Other than your insane conspiracy theories with absolutely no evidence.
Then again I figured out a while ago you never pay any attention to evidence.
Justice Roberts and the GOP dupe the American people.
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It’s been said that the rich are different than you and me. What most Americans don’t know is that they’re also quite different from each other. Example; George Soros is not the same as Karl Roves , vise versa... and which faction is currently running the show ultimately makes a vast difference in the kind of country we are.
Right now, a lot of our problems stem directly from the fact that the wrong sort has finally gotten the upper hand; a particularly brutal and anti-democratic strain of American aristocrat that the other good elites have lost to. Worse: this bunch has set a very ugly tone that’s corrupted how many people with power and money behave in every corner of our culture. Here’s what happened, and how it happened, and what it means for America now.
Our history, American economics, culture and politics have been on the one hand; New England-based Yankee aristocracy that was rooted in Puritan communitarian sharing values, educated at the Ivies and marinated in an ethic of noblesse oblige (the conviction that those who possess wealth and power are morally bound to use it for the betterment of society).
While they’ve done their share of minor damage and a lot of good to the notion of democracy in the name of profit and charity (as some financial elites will do), this group has, for the most part, tempered its predatory instincts with a code that valued mass education and human rights for all; held up public service as both a duty and an honor; and imbued them with the belief that once you made your nut, you had a moral duty to do something positive with it for the betterment of mankind. Your own legacy depended on this. This is what led to things like Social Security for all and now Health Care for all. Mostly this side of our country produced the Liberal and moderate persons that formed in both parties that we have now.
Among the presidents, this strain gave us both Roosevelts, , John F. Kennedy, Clinton and now Obama. With wealthy people giving to charities like Soros — all nerdy, intellectuals who, for all their faults, at least took the business of good government seriously. Among financial elites, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet still both partake strongly of this traditional view of wealth as power to be used for good. Even if they don’t like the others specific choices of how to use wealth for good, the core impulse is to improve the world or at the very least our Country is a good one — and one that’s been conspicuously absent in other aristocratic culture here and in other places in this world..
Which brings us to that other great historical American nobility — the plantation aristocracy of the lowland South, which has been notable throughout its 400-year history for its utter lack of civic interest, its hostility to the very ideas of democracy and human rights, and non-christian religions within it's borders and out of them. Their heart was love of hierarchy. Their fear was of education and technology for the poor and their progress was made driven by reliance on brutality and violence to maintain “order,” and its outright celebration of inequality as an order divinely ordained by God.
Out of this came the Conservatives. And for a time domineered both parties in the House and Senate... So, out of this came Woodrow Wilson, Eisenhower,Johnson, Carter, Nixon,Ford, Reagan, and both Bushes and rich people like the Koch Brothers and Roves.
So where does this leave us today?
It seems the South way of doing things is on the rise again. That started on how Bush Jr. became President....they had the upper hand and used it to put their man in the highest office. Al Gore was robbed of the Presidency...
Now we have Obama. A man that the Conservative Southern right thought would never get elected because of skin color. To them no true American would vote in a black man. But the country was changing. This country grew tried of the conservative southern way of doing politics. So Obama got elected...and the number one reason for his election was...he campaigned on revamping HEALTH CARE.
That was the big change. And the majority of America wanted this. So what happens? He gets it past and now the Southern conservative strategist and Right Wing Think Tanks need to stop it..or slow it down, or better yet, make it easy for States of Red to fight it and stop it...
Enter John Glover Roberts, Jr.'s passing Health care reform.
On June 28, 2012, Roberts delivered the majority opinion in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, which upheld the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act by a 5-4 vote. The Court ruled that although the "individual mandate" component of the act was unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause, it could be construed as a tax and therefore valid under Congress's authority to "lay and collect taxes.
The Court overturned a portion of the law related to the withholding of funds from states that did not comply with the expansion of Medicaid; Roberts wrote that "Congress is not free ... to penalize states that choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their existing Medicaid funding. Sources state that Roberts switched his vote regarding the individual mandate sometime after an initial vote.
Did you see the magic words?...no?...here it is again - Roberts wrote that "Congress is not free ... to penalize states that
choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their
existing Medicaid funding.
one more time - "Congress is not free ... to penalize states that
choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their
existing Medicaid funding.
