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Karl Barth, "the most important theologian since Thomas Aquinas", pointed to "the criminal arrogance of religion.” Which religion is the most criminally arrogant?

holyheretic 2012/06/13 22:30:54
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I disagree with the eminent theologian Karl Barth: no religion is criminally arrogant
All religions are criminally arrogant
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  • GOD 2012/06/14 14:01:59
    All religions are criminally arrogant
    GOD
    +4
    Am I supposed to be humble when I am so great?
    godfrey cambridge
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  • closinyou Ambassa... 2012/06/15 07:48:06 (edited)
    closinyou
    +1
    Abortion makes your mindless and ridiculously overplayed and systematically refuted exaggerated and inaccurate attack on religion look so insignificant it's absurd! Interestingly, most if not all religion forbids abortion! What does that say about those who wage war on religion?

    Science states that the supernatural is outside of the realm of science and therefore can not be tested using the scientific method! The glaring revelation that science makes, is that another source is needed for testing and observing the supernatural. To say that a belief in the supernatural is delusional, not only goes against the consensus held by science (scientists), it discredits the very source looked to for accreditation!

    Think about it. Each of us live as though love and hate, courage and cowardice, honesty and lies, pride and humility, all mean something very profound. But if these feelings and virtues are merely evolutionary mechanisms developed out of necessity to further the survival of soulless creatures in a godless universe, then they have no more meaning than our eyelids or fingernails; they’re just things that aid the survival of other things, and the joke is on us for believing them to be more profound.

    Thus meaning itself is dependent on God. If you remove Him from the picture, t...

    Abortion makes your mindless and ridiculously overplayed and systematically refuted exaggerated and inaccurate attack on religion look so insignificant it's absurd! Interestingly, most if not all religion forbids abortion! What does that say about those who wage war on religion?

    Science states that the supernatural is outside of the realm of science and therefore can not be tested using the scientific method! The glaring revelation that science makes, is that another source is needed for testing and observing the supernatural. To say that a belief in the supernatural is delusional, not only goes against the consensus held by science (scientists), it discredits the very source looked to for accreditation!

    Think about it. Each of us live as though love and hate, courage and cowardice, honesty and lies, pride and humility, all mean something very profound. But if these feelings and virtues are merely evolutionary mechanisms developed out of necessity to further the survival of soulless creatures in a godless universe, then they have no more meaning than our eyelids or fingernails; they’re just things that aid the survival of other things, and the joke is on us for believing them to be more profound.

    Thus meaning itself is dependent on God. If you remove Him from the picture, then humanity is reduced to a series of specks in the cosmos that drift into and out of existence, laboring under the delusion that they have some real purpose or value.

    In that context, it is difficult to understand why atheists care to argue about any of this. According to them, our thoughts and feelings are not attached to souls, but mere matter. We are no more meaningful than rocks; we only think we are. Yet, in the ultimate contradiction, atheists who hold these beliefs continue to live with purpose, even if their purpose is only to convince everyone else that there is no purpose. It is ultimately perplexing.
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  • holyher... closinyou 2012/06/15 08:12:09
  • Ambassa... closinyou 2012/06/15 08:17:56 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    +1
    You surely have made your life "perplexing" with all that jumbo. The next to last sentence of your comment sums up the absurdity of all that you posted above. The world is and has always been filled with lives of great purpose who don't need a crutch or delusion to support their actions.

    You are a body walking around, 95% of you is water, and when you are dead the water will soak into the earth and you will become a few pounds of dust and bones, nothing more. Were you a monkey or a fish, your fate would be the same - death, rot, evaporate, leave a spot in the earth, nothing more. That is your physical self. What you leave behind as progentry, art, music, literature, contributions to science or other meaningful subjects, that is your soul, your "life after death". That is all one needs, a purpose for which to live, to contribute and gain pride. All the hokey of religions is just a means of superstitions providing a fairly easy life to those who can spin the delusions in an interesting manner and persuade the listeners to pay something for the experience.

