
    and over too much, this can cause a "thyroid storm", like a person with an over
    active thyroid. Performed carelessly, or abused, it can be unhealthy.
    > > But this is not the only reason this knowledge is suppressed. That area,
    known as the "vishudha chakra" in yoga, is heavily wired with muscarinic
    parasympathetic neurons, whose stimulation, called "kundalini" in yoga, will
    wake up the brain more than the usual 10% brain use, even like LSD, which works
    by blocking the inhibitory neurons, whereas, muscarinic nervous system
    stimulation works by overriding the inhibitory neurons.
    > > The psychedelic drug muscarine doesn't even pass the blood brain barrier. It
    also works by exciting the muscarinic nervous system; but, it excites the whole
    parasympathetic nervous system, causing undesirably over active bowels, etc., so
    it isn't popular in very civilized cultures.
    > > Now, we can see another reason why this very effective, and easy, weight
    loss secret is suppressed. For example, a very politically powerful mystical
    organization kept, suggestive to them, blue candy from the market to protect
    their supreme secret, vagal stimulation.
    > > Most of the twenty-five million Americans who were committed in the
    Twentieth century were committed for knowing too much about their own bodies,
    the power of vagal stimulation. To prevent this human rights abuse from cracking
    down again, this secret must be spread.
    This need further explanation in other groups, and, this was the further
    explanation:
    The vagus nerve runs from the brain, out and down through the naso-pharynx
    and down behind the throat, down into the body. It has branches around the
    lungs,
    heart, digestive system, and then "down below". It is the called the muscainic
    nervous system, for, if it is stimulated enough it wakes up the brain beyond the
    normal 10% use, like the hallucinogenic drug muscarine. Here is more information
    about it:
    > "Waterboarding has replaced LSD for the Clockwork Orange treatment. The
    public must be informed that waterboarding causes much more than some physical
    discomfort from drowning and smothering. It stimulates the vagus nerve so much
    that it puts its victims into what Dr. Stanislav Grof calls "perinatal matrix
    three". In perinatal matrix three, one body switches backward and forward in
    time into every person that has been seen. The victims are first forced to see
    films of people in torment. Then, from enough vagal stimulation the victim body
    switches into each and every victim, one by one, backward and forward in time,
    to experience them all, and suffers their sufffering as real as life. The
    scientific discovery of quantum physicist Dr. Hugh Everett, of a probability
    timeline for every possibility, does show that one does actually body switch in
    real victims by the Clockwork Orange treatment, caused by LSD, or waterboarding.
    The TV's in the cells of victims are not a luxury. These TV's are used to show
    horrible torments which the prisoner will soon suffer by the Clockwork Orange
    treatment. Crucifixion does the same thing.
    > > >
    > > > In ancient times initiation into the Sacred Mysteries was caused by
    vagal stimulation like this. In the "Aenied" the Witch of Averness said, "You
    cannot enter the Underworld (better known as Hell) without the Golden Bough (the
    vagus nerve). Vivasection in those days revealed that the vagus nerve looked
    like a "golden bough". Dr. Stanislav Grof revealed that Baptism was originally
    waterboarding. The Baptism of waterboarding was used for vagal stimulation by
    many repositories of the Sacred Mysteries, like the Knights of Bath. The name
    Baphomet means the Baptism of Wisdom, and, the devil Baphomet gives the gesture
    "as below so above", refering to human physiology. Yet, this is the most
    suppressed secret in the world.
    > > >
    > > > That's THEIR Grand Secret. Vagal stimulation overrides the
    inhibitory neurons in the brain, waking up the brain beyond it's normal 10%
    brain use. LSD does the same thing by blocking seratonin, the neurotransmitter
    of those inhibitory neurons. When the Soviet Union found out that the "lodge"
    WAS violating human rights to suppress this knowledge of the human body, Dr.
    Stanislav Grof came from Prague, Czechoslovakia, and established Grof
    Transpersonal, http://www.holotropic.com where sufficient vagal stimulation is
    accomplished by "holotropic breathing". The "lodge" didn't dare touch them. And,
    the "hive" theory of network engineering was declared, that, knowledge is
    sequestered in groups and goes nowhere.
    > > > Then, the Iron Curtain fell. They had violated the noninterference treaty.
    Back in the old Iron Curtain countries shamans' disease was public knowledge.
    The people were allowed to know that scar tissue in the parasympathetic
    (muscarinic) nervous system woke up the brain, beyond the normal 10% brain use.