See?...They were all working together all this time. GOP with the help of the very conservative Roberts help duped the American people. But lets remember; Roberts is a conservative. He has a very long history with very good ( hiding their evil )right wing people and Presidents of the Republican party. ( well Nixon didn't hide his evil too good lol) But they since learned from their WaterGate blunder.
Roberts is no dummy. Do not think for ONE MINUTE that the Republican Party hates him. And lets say for sake of argument, Roberts is no traitor to the right wing party. In his past on the Wade vs Roe abortion trials Roberts really never confirmed his true feelings on it...but wrote the briefs in such a way that a door would always be open to some day with the right GOP people in...to over turn the ruling.
Well, he did the very same thing here with Obama's Health Care. And lets face it. After reading this post, we can all see clearly, it was planned to go this way.
So the reality is the American people have been scammed by Roberts and the GOP elites on this one big time. Roberts wrote it up as a tax for three reasons; one; to make it Constitutional and two; to make Obama look like a lair because Obama said over a year ago it wasn't a tax but there was no way for Obama to know Roberts was going to do this. And third, being written up as a tax benefits Reds States that want to fight it because, it can give them a good upper hand start in figuring ways to break it down.
Don't believe me?...Florida Gov. Rick Scott now says Florida will do
nothing to comply with President Barack Obama's health care overhaul and
will not expand its Medicaid program. And Roberts ruling gives him that right. And many more Red States will follow Gov. Scott's lead.
So what is the lesson here? Never trust any Republican Conservative to do the real right things for the American people...because they only work for that one percent of Aristocrats.
It's only a matter of all the Republican rich getting together in these red States with endless challenges to slowly try and dismantle it. Now you all now this history lesson I have given you. So don't think for one minute that the Republicans in the House and Senate are upset with Roberts...it's all a ploy...after all , they were all on it together to help destroy Obama's health care bill from the beginning...just like they still plan to some day over turn the Abortion ruling thanks to Roberts..
Right now, a lot of our problems stem directly from the fact that the wrong sort has finally gotten the upper hand; a particularly brutal and anti-democratic strain of American aristocrat that the other good elites have lost to. Worse: this bunch has set a very ugly tone that’s corrupted how many people with power and money behave in every corner of our culture. Here’s what happened, and how it happened, and what it means for America now.
Our history, American economics, culture and politics have been on the one hand; New England-based Yankee aristocracy that was rooted in Puritan communitarian sharing values, educated at the Ivies and marinated in an ethic of noblesse oblige (the conviction that those who possess wealth and power are morally bound to use it for the betterment of society).
While they’ve done their share of minor damage and a lot of good to the notion of democracy in the name of profit and charity (as some financial elites will do), this group has, for the most part, tempered its predatory instincts with a code that valued mass education and human rights for all; held up public service as both a duty and an honor; and imbued them with the belief that once you made your nut, you had a moral duty to do something positive with it for the betterment of mankind. Your own legacy depended on this. This is what led to things like Social Security for all and now Health Care for all. Mostly this side of our country produced the Liberal and moderate persons that formed in both parties that we have now.
Among the presidents, this strain gave us both Roosevelts, , John F. Kennedy, Clinton and now Obama. With wealthy people giving to charities like Soros — all nerdy, intellectuals who, for all their faults, at least took the business of good government seriously. Among financial elites, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet still both partake strongly of this traditional view of wealth as power to be used for good. Even if they don’t like the others specific choices of how to use wealth for good, the core impulse is to improve the world or at the very least our Country is a good one — and one that’s been conspicuously absent in other aristocratic culture here and in other places in this world..
Which brings us to that other great historical American nobility — the plantation aristocracy of the lowland South, which has been notable throughout its 400-year history for its utter lack of civic interest, its hostility to the very ideas of democracy and human rights, and non-christian religions within it's borders and out of them. Their heart was love of hierarchy. Their fear was of education and technology for the poor and their progress was made driven by reliance on brutality and violence to maintain “order,” and its outright celebration of inequality as an order divinely ordained by God.