    For some, the experience is worthwhile and makes a suitable guide for their actions. Without it, some would be meandering and lost. For others, the experience becomes
    a crusade, an obsession to convince others of the n...
    You surely have made your life "perplexing" with all that jumbo. The next to last sentence of your comment sums up the absurdity of all that you posted above. The world is and has always been filled with lives of great purpose who don't need a crutch or delusion to support their actions.

    You are a body walking around, 95% of you is water, and when you are dead the water will soak into the earth and you will become a few pounds of dust and bones, nothing more. Were you a monkey or a fish, your fate would be the same - death, rot, evaporate, leave a spot in the earth, nothing more. That is your physical self. What you leave behind as progentry, art, music, literature, contributions to science or other meaningful subjects, that is your soul, your "life after death". That is all one needs, a purpose for which to live, to contribute and gain pride. All the hokey of religions is just a means of superstitions providing a fairly easy life to those who can spin the delusions in an interesting manner and persuade the listeners to pay something for the experience.

    For some, the experience is worthwhile and makes a suitable guide for their actions. Without it, some would be meandering and lost. For others, the experience becomes
    a crusade, an obsession to convince others of the necessity to join in the delusions and surrender the mind to the "spinner" and the ancient story books. Those are the dangerous ones, the ones to be avoided and restrained before they do harm by destroying the creativity I described above.
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  • closinyou Ambassa... 2012/06/15 10:52:13
    closinyou
    I will use your words to respond. (and a few of mine)
    "The next to last sentence of your comment sums up the absurdity of all that you posted above."
    Are you not doing this? You have an " obsession to convince others of the necessity to join in the delusions and surrender the mind to the "spinner" and the ancient story books." This is also very concerning. It seems you have forgotten what you deny believing in! How do you account for these obsessions, delusions or motivations you describe "the dangerous ones" possessing? Furthermore the delusion represented here is yours. You seem to believe you KNOW that these people are delusional. This idea of yours is in fact a delusion! You can not rationally, reasonably or intellectually make claims that do not follow logic! As for doing harm...I'm confident that is your doing and you will answer for it.

    Atheists will be judged like all those without the law and without Christ are judged. They will be considered a law unto themselves and their judgment will be based not on any biblical laws but on their own conscience, with their own words excusing them or accusing them. (this is explicitly stated in Romans Chapter 2) If they were intellectually honest and listened to their own conscience their words will excuse them and the wil...
    I will use your words to respond. (and a few of mine)
    "The next to last sentence of your comment sums up the absurdity of all that you posted above."
    Are you not doing this? You have an " obsession to convince others of the necessity to join in the delusions and surrender the mind to the "spinner" and the ancient story books." This is also very concerning. It seems you have forgotten what you deny believing in! How do you account for these obsessions, delusions or motivations you describe "the dangerous ones" possessing? Furthermore the delusion represented here is yours. You seem to believe you KNOW that these people are delusional. This idea of yours is in fact a delusion! You can not rationally, reasonably or intellectually make claims that do not follow logic! As for doing harm...I'm confident that is your doing and you will answer for it.

    Atheists will be judged like all those without the law and without Christ are judged. They will be considered a law unto themselves and their judgment will be based not on any biblical laws but on their own conscience, with their own words excusing them or accusing them. (this is explicitly stated in Romans Chapter 2) If they were intellectually honest and listened to their own conscience their words will excuse them and the will not be condemned. If on the other hand they were intellectually dishonest and ignored their conscience their own words will accuse them and they will face condemnation, but because their condemnation is based on their own words against their own conscience they themselves will agree that the judgment was just. What atheist could ask for more?
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  • Ambassa... closinyou 2012/06/16 03:32:01
    Ambassador II
    OK, you've worn me out with the jumbo talk. Good luck to you. I just wanted permission to shoot my neighbor on Sunday morning, and you made it sooo confusing.
  • JwonGalt 2012/06/14 00:13:46
    All religions are criminally arrogant
    JwonGalt
    +1
    Although...Buddhism is a way of life not a religion.
  • holyher... JwonGalt 2012/06/14 00:20:45
  • JwonGalt holyher... 2012/06/14 00:25:32
    JwonGalt
    +1
    Anytime, I love being a rebel

