Latest study says children of gays more prone to being molested, contracting an STD and being poor. Empirical evidence from academia or not?
Average Joe
2012/06/14 22:31:25
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The problem with the study, of course, is that it compares two-parent heterosexual households who raise their biological children until the age of eighteen to mostly broken or blended families involving some form of homosexual activity to get the results.
That's not really comparing apples to apples.
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Mainly, he makes that claim BY grouping any individual parent who has, at any point, had a same-sex relationship or encounter as a "gay parent." Considering that the arguments about gay parenting are directed at allowing SS committed couples to raise children from birth on....that sample is deeply flawed, and completely nonrepresentative.
(2) Further, the issue again isn't whether a parent is gay...but the important issue is the comparison between "gay parents" and "straight parents." This means that for there to be a MEANINGFUL comparison, the two types of environments need to be functionally similar BUT FOR the difference in the makeup of the couple.
For instance, if the study defined "straight parents" as couples who had gone through divorce, were single parents, in mixed families, and who had been married throughout the child's life ONLY WITH gay couples who had been together throughout the child's life...you couldn't honestly demonstrate a difference between "gay" and "straight" parenting because there are too many other variables.
When the Regenerus study compared straight parents who had been together throughout the child's life with ANY situation where there might have been a gay parent involved, it ignores multiple other variables.
(3) Arguing that his research is based on data is beside the point. All research is based on data. The question is whether it'...
(2) Further, the issue again isn't whether a parent is gay...but the important issue is the comparison between "gay parents" and "straight parents." This means that for there to be a MEANINGFUL comparison, the two types of environments need to be functionally similar BUT FOR the difference in the makeup of the couple.
For instance, if the study defined "straight parents" as couples who had gone through divorce, were single parents, in mixed families, and who had been married throughout the child's life ONLY WITH gay couples who had been together throughout the child's life...you couldn't honestly demonstrate a difference between "gay" and "straight" parenting because there are too many other variables.
When the Regenerus study compared straight parents who had been together throughout the child's life with ANY situation where there might have been a gay parent involved, it ignores multiple other variables.
(3) Arguing that his research is based on data is beside the point. All research is based on data. The question is whether it's the right data to support any conclusion or assertion you reach.
(4) I never mentioned the source of funding for the research. I believe, in fact, that the funding factor should be left out of the analysis initially...because we can objectively critique the data, methodology, and conclusion without reference to funding sources. I argue on those bases that the study fails to show any difference between gay and straight parents because its statistical groupings are completely flawed.
(5) I actually AGREE that children in a non-nuclear, non-traditional family likely suffer as opposed to those in traditional nuclear families. However, that is most often a criticism...particularly in the non-traditional arena...of society than it is of the family. For instance, a nuclear family that is mixed-race will face various prejudices and judgments that a non-mixed family will. I would say that is due to outside improper prejudice rather than something that naturally occurs in mixed families without that judgment.
2) I'm not certain -what- the issue is they're trying to convey. Perhaps it is a hate-mongering propaganda piece, I'm not certain, which is why I'd prefer to see additional research in this respect. Yes, there are tons of variables but I do not believe in any manner whatsoever a gay couple with a child (or children) could even be remotely similar in function to that of straight parents because of the isolated (and I believe, obvious) dynamics.
I don't believe I equate your use of the term "mixed" quite the same as you. Are you applying this term to both couples or just the straight couple? And while the studies may not be there with static and undeniable proof, personally, I believe (and this isn't hate or bias, it's simply my personal opinion based on anecdotal observations and experiences) a child raised by gays is more likely to be gay. Most children are in awe of their parents and strive to emulate.
The funding of such studies must always be taken into consideration and additional research will eventually reveal if this inform...
2) I'm not certain -what- the issue is they're trying to convey. Perhaps it is a hate-mongering propaganda piece, I'm not certain, which is why I'd prefer to see additional research in this respect. Yes, there are tons of variables but I do not believe in any manner whatsoever a gay couple with a child (or children) could even be remotely similar in function to that of straight parents because of the isolated (and I believe, obvious) dynamics.
I don't believe I equate your use of the term "mixed" quite the same as you. Are you applying this term to both couples or just the straight couple? And while the studies may not be there with static and undeniable proof, personally, I believe (and this isn't hate or bias, it's simply my personal opinion based on anecdotal observations and experiences) a child raised by gays is more likely to be gay. Most children are in awe of their parents and strive to emulate.
The funding of such studies must always be taken into consideration and additional research will eventually reveal if this information is pseudo-science, pure bunk or valid.
It all begins at home. It is usually the kids with non-nuclear families falling prey to peer influence (an incredibly powerful thing). Racism, hatred and bigotry is taught and acquired but it all comes back to the home environment and what is/was taught, acceptable, permitted, etc. What happens -afterward- when the child grows up is ... society.
(2) You use the phrase "I believe" a lot...and that's the problem with using "scientific studies" in a manner that confirms bias. That's the opposite of science.
Believe what you want...however, this study is problematic because it does not meet scientific standards in terms of clearly and meaningfully defining gay v. straigh parents in a manner that controls for different variables that set the couples apart BESIDES their orientations.
When you argue from an "I believe" perspective you are NOT approaching the issue scientifically, and therefore are prohibited from trying to argue scientifically.
I use the phrase "I believe" intentionally to convey exactly that, what I believe.
Regarding the validity of the study, I would begin questioning the funding and not necessarily the methods. I guarantee there are countless more variables, results and pages to this study to which we are not made aware.
There is no way an observer can argue this topic "scientifically" and I never thought otherwise. My beliefs are just that ... beliefs. I made that more than clear in the last post.
American Family Association is against gay people.
The one thing the study did prove was that children do better in stable homes than broken ones. That's been known forever.
“The paper is fundamentally flawed and intentionally misleading,” the statement read. “It doesn’t even measure what it claims to be measuring. Most of the children examined in the paper were not being raised by parents in a committed same-sex relationship, whereas the other children in the study were being raised in two-parent homes with straight parents.”
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