    But, here, behind the "Plastic Curtain", people with shamans' disease were
    condemned to the mental hospital gulags, invented by Benjamin Franklin for his
    "lodge", and tagged schizophrenic.
    > > > Schizophrenia itself is caused by the growth of too many axons and
    dendrites between the brain neurons, caused by a gene called DISC1, which also
    wakes up the brain beyond the normal 10% brain use. But also, anyone caught
    knowing this Grand Secret was tagged schizophrenic, locked up in the mental
    hospital gulags, and tortured with dopamine blockers and shock treatments. The
    "lodge" was so paranoid about its Grand Secret that no one could get blue candy
    until the Twenty-First Century. The availability of blue candy was probably made
    possible by the writings of Mike O'Dan the Snakeman, from 1971 through to the
    Twenty-First Century, by pointing out this gap, conspicuous by set theory, and
    the reason for it.
    > > > The "lodge" is the greatest threat to the American way today, and have
    been since 1995 when they attempted to remove our human rights by a
    constitutional convention. Recently, they have even been trying to put America
    under an Islamic governemnt. They are sneaking Sharia Law into our court systems
    now. They are also trying to force changes that would eliminate our Bill of
    Rights by destroying the economy. If you want to continue enjoying your American
    liberties, I suggest that you spread this secret material, for you, too, now
    know too much."
    > Pressing on the thyroid gland squeezes thyroxin into the body causing
    weight loss. The thyroid gland soon fills with thyroxin again to be pressed
    again, causing more weight loss, on and on. It just looks like strangulation,
    blue candy stains the lips blue, and there can be much vagal stimulation done
    there with the "vishudha chakra", thus the "lodge" even used their
    un-Constitutional influence to keep blue candy off the market.
    > The chakras of yoga are plexuses of the muscarinic nervous system, not
    "spiritual wheels of light along the spine". People who want to take more
    advanced yoga must sign a contract of secrecy before they are told the truth
    about the chakras. And, the yoga instructors are also bound by contracts of
    secrecy. And, they even have to sign that their signing these contracts of
    secrecy
    must be kept secret. I never singed any contract of secrecy. A homeless banished
    "lodge"
    member told my buddy and I all the secrets in 1959. I put them all in a term
    paper in 1962, got a 98% for it, graduated with honors, and joined the Army.
    > The instructor of that class had sold that term paprer in the term paper
    black market, the wrong people read it, detectives were sent out to hunt me
    down, and they got me "over a barrel" in the Army. I was given the "Clockwork
    Orange" treatment by large doses of LSD, which puts you in the real Hell. And
    later threatened that they would put me in Hell permanently is I ever revealed
    the secrets again.
    > They didn't offer me membership. I swore an oath to defend the
    Constitution of the United States of America. And, that is what I am going to
    do!
    I have been spreading the secret ever since, as a very angry fugitive.
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  • walter2008 2010/06/16 07:40:16
    I think Congress should…
    walter2008
    +1
    Allow whatever is necessary to keep this country SAFE. If that means hooking up some dirtbag to a battery charger, the only thing I have to say is "red is positive, black is negative". As far as waterboarding goes, they use a lot worse where these dirtbags come from, like beheading. Or, have we forgotten?
  • pdshanny 2010/06/16 02:16:03
    Yes, if any of this is true it’s horrifying.
    pdshanny
    And way would that be any suprise, they did the same to people right here in the good old USofA even to kids. Just ask all the ones in western PA who had their tonsels removed with radiation. Ho! I forgot you can't their all dead now.
  • BlazeEagle 2010/06/15 22:22:57
    I think Congress should…
    BlazeEagle
    Hard to say for certain because there’s no way to be certain regarding the validity or invalidity of this accusation. A lot of things are far more complex than they seem upon first appearances.

    People whine no matter what America supposedly does or doesn’t do. While “two wrongs don’t make a right”, When your dealing with villainous scum who bombed innocent people just doing their jobs to survive & make a living, it’s impossible to give a dang!

    I have a conscience & I despise attempts to manipulate me via my conscience to let scum escape punishment for their evil actions!
  • Jalove BlazeEagle 2010/06/16 16:33:34
    Jalove
    which scum............ CIA FBI and or all sell outs working for the bankster controlled matrix? lol sorry just blowing off steam............
  • Michael Bilotti 2010/06/15 19:07:11
    No, it’s already been investigated and nothing turned up.