Out of this came the Conservatives. And for a time domineered both parties in the House and Senate... So, out of this came Woodrow Wilson, Eisenhower,Johnson, Carter, Nixon,Ford, Reagan, and both Bushes and rich people like the Koch Brothers and Roves.
So where does this leave us today?
It seems the South way of doing things is on the rise again. That started on how Bush Jr. became President....they had the upper hand and used it to put their man in the highest office. Al Gore was robbed of the Presidency...
Now we have Obama. A man that the Conservative Southern right thought would never get elected because of skin color. To them no true American would vote in a black man. But the country was changing. This country grew tried of the conservative southern way of doing politics. So Obama got elected...and the number one reason for his election was...he campaigned on revamping HEALTH CARE.
That was the big change. And the majority of America wanted this. So what happens? He gets it past and now the Southern conservative strategist and Right Wing Think Tanks need to stop it..or slow it down, or better yet, make it easy for States of Red to fight it and stop it...
Enter John Glover Roberts, Jr.'s passing Health care reform.
On June 28, 2012, Roberts delivered the majority opinion in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, which upheld the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act by a 5-4 vote. The Court ruled that although the "individual mandate" component of the act was unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause, it could be construed as a tax and therefore valid under Congress's authority to "lay and collect taxes.
The Court overturned a portion of the law related to the withholding of funds from states that did not comply with the expansion of Medicaid; Roberts wrote that "Congress is not free ... to penalize states that choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their existing Medicaid funding. Sources state that Roberts switched his vote regarding the individual mandate sometime after an initial vote.
Did you see the magic words?...no?...here it is again - Roberts wrote that "Congress is not free ... to penalize states that
choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their
existing Medicaid funding.
one more time - "Congress is not free ... to penalize states that
choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their
existing Medicaid funding.
See?...They were all working together all this time. GOP with the help of the very conservative Roberts help duped the American people. But lets remember; Roberts is a conservative. He has a very long history with very good ( hiding their evil )right wing people and Presidents of the Republican party. ( well Nixon didn't hide his evil too good lol) But they since learned from their WaterGate blunder.
Roberts is no dummy. Do not think for ONE MINUTE that the Republican Party hates him. And lets say for sake of argument, Roberts is no traitor to the right wing party. In his past on the Wade vs Roe abortion trials Roberts really never confirmed his true feelings on it...but wrote the briefs in such a way that a door would always be open to some day with the right GOP people in...to over turn the ruling.
Well, he did the very same thing here with Obama's Health Care. And lets face it. After reading this post, we can all see clearly, it was planned to go this way.
So the reality is the American people have been scammed by Roberts and the GOP elites on this one big time. Roberts wrote it up as a tax for three reasons; one; to make it Constitutional and two; to make Obama look like a lair because Obama said over a year ago it wasn't a tax but there was no way for Obama to know Roberts was going to do this. And third, being written up as a tax benefits Reds States that want to fight it because, it can give them a good upper hand start in figuring ways to break it down.
Don't believe me?...Florida Gov. Rick Scott now says Florida will do
nothing to comply with President Barack Obama's health care overhaul and
will not expand its Medicaid program. And Roberts ruling gives him that right. And many more Red States will follow Gov. Scott's lead.
So what is the lesson here? Never trust any Republican Conservative to do the real right things for the American people...because they only work for that one percent of Aristocrats.
It's only a matter of all the Republican rich getting together in these red States with endless challenges to slowly try and dismantle it. Now you all now this history lesson I have given you. So don't think for one minute that the Republicans in the House and Senate are upset with Roberts...it's all a ploy...after all , they were all on it together to help destroy Obama's health care bill from the beginning...just like they still plan to some day over turn the Abortion ruling thanks to Roberts..
Top Opinion
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Ryan 2012/07/03 14:49:11
What you don't seem to get is that the Republiscums actually FAVOR Obamacare, or at least the establishment, corporatist Repubs do. They just don't want to be publicly seen touting it, because they are trying to use the highly unpopular individual mandates as an electoral issue against Obama. Why do I say this:
1) Obamacare is structurally similar to Romneycare, with it's individual mandates to buy health insurance, and McCain campaigned for individual mandates.
and
2) Roberts is not so stupid as to believe in his claim that the fines one must pay if one doesn't buy health insurance is really a tax on the non-purchase of something. It is highly convoluted logic, to say the least. The case would not have even been allowed in the Supreme Court if it were a tax case, because it is not permitted to challenge a tax in the S.C. until it has first been levied, which it won't be until 2014. The logic is so strained that it must have been devised to meet a political, rather than a legal, requirement.
