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Latest study says children of gays more prone to being molested, contracting an STD and being poor. Empirical evidence from academia or not?

Average Joe 2012/06/14 22:31:25
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  • iamco2000 2012/06/26 21:38:19
    Empirical evidence doesn't lie
    iamco2000
    ...and of course people are going to balk when real (unbiased) research flushes the predictable results of less than laudable "research".

    Grace to you, Glory to God!
  • iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~ 2012/06/16 03:40:53
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    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    That's not what the study shows at all - in fact, the author of the study explicitly states that it doesn't show that.

    The problem with the study, of course, is that it compares two-parent heterosexual households who raise their biological children until the age of eighteen to mostly broken or blended families involving some form of homosexual activity to get the results.

    That's not really comparing apples to apples.

    http://www.slate.com/articles...

    http://www.slate.com/articles...
  • Average... iamthem... 2012/06/22 19:11:11
    Average Joe
    +1
    The SLATE article appears as a kind of backpedal. In any event, the SLATE article also provided the summary .. "The study’s main takeaway, according to Regnerus, is that kids of gay parents have turned out differently from kids of straight parents, and not in a good way."
  • iamthem... Average... 2012/08/24 18:37:06
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    The important part of that quote, though, is "according to Regnerus." That's the main issue that people have with the article - the claim that Regnerus makes about what it shows isn't clear in the study, or supported by it.

    Mainly, he makes that claim BY grouping any individual parent who has, at any point, had a same-sex relationship or encounter as a "gay parent." Considering that the arguments about gay parenting are directed at allowing SS committed couples to raise children from birth on....that sample is deeply flawed, and completely nonrepresentative.
  • Average... iamthem... 2012/08/25 14:30:16
    Average Joe
    Actually, he is correct in this regard. If one had/has a same-sex encounter then they -are- gay, in the closet or in denial. Just because a person only acted on their gay impulses one time (or a hundred times), they are still gay. His methodology, which admittedly can use additional studies and tweaking, is still derived by data (unless one considers a majority of those who classify themselves as gay, lied on the questions) provided by the target audience, of which he collected and analyzed. Yes, the source of the funding should always play a factor but I'd like to see more research on the subject. I believe children from ANY non-nuclear, non-traditional family environment "suffer" in a manner compared to those who are brought up in a traditional and nuclear environment.
  • iamthem... Average... 2012/08/30 21:48:21
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    (1) Unfortunately, saying that if someone has a same-sex encounter that means they are gay is pretty faulty logic. By necessity, one would have to say that because someone had an opposite-sex encounter then they would be necessarily straight.

    (2) Further, the issue again isn't whether a parent is gay...but the important issue is the comparison between "gay parents" and "straight parents." This means that for there to be a MEANINGFUL comparison, the two types of environments need to be functionally similar BUT FOR the difference in the makeup of the couple.

    For instance, if the study defined "straight parents" as couples who had gone through divorce, were single parents, in mixed families, and who had been married throughout the child's life ONLY WITH gay couples who had been together throughout the child's life...you couldn't honestly demonstrate a difference between "gay" and "straight" parenting because there are too many other variables.

    When the Regenerus study compared straight parents who had been together throughout the child's life with ANY situation where there might have been a gay parent involved, it ignores multiple other variables.

    (3) Arguing that his research is based on data is beside the point. All research is based on data. The question is whether it'...



    (1) Unfortunately, saying that if someone has a same-sex encounter that means they are gay is pretty faulty logic. By necessity, one would have to say that because someone had an opposite-sex encounter then they would be necessarily straight.

    (2) Further, the issue again isn't whether a parent is gay...but the important issue is the comparison between "gay parents" and "straight parents." This means that for there to be a MEANINGFUL comparison, the two types of environments need to be functionally similar BUT FOR the difference in the makeup of the couple.

    For instance, if the study defined "straight parents" as couples who had gone through divorce, were single parents, in mixed families, and who had been married throughout the child's life ONLY WITH gay couples who had been together throughout the child's life...you couldn't honestly demonstrate a difference between "gay" and "straight" parenting because there are too many other variables.

    When the Regenerus study compared straight parents who had been together throughout the child's life with ANY situation where there might have been a gay parent involved, it ignores multiple other variables.

    (3) Arguing that his research is based on data is beside the point. All research is based on data. The question is whether it's the right data to support any conclusion or assertion you reach.

    (4) I never mentioned the source of funding for the research. I believe, in fact, that the funding factor should be left out of the analysis initially...because we can objectively critique the data, methodology, and conclusion without reference to funding sources. I argue on those bases that the study fails to show any difference between gay and straight parents because its statistical groupings are completely flawed.

    (5) I actually AGREE that children in a non-nuclear, non-traditional family likely suffer as opposed to those in traditional nuclear families. However, that is most often a criticism...particularly in the non-traditional arena...of society than it is of the family. For instance, a nuclear family that is mixed-race will face various prejudices and judgments that a non-mixed family will. I would say that is due to outside improper prejudice rather than something that naturally occurs in mixed families without that judgment.
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  • Average... iamthem... 2012/09/01 00:38:44
    Average Joe
    1) Only if one believes each an example is mutually inclusive of which it is not. Straight people do not have sex with the same sex, period. Using such an analogy, the prisons are full of men engaging in homosexual acts yet consider themselves straight.

    2) I'm not certain -what- the issue is they're trying to convey. Perhaps it is a hate-mongering propaganda piece, I'm not certain, which is why I'd prefer to see additional research in this respect. Yes, there are tons of variables but I do not believe in any manner whatsoever a gay couple with a child (or children) could even be remotely similar in function to that of straight parents because of the isolated (and I believe, obvious) dynamics.

