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Jail Time for Phoenix Man Who Hosted Bible Study at His Home

Herb 2012/07/08 08:09:16
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A Phoenix man who held weekly Bible studies at his home has had the book thrown at him over the religious gatherings. Michael Salman (pictured above) has been sentenced to two months in jail and more than $12,000 in fines because the group sessions at his home were against the city's building code, Fox News Radio reported.

"They're cracking down on religious activities and religious use," Salman told Fox News Radio. "They're attacking what I as a Christian do in the privacy of my home."

Vicki Hill, Phoenix's chief assistant city prosecutor, said religious freedom had nothing to do with it and that it was a matter of public safety.

"Any time you are holding a gathering of people continuously, as he does – we have concerns about people being able to exit the facility properly in case there is a fire," Hill told Fox News Radio. "It came down to zoning and proper permitting."

The battle between Salman and the city of Phoenix is a longstanding feud. Hill said that Salman's neighbors complained of the gatherings back in 2007 because they were causing too much traffic congestion. Originally, about 15 people would attent the Bible studies, Fox News Radio reported.

But that number began to grow, and that's when Phoenix officials sent Salman a letter saying that his living room gatherings were in violation of the city's building codes.

When he didn't stop hosting the groups, the Phoenix Fire Department broke up a Good Friday gathering Salman was hosting at his home in 2008 in which there were as many as 20 people in the backyard.

Salman then decided to construct a 2,000-square-foot building in his backyard and move the gatherings there. He said that he applied for and was granted the appropriate permits for the building.

Hill, however, said that the permits Salman received were for converting his garage into a game room.

Finally, in 2009, a dozen cops raided Salman's home and charged him with 67 code violations for hosting the gatherings.

Since then, the courts have sided with the city, saying that Salman was using the building as a church and, therefore, was subject to city zoning laws.

"He built a structure that he said wasn't a church that is, in fact, a church," Hill told Fox News Radio.

"The state is not saying that the Salmans can't run a church or have worship services at the location," read a Jan. 4, 2010, Arizona court ruling. "But the state is saying that if they do so, they must do it properly and in accord with fire and zoning laws."

Salman doesn't buy the court's argument and has claimed that Phoenix officials are discriminating against him for his religious beliefs.

"If I had people coming to my home on a regular basis for poker night or Monday Night Football, it would be permitted," he told Fox News Radio. "But when someone says to us we are not allowed to gather because of religious purposes – that is when you have discrimination."

Salman's attorney is appealing the ruling and Salman's sentencing, but unless a federal court intervenes, Salman will begin serving his sentence on July 9.

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  • Wolf 2012/07/08 09:22:52
    should they be able to have a bible study in home
    Wolf
    +5
    The is totally absurd ...only a fine is possible for violating a neighborhood limit of holding meetings and gatherings of a certain size or running a commercial business...jail time is totally ridiculous...

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  • Flintastic 2012/11/27 22:21:05
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    Flintastic
    Anyone hosting too many people in their residence is in violation of city code. The zoning is in place for safety reasons. If there'd been a fire and someone had died, he would have been held accountable for his breaking zoning and also culpable for the lives lost by their families. He built a building specifically dedicated to worship: a church. Once again, against zoning. He had it coming.
  • Che Guevara - Hero 2012/07/27 23:58:43
    i say
    Che Guevara - Hero
    If he was teaching the Bible he should have also been charged with fraud. lol
  • Brosia 2012/07/27 23:43:11
  • Tasine 2012/07/12 14:00:40
    i say
    Tasine
    +1
    I say it is way past time to throw some judges in jail for gross, GROSS incompetence. Preferably the key will be thrown away.