And what political requirement might that be?
In my opinion, Roberts is providing judicial cover for Congressional Repubs who favor Obamacare/Romneycare, but don't dare say so for fear of offending their conservative base. This way, they can continu...&&&
What you don't seem to get is that the Republiscums actually FAVOR Obamacare, or at least the establishment, corporatist Repubs do. They just don't want to be publicly seen touting it, because they are trying to use the highly unpopular individual mandates as an electoral issue against Obama. Why do I say this:
1) Obamacare is structurally similar to Romneycare, with it's individual mandates to buy health insurance, and McCain campaigned for individual mandates.
and
2) Roberts is not so stupid as to believe in his claim that the fines one must pay if one doesn't buy health insurance is really a tax on the non-purchase of something. It is highly convoluted logic, to say the least. The case would not have even been allowed in the Supreme Court if it were a tax case, because it is not permitted to challenge a tax in the S.C. until it has first been levied, which it won't be until 2014. The logic is so strained that it must have been devised to meet a political, rather than a legal, requirement.
And what political requirement might that be?
In my opinion, Roberts is providing judicial cover for Congressional Repubs who favor Obamacare/Romneycare, but don't dare say so for fear of offending their conservative base. This way, they can continue to pretend that they wish to repeal Obamacare, which they will never actually do, even if Romney and a Repub Congress is elected. They favor anything that advances the profits of the corporations that give them money, and Obamacare/Romneycare does that by forcing everyone to buy private health insurance, and by not even having a public option. To summarize: Obama & the Democroaches deceived their base by promoting a corporatist model of health care, & selling it as "progressive;" the Republiscums are deceiving their base by attacking it as "progressive," & lyingly claiming to be working to repeal it. If Roberts had voted to overturn it, it would have ended a scam that both "parties" are heavily invested in.
Then again I figured out a while ago you never pay any attention to evidence.
It's not up to me to disprove you, it's up to you to back up your claims.
The actions of state Governors doesn't matter to this case. It doesn't do anything to prove or disprove your theory because that isn't what the court based their decision on.
"Seven justices agreed that Congress had exceeded its constitutional authority by coercing states into participating in the expansion by threatening them with the loss of existing federal payments."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/0...
Congress does not legally have the right to enact such a rule. The vast majority of the court declared this. 5 of your "evil" conservatives, and 2 liberals.
Where is the vast Evil COnservative Conspiracy in 7 out of 9 Supreme Court Justices agreeing that the Constitution doesn't allow Congress to do something?
For your claim of a conspiracy to have merit, you need to show evidence Congress does have that authority.
Or was the conspiracy that they decided, "that the federal government is not permitted to force individuals not engaged in commercial activities to buy services they do not want," is that where your evil is located?
The key point to Justice Roberts' decision is that Congress does have the power to set taxes. They can tax people, and t...
It's not up to me to disprove you, it's up to you to back up your claims.
The actions of state Governors doesn't matter to this case. It doesn't do anything to prove or disprove your theory because that isn't what the court based their decision on.
"Seven justices agreed that Congress had exceeded its constitutional authority by coercing states into participating in the expansion by threatening them with the loss of existing federal payments."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/0...
Congress does not legally have the right to enact such a rule. The vast majority of the court declared this. 5 of your "evil" conservatives, and 2 liberals.
Where is the vast Evil COnservative Conspiracy in 7 out of 9 Supreme Court Justices agreeing that the Constitution doesn't allow Congress to do something?
For your claim of a conspiracy to have merit, you need to show evidence Congress does have that authority.
Or was the conspiracy that they decided, "that the federal government is not permitted to force individuals not engaged in commercial activities to buy services they do not want," is that where your evil is located?