    I don't believe I equate your use of the term "mixed" quite the same as you. Are you applying this term to both couples or just the straight couple? And while the studies may not be there with static and undeniable proof, personally, I believe (and this isn't hate or bias, it's simply my personal opinion based on anecdotal observations and experiences) a child raised by gays is more likely to be gay. Most children are in awe of their parents and strive to emulate.

    The funding of such studies must always be taken into consideration and additional research will eventually reveal if this inform...

    1) Only if one believes each an example is mutually inclusive of which it is not. Straight people do not have sex with the same sex, period. Using such an analogy, the prisons are full of men engaging in homosexual acts yet consider themselves straight.

    2) I'm not certain -what- the issue is they're trying to convey. Perhaps it is a hate-mongering propaganda piece, I'm not certain, which is why I'd prefer to see additional research in this respect. Yes, there are tons of variables but I do not believe in any manner whatsoever a gay couple with a child (or children) could even be remotely similar in function to that of straight parents because of the isolated (and I believe, obvious) dynamics.

    I don't believe I equate your use of the term "mixed" quite the same as you. Are you applying this term to both couples or just the straight couple? And while the studies may not be there with static and undeniable proof, personally, I believe (and this isn't hate or bias, it's simply my personal opinion based on anecdotal observations and experiences) a child raised by gays is more likely to be gay. Most children are in awe of their parents and strive to emulate.

    The funding of such studies must always be taken into consideration and additional research will eventually reveal if this information is pseudo-science, pure bunk or valid.

    It all begins at home. It is usually the kids with non-nuclear families falling prey to peer influence (an incredibly powerful thing). Racism, hatred and bigotry is taught and acquired but it all comes back to the home environment and what is/was taught, acceptable, permitted, etc. What happens -afterward- when the child grows up is ... society.
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  • iamthem... Average... 2012/09/01 15:58:26
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    (1) Now you're making up your own definitions. You cannot say that a qualification for one side doesn't apply equally to the other without sounding like a hypocrite.

    (2) You use the phrase "I believe" a lot...and that's the problem with using "scientific studies" in a manner that confirms bias. That's the opposite of science.

    Believe what you want...however, this study is problematic because it does not meet scientific standards in terms of clearly and meaningfully defining gay v. straigh parents in a manner that controls for different variables that set the couples apart BESIDES their orientations.

    When you argue from an "I believe" perspective you are NOT approaching the issue scientifically, and therefore are prohibited from trying to argue scientifically.
  • Average... iamthem... 2012/09/01 22:02:38
    Average Joe
    You make the assumption each are mutually inclusive, How do you arrive at such a concusion?

    I use the phrase "I believe" intentionally to convey exactly that, what I believe.

    Regarding the validity of the study, I would begin questioning the funding and not necessarily the methods. I guarantee there are countless more variables, results and pages to this study to which we are not made aware.

    There is no way an observer can argue this topic "scientifically" and I never thought otherwise. My beliefs are just that ... beliefs. I made that more than clear in the last post.
  • iamthem... Average... 2012/09/02 14:05:45
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    If your beliefs are just that...why do you even care about the study?
  • Average... iamthem... 2012/09/03 23:39:52
    Average Joe
    I really don't. I'm on this forum for pure entertainment and cherry-pick (like everyone else) what I reply to. You're here for another reason?
  • iamthem... Average... 2012/09/04 16:10:06
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    Honest discussion.
  • Average... iamthem... 2012/09/04 21:08:46
    Average Joe
    As opposed to ... dishonest discussions? In regards to the Internet, many studies indicate a -majority- of people are less than honest on the Internet (especially in regards to Internet dating sites) second only to fudging job applications.
  • iamthem... Average... 2012/09/04 21:50:21
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    I prefer not to accept the lowest common denominator.
  • Average... iamthem... 2012/09/04 21:55:38
    Average Joe
    That's a fantastic mode of operation but not too realistic in regard to "honest" discussions on the Internet.
  • Thomas Rea: Gay Christian A... 2012/06/15 19:38:52
    Homophobes
    Thomas Rea: Gay Christian Advocate
    the site is part of American Family News Network which is also a division of American Family Association

    American Family Association is against gay people.
  • Kaimeso 2012/06/15 00:49:39
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    Kaimeso
    AFTAH, not exactly an objective source,.
  • Zuggi 2012/06/14 23:35:17
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    Zuggi
    It's a failure of a study for one simple reason: it compares apples to oranges. Because the youngest people in the study were born in 1994, there weren't enough gay families involved in the study. But the gay kids (overwhelmingly from broken homes) were compared to children of stable straight families. That's not science; that's apples and oranges.

    The one thing the study did prove was that children do better in stable homes than broken ones. That's been known forever.
  • Bella 2012/06/14 23:20:27
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    Bella
    +1
    It appears the sampling is in question. These "findings sparked debate online Monday, and today four major LGBT organizations, the Family Equality Council, Human Rights Campaign, Freedom to Marry group and the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, issued a joint statement condemning Regnerus’ research for seeking to disparage LGBT parents.

    “The paper is fundamentally flawed and intentionally misleading,” the statement read. “It doesn’t even measure what it claims to be measuring. Most of the children examined in the paper were not being raised by parents in a committed same-sex relationship, whereas the other children in the study were being raised in two-parent homes with straight parents.”

    http://www.dailytexanonline.c...
  • Average Joe 2012/06/14 22:32:45

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