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  • melissa 2013/01/09 12:37:22
    No don't think so
    melissa
    +8
    Unless we end the conflicts we're in, the military budget should not be cut.

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  • Patti The Yes Fan 2013/01/26 15:06:26
    None of the above
    Patti  The Yes Fan
    Lets see, the military gets a paycheck far above what they can get from welfare even thou welfare recipients have to go to career central for forty hours a week even if their only getting $200 a mos. (Close to China wages) A retired general's retirement is around ten grand a mos. Does that need to be cut? Yes. They certainly do NOT need to have such a large retirement at OUR expense. Nor should a politician get so much. I know a SGT that makes four grand a mos who is retired so a general may get more than that even. Why are they getting so much when its the soldier who risks his life? Pentagon spending needs to be greatly reduced. Like the government contracting wages paid. That's insane. My nephew makes as much as the president.

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  • BlytheSpirit~bn0 2013/01/18 07:55:15
    Yes for sure
    BlytheSpirit~bn0
    +1
    The defense budget is the most bloated and atrocious thing out there. It's insane that anyone would defend the waste that goes on everywhere. The military IS welfare at it's best. The military can shop at the commissary while the rest of us have to support them AND pay full price at our local markets and stores. The military are offered discounts on everything from rentals to dining out while the rest of us not only pay their salaries, but also pay full price when we go out. When I lived in Colorado Springs, you couldn't go anywhere without being asked if you were active military. If you were you were automatically accorded a reduced price. If not, well you got to pay for yourself, (no doubt with a surcharge to cover the military personnel). I know this will draw heat, but the people in the military applied for and accepted that job the exact same that I applied for and accepted my job. They get paid a salary and even the lowest of the low are paid more than I am. I resent their sense of entitlement for doing a job they accepted voluntarily.
  • Beccy 2013/01/17 01:07:39
    Yes for sure
    Beccy
    +2
    Add that to the bribes we give to our enemies to make them our friends.
  • tinhat 2013/01/15 16:15:40
    I have no opinion.
    tinhat
    