The key point to Justice Roberts' decision is that Congress does have the power to set taxes. They can tax people, and therefore they can add a tax on every single US citizen, with a deduction of that same amount if you have Health Insurance.
That's all the Madate was really.
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/201...
That is where I started to question your knowledge of history. Then you said this about Justice Roberts: "but [he] wrote the briefs it in such a way that a door would always be open to some day with the right GOP ponies in...to over turn the ruling." I'm not sure, but it sounds as if you believe that Justice Roberts was a part of the Roe V. Wade Ruling, which simply is not the case (he wasn't nominated until George W. Bush in 2005).
Just before that, you attack Justice Roberts on his decision with regards to the medicare issue, complaining that he stated :"Congress is not free ... to penalize states that choose not to participate in that new program by taking away ...
That is where I started to question your knowledge of history. Then you said this about Justice Roberts: "but [he] wrote the briefs it in such a way that a door would always be open to some day with the right GOP ponies in...to over turn the ruling." I'm not sure, but it sounds as if you believe that Justice Roberts was a part of the Roe V. Wade Ruling, which simply is not the case (he wasn't nominated until George W. Bush in 2005).
Just before that, you attack Justice Roberts on his decision with regards to the medicare issue, complaining that he stated :"Congress is not free ... to penalize states that choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their existing Medicaid funding." Why is this a bad thing? Conservative states have already said they would not implement it, which means that every person in those states would have lost their medicaid funding, and thus this law would have hurt the people. Not to mention that this is a bully technique. Playground children use this to get what they want. "Either you play out field or I'm taking my kickball home." That is the equivalent logic of the medicare system in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care act. Also, two of the Liberal judges voted with the conservative on this issue, making it 7 to 2. That isn't exactly just the conservatives doing it.
"In away the American ponies have been scammed by Roberts and the GOP elites on this one big time. Roberts wrote it up as a tax for three reasons; one; to make it Constitutional and two; to make Obama look like a lair because there was no way for Obama to know Roberts was going to do this. And third, written up as a tax so Reds States that want to fight it can have a good upper hoof in figuring ways to break it down" There are so many false statements here. First, the most glaring. Obama's administration argued for it as a tax. To say they didn't expect this is to ignore reality. They are the reason that Justice Roberts decided this way, not the conservatives. Second, why would a conservative want to MAKE this law constitutional. Striking down the law would have been much more beneficial to conservatives, since it would mean Obama's one significant achievement, his one unbroken campaign promise, was unconstitutional and no longer matters. That would have been devastating to liberals. Third, you seem to be implying some form of collusion between Conservatives and Justice Roberts. Where is your evidence of this? The best you have is a rumor that Roberts changed his mind. Birtherism has more ground to stand on than that, and only morons still believe in that.
You might try to stay in the realm of reality if you want to make a point that people other than your parroting political base are going to buy. Constantly attacking a group, and with completely insane and baseless accusations, will weaken, not strengthen your cause.
And you have your opinion on the rest...because it the GOP who took the kick ball away and threw it off the cliff and said, "your kick ball, go get it"
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/201...
antoehr robets is not a Conserative he is a liberal progressive republican
Kennedy was right to say FASCIST obamacare is wrong
the Traitor roberts will be remembered as a RED COAT and Spineless Coward
I thank god live in a free state whose leader told obama our state will not bow to his FASCIST Oppression
Americans will cheer when Israel tells obama to get bent and destroys his Child Rapist Muslim terrorist Heroes
who worships obama as a god
I cant wait to the 2nd American Revolution happens
that's when the TRAITORS will be dealt with
Ah a Liberal Progressive ELITE LEADER wishing violence on somebody who does not worship liberal progressives/Atheism and obama.
your comment will very interesting to the American Voter this Election Cycle
you are Representing ELITE LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE DNC/Obama with so much Hate/Racism
Mosh Defeated PEDOPHILE JEW Killing Nazis and Muslim terrorist
the Terrorist Obama Regime are still Jew hating terrorist
You can thank your RACISM and Anti Semite Hate Spew for liberal progressive democrats for losing this election year
Imam Sodomizes Three Boys at Mosque for Prayers...
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Iran's Revolutionary Guard Closes Church Properties...
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your comments will be the down fall of democrats this November