    And I understand, I simply go off the opinions of the buddhists that I do know (these do not consider it a religion because they believe that they do not wait for the Buddha...they Become the Buddha)

    But we all know...most ways of life DO end up becoming religions, Christianity being one of them -_-
  • holyher... JwonGalt 2012/06/14 00:27:03
  • Osaka 2012/06/13 23:34:13
    Scientology
    Osaka
    +3
    You forgot traditional beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness. They think they are the only branch of Christianity going to heaven and they actually permit abusing children... Michael Jackson's family was Jehovah's Witness, he went through a lot.
  • holyher... Osaka 2012/06/13 23:44:45
  • closinyou Osaka 2012/06/14 01:39:46
    closinyou
    +2
    JW's falsely claim to be in line with Christianity! Their beliefs even at a fundamental level oppose Christianity! JW is a belief system that doesn't believe what it believes or adhere to Christian (Biblical) teachings, but instead creates it's own set of beliefs and guidelines!

    This is the opposite of a Christian religion! Simply put, it is a cult!
  • JesusIs... closinyou 2012/06/14 03:03:07
    JesusIsMyGod
    +2
    Well said.
  • closinyou JesusIs... 2012/06/15 10:54:53
    closinyou
    Thank you.
  • Osaka closinyou 2012/06/14 03:38:20
    Osaka
    +2
    They are similar to Islam like Catholicism is closer to Paganism. Pagans may deny it but Catholics didn't steal but Pagans had part in the Catholic church. Thats why Catholics worship the many saints like they are gods' and goddesses.

    I know they are a cult, I just used what they claimed to be just to avoid MORE trolls.
  • holyher... Osaka 2012/06/14 08:17:37
  • Osaka holyher... 2012/06/14 08:40:19
    Osaka
    +1
    Can make normal post?

    I meant pagans actually built the catholic church.
  • holyher... Osaka 2012/06/14 08:49:26 (edited)
  • Osaka holyher... 2012/06/14 19:53:40
    Osaka
    Yeah there is a fact that some "christian" churches turn into pagan churches for some reason. I know people who walked away from their church because of that.

    Don't know why people call catholics, christians. The many denominations were formed because Cathocism contradicted the Bible.
  • closinyou holyher... 2012/06/15 11:03:47
    closinyou
    Not most... certainly some.

    However, all claimed atheists are in reality agnostic! Atheism stands on a platform of ignorance and outside of logic! Atheists cannot logically state that there is no God because you cannot know all things so as to determine that there is no God.
  • holyher... closinyou 2012/06/14 08:16:44
  • Raymond Allamby 2012/06/13 23:16:10
    All religions are criminally arrogant
    Raymond Allamby
    +1
    at some point in history, every religion has been the reason for the murder of fellow human beings. for that alone, all religions deserve the death penalty.
  • holyher... Raymond... 2012/06/13 23:27:15
  • JesusIsMyGod 2012/06/13 23:14:16
    I disagree with the eminent theologian Karl Barth: no religion is criminally ...
    JesusIsMyGod
    +2
    I could not pick one. I do not want to offend anyone.
  • holyher... JesusIs... 2012/06/13 23:25:31
  • JesusIs... holyher... 2012/06/14 00:14:05
    JesusIsMyGod
    +1
    You are welcome. morning glory
  • holyher... JesusIs... 2012/06/14 00:23:28
  • JesusIs... holyher... 2012/06/14 03:03:51
    JesusIsMyGod
    +1
    You are quite welcome. two daisies
  • Mark In Irvine 2012/06/13 22:43:54 (edited)
    All religions are criminally arrogant
    Mark In Irvine
    +1
    this post is WAY ABOVE the ability of most of the SH users to reason.
  • holyher... Mark In... 2012/06/13 22:48:36

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