    Michael Bilotti
    +3
    First off the author fails to explain that waterboarding was not considered torture when Pres. Bush after checking and receiving a legal OK ordered that it be used on 2 or 3 mutants. The MD's were requied by him to be present to make sure they were not seriously injured. I don't recall Kalil Mohmammad (KSM) ordering that MD's be present at the WTC to protect the victims who were either incinerated or jumped off the building or crushed by thousands of tons of concrete when his plan to crash the planes into the WTC and the Pentagon took place on 9/11/2001.These pieces of crap were part and parcel with the killing of 3000 people I don't care what was done to them. Only the President we have now and his jerky administration and their willing whiners care about those who have vowed to destroy us. Any sane individual who cares for their and the families lives knows that those who hate America and have vowed to destroy us and our way of life as these terrorists have deserve no sympathy.
  • richard... Michael... 2010/06/15 22:09:19
    richard sauerheber
    The hijackers who blew up the World Trade Center were suicide-killed at the scene They were led by Osama bin Laden, nothing to do with Iraq. Bush made twisted statements to Congress and then ordered our U.S. military into a war against Sunni Iraq. Bush was friends with the house of Saud and Prince Bandar was in the war planning room with him where all democrats were barred. America does not torture--just Bush/Cheney and their believers do--because we agree with Geneva Conventions. Doctors were there to help keep things out of hand, but in many cases they got out of hand. Some prisoners were hung by their arms backwards until arms came out of sockets and one, documented in Jane's (surname spelling?) textbook, was zipped into a sleeping bag until suffocating to death. Blaming someone, rounded up who lives on the streets of Fallujah, as a WTC attacker leads to torturing the wrong people, which is why Geneva exists in the first place. Bush dropped Geneva, got false confessions that misled him further, etc.
  • Jalove richard... 2010/06/16 16:09:41
  • Jo 2010/06/15 18:50:40
    Yes, if any of this is true it’s horrifying.
    Jo
    If this is true. Yes, it's horrifying and inhumane. It is worse than the Spanish Inquisition and Nazi Germany experimentation. It's all about humanity folks!
  • Jalove Jo 2010/06/16 16:13:09
    Jalove
    YOU said it!!!! nazi........neo cons..........bankster pawns........ as then, is now. time for UASSA to wake up.
  • AGPhillbin 2010/06/15 16:55:39
    Yes, if any of this is true it’s horrifying.
    AGPhillbin
    +1
    It would hardly be surprising that the CIA did this, once torture has been made legal. Why? Because the perpetrators no longer have to hide the results of their actions, and can even write detailed observations of their actions and physiological results, with legal impunity -- or so many of them would be led to believe. THAT is the slope you go down when you legalize torture. You see, all you idiots who support this kind of thing, torture happens in every war, and is done by the participants on ALL SIDES. The only thing that restrains torturers is 1) the possibility that they will be held responsible for their actions, and 2) the need to keep their actions secret, thus limiting the numbers of people who can be subjected to torture. Legal prohibitions don't prevent torture, but they force those who would indulge in it to think very carefully about why they're doing it, and how far they can go, and how many victims there can be. ANY legality for torture is a camel's nose in the tent, as far as torturers are concerned. Combine that with so-called military commissions instead of civilian trials, where evidence obtained by torture can be introduced, and you also have a prescription for torturing false confessions from people. Get that through your thick, allegedly "conservative" skulls.
  • dj 2010/06/15 15:58:27
    No, it’s already been investigated and nothing turned up.
    dj
    +3
    Nobody died from anything the US did to obtain information that might save the lives of our troops. We certainly never cut anyone's head on TV! We are dealing with scum that understands nothing but force.
  • magill ... dj 2010/06/15 16:59:46
  • juliezz61 2010/06/15 15:50:23
    No, it’s already been investigated and nothing turned up.
    juliezz61
    +2
    Maybe if we let the world know that we can do the torturing to, then maybe those bast*rds will leave us alone...they are prisioners and if thats what it takes to get info from them so be it..they do worse to our guys over there and what do we do??watch it on tv and do nothing...my son is in the us navy and byGod if something were to happen to him or his buddies I think I would go nuts and if I had the chance to hurt one of them...oh boy look out cause I know I could think of more then waterboarding...Im a women and if its a man, yeah I got things I could do that would torture them to no end!!
  • Sean 2010/06/15 15:33:58
    Yes, if any of this is true it’s horrifying.
    Sean
    +2
    Why is humanity allowing these governments to exist?