    FORCE wins over FREEDOM again! Getting to be an hourly occurrence. When people refuse to do what you want them to do, write a law that forces them to do what you want them to do, and then jail them when they go ahead and practice their God-given freedom. That's the America of today. It once was the Russia of the day.
  • ☆Hitler was a community org... 2012/07/12 13:28:52
    should they be able to have a bible study in home
    ☆Hitler was a community organiz☆
    +2
    and the 21st century holocaust begins
  • ☆ QueenAline 2012/07/11 00:23:42
    should they be able to have a bible study in home
    ☆ QueenAline
    +2
    YES they should be able to have a bible study in the privacy of their private property home....this is government gone wild folks....absurd.,...when is enough, enough?
  • Ashley 2012/07/10 12:12:36
    i say
    Ashley
    +3
    this is wrong.
  • ACE 2012/07/10 00:04:00
    should they be able to have a bible study in home
    ACE
    +3
    what he does in his home is his business.
  • Heat Her 2012/07/09 19:19:29
    should they be able to have a bible study in home
    Heat Her
    +4
    20 People in the backyard? That's my house every weekend since I bought my house! But I don't have a bible...I have a pool so maybe that's why I don't get bothered
  • Racefish 2012/07/09 15:01:59
    i say
    Racefish
    +1
    Even a free standing church building has to comply with fire and zoning laws. I think he's just being bull-headed.
    As to whether jail time is appropriate, I'm not an Arizona attorney so I can't say.
  • Herb Racefish 2012/07/09 19:37:25
    Herb
    +2
    what about pool party or bbq or foorball party every weekend?
  • Racefish Herb 2012/07/09 22:34:29
    Racefish
    Depends on the number of people and the number of complaints from the neighbors.
  • ☆ Queen... Racefish 2012/07/11 00:26:36
    ☆ QueenAline
    +2
    so it's ok for the government now to tell you how many guests you can have in your home? Please......I doubt these people are partying and rowdy
  • Racefish ☆ Queen... 2012/07/11 16:19:38
    Racefish
    Shhhhh. They'll find out.
    Events held one or two times a year won't even draw any attention. However, if there are events held weekly that disrupt parking and mobility in the neighborhood, that would. It's the consistent activity you have to be concerned with.
    Even having four or five cars at a single location weekly isn't much, but this guy seems to have drawn quite a crowd.
  • Tasine Racefish 2012/07/12 14:04:56
    Tasine
    +1
    "this guy seems to have drawn quite a crowd." And THAT is a danger sign to people who want to run the lives of others. That group was probably put on a terror watch list. Enough control is enough!! This is over the top and should be overturned ASAP.
  • Racefish Tasine 2012/07/12 20:38:47
    Racefish
    When you own a house in a quiet neighborhood, you'd expect it to stay that way. That's why zoning laws exist. They protect the other home owners from those who would take advantage of a situation or refuse to comply for their own reasons. I would think you'd be offended if someone opened a bar in a house next to you. This wouldn't be any different.
    You have to look at rights of the other people in the neighborhood. It's not an attack on religion.
  • Herb Racefish 2012/07/12 20:45:53
    Herb
    +1
    in my city they dont require it of course we have a big road and 12,200 people to. plus a lot of churches my city would not do what this city did.
  • Racefish Herb 2012/07/12 21:07:32
    Racefish
    Phoenix is 1,445,632 plus or minus a few. Atlanta is more than that. . Our city is over 400,000 in the Metro area. With cities and metropolitan areas getting so huge, the infringement of some on others gets a little strained. Fights between neighbors sometimes become deadly.
  • Tasine Racefish 2012/07/13 13:21:00
    Tasine
    People have "rights" that visitors cannot use the road? Who owns the road? People have rights to dictate to others' guests if those guests are not noisy or strewing trash over the neighborhood? Exactly what "RIGHTS" do you refer to? Do you understand what "rights" are? Rights are not specific wishes.