  • Anselmo1 2010/06/15 15:04:58
    No, it’s already been investigated and nothing turned up.
    Anselmo1
    +1
    I thought he died? investigated turned died
  • JoeC 2010/06/15 15:04:25
    No, it’s already been investigated and nothing turned up.
    JoeC
    +1
    They've investigated that to death, they didn't find anything that would amount to anything criminal, but on the surface sounds pretty horrible. The torture techniques used on American troops when they are held captive are much more brutal, and way less regulated or monitored. Some of the things that trained operatives of any nation do in the course of carrying out the process of war shouldn't be disclosed to the public in general. That only serves to incite.
  • gameboy 2010/06/15 14:33:17
    No, it’s already been investigated and nothing turned up.
    gameboy
    +1
    i would do more than waterboarding if i had the choice anything to save our people and service men fromthese murdurous barbarians that live only todestroy us and annihilate us..
  • Edward Beazley 2010/06/15 14:24:51
    No, it’s already been investigated and nothing turned up.
    Edward Beazley
    we can't stop them from doing anything.
  • StJakk 2010/06/15 13:46:40
    I think Congress should…
    StJakk
    +3
    I think Congress should save American lives by ANY and EVERY means availible to them
  • hayesml47 2010/06/15 13:14:41
    Yes, if any of this is true it’s horrifying.
    hayesml47
    So why haven't the investigations begun into the dark ages of GW Bush and Darth Cheney? The more that comes out on this blotch on our once wonderful history the less seems to be done about it. It is like our entire government has been bought out! Probably because it has!
  • Coralchristie 2010/06/15 11:23:16
    No, it’s already been investigated and nothing turned up.
    Coralchristie
    +3
    Wow...what a take on water-boarding. Our own military undergoes this technique in training and this article paints a most awful scenario that for me is fiction and proffered in order to stir up people once again. As for doctors possibly observing the behaviors and predicting the effects or chronicling the effect of the technique....why wouldn't they? We keep records and analyze almost all that we do. I am so tired of the constant vilification of those who have sought to protect us.
  • Kimberly S Lewis 2010/06/15 06:09:48
    Yes, if any of this is true it’s horrifying.
    Kimberly S Lewis
    They will keep trying to investigage, but uh, I think we have to worry about the criminals in our country that do those type of tortures to men and women, as well. I don't think anybody deserves to be tortured, because if there is ANY information on this planet it should be retrieved by ethical means and good old fashioned investigation. We cannot tolerate "Two Wrong Make A Right" polices. We can't become the criminals to stop the crimianls or terroists, etc.
  • gameboy Kimberl... 2010/06/15 14:36:32
    gameboy
    +2
    no one deserves to be tortured?no one deserves to have pregnant women and kids strapped with bombs and go to schools and business and blow up innocent civilians no on deserves to be beheaded and burnt to death by the islamis terrorists,,so who is wrong we didnt try to destroy their bildings with innocent people working in them..we didnt blow up trains in england .....
  • Kimberl... Kimberl... 2010/06/27 18:52:13
    Kimberly S Lewis
    Again, we are our laws and how we inforce them. As people and as a country, we should be very careful to what laws we pass and how we enforce those laws. If anything is done under torture those that be that allowed it should be charged and convicted. If we need to get information then we have to investigate and get evidence through a logical and moral means that will stand in a court room and in time. Our generations have to live with the actions we commit today. We can't torture people, because they tortured our people. We would have no reasons to be upset with the crimes, because we performed the same atrocities as they committed. Two wrong do not make a right.
  • Andrew 2010/06/15 05:51:57
    Yes, if any of this is true it’s horrifying.
    Andrew
    why stoop to their level. i think thats totally weird and wrong.
  • Stencher 2010/06/15 04:22:35
    No, it’s already been investigated and nothing turned up.
    Stencher
    I can only hope so, they need to have fun too! We can't do that beheading thing but a poke and a jab can't be all bad.
  • John T. 2010/06/15 03:08:02
    No, it’s already been investigated and nothing turned up.
    John T.
    Aligations, true or false could be miss understood. What one culture would conseder as medical experements may in fact be a more normal procedure in another. With that said, What the Bush/Chaney administration allowed the CIA could do it could be posible. Less hope that U.S. did not indulge in the medical trials loke the Natzies carried out in WWII.
  • letitsnow1 2010/06/15 03:01:13
    No, it’s already been investigated and nothing turned up.
    letitsnow1
    +1
    what obama will try to do to get bush, it all to get atention away from him!
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