    If a homeowner does not have the "right" to have legal guests in his home whenever he chooses, then he doesn't live in MY America, but in some dictatorial country. I believe this man's own basic right spelled out in the 4th Amendment to the Constitution has been denied him and I believe he has a legal case against the court.
  • Racefish Tasine 2012/07/13 17:08:33
    Racefish
    All guests may be "legal". However, when the number of guests interferes with the rights of the other homeowners, someone has to change. My guess would be the one have the gatherings.
  • Tasine Racefish 2012/07/13 18:00:59
    Tasine
    I ask again, WHAT rights? And how do they acquire these "rights"?
  • Racefish Tasine 2012/07/15 15:47:15
    Racefish
    Everyone else who owns or rents in that area has the same property rights. My guess is there was a complaint about too much traffic, noise, or whatever.
  • ☆ Queen... Racefish 2012/07/11 00:25:39
    ☆ QueenAline
    +1
    NO....this is the mans PRIVATE PROPERTY...when is the govt going to get the hell out of our lives? what will it take? enough is enough..this is insanity
  • Racefish ☆ Queen... 2012/07/11 16:20:57
    Racefish
    It's private property unless that activity infringes on his neighbors. You wouldn't want to have a crack house or a cooker in your 'hood would you?
  • Tasine Racefish 2012/07/13 13:22:34
    Tasine
    Define "infringes" as you know it, please.
  • Racefish Tasine 2012/07/13 17:18:21
    Racefish
    Simply stated, it is activity which prevents or hinders other property owners from using their property as they are want to do.
    It would be a simple thing just to let this guy go ahead and do his thing, but when it comes to the point of overcrowding of the premises, blocking the roads, creating a situation where a danger could develop, there must be a limit.
    The questions I have are if the guy had sufficient insurance to cover medical and liability bills if someone were injured, or killed on the property. Wouldn't you think that would be a huge consideration for those who attended? Were there enough safety measures taken as in fire prevention, such as extinguishers and sprinklers?
    The question becomes the safety of the attendees, and not whether the guy has the "right" to do this. That is why zoning ordinances were put in place originally. They are for the protection of the patron/customer/member, etc.
  • Tasine Racefish 2012/07/13 18:07:21
    Tasine
    "when it comes to the point of overcrowding of the premises, blocking the roads, creating a situation where a danger could develop, there must be a limit."

    Did these things happen? Were roads BLOCKED? Were driveways BLOCKED? If not, why mention it?

    Do your visitors know how much homeowners insurance YOU carry?

    Exactly how much mucking up people's lives does the left actually want? The left is like an ant hill, filled with little bugs getting into everyone's food, toilets, bedrooms, closets, vehicles, dog houses, etc. Do you consider NOTHING sacred? Some of us are more individual oriented than government oriented, thank God.
  • Racefish Tasine 2012/07/15 15:49:52
    Racefish
    We have no idea since it wasn't in the original story. All I'm saying is sometimes an individuals rights cease when they interfere with others of equal standing. That has nothing to do with Left or Right. It has to do with respect for everyone else.
  • Herb Racefish 2012/07/13 18:08:53
    Herb
    +1
    what happen if you wanted a family reunion and bbq at your house. think those ordinaces are great now
  • Racefish Herb 2012/07/15 15:50:49 (edited)
    Racefish
    It wouldn't be a problem since it would only be a once off deal. This guy was supposedly doing this on a routine basis.
    By the way, got any good recipes for a dry rub? I have Baby Backs in the freezer our group is going to enjoy. No lone Star unless you want to bring some up.
  • Herb Racefish 2012/07/15 21:42:57 (edited)
    Herb
    lol love my bud light platium lol lone star is good its pearl that sux lol.
  • Racefish Herb 2012/07/17 16:26:29
    Racefish
    Pearl is made from polluted Mississippi river water. Nasty.
  • Herb Racefish 2012/07/18 03:56:07
    Herb
    i know right lol our texas bbq is good to i love to bbq and my beer chili is to die for.
  • Racefish Herb 2012/07/18 19:05:17
    Racefish
    Damm. Now I'm slobbering on my keyboard.
  • Herb Racefish 2012/07/18 19:13:42 (edited)
    Herb
    have you ever been to tx i live out by galveston Oh I'm part cajun so i cook cajun food to.
  • BoomLover ☆ Queen... 2012/07/12 14:51:41
    BoomLover
    +1
    Google "FEMA Executive Orders", and see just how much the government can and will control your lives...
  • ☆ Queen... BoomLover 2012/07/12 15:16:14
    ☆ QueenAline
    +2
    that's why we must vote this fraud out of office....and get back to constitutional principles...Under the Constitution...we are a free people, with rights, that big brother wants to take away
  • BoomLover ☆ Queen... 2012/07/15 15:04:27
    BoomLover
    +1
    Thank you!
  • Katherine 2012/07/08 17:41:26
    i say
    Katherine
    If they are actually concerned about Health and Safety in the event of a fire. Then I believe the decision that was made is fair.

    \v/
  • ☆ Queen... Katherine 2012/07/11 00:27:42
    ☆ QueenAline
    +2
    is none of the governments business when it comes to YOUR private property...what is it about PRIVATE, don't they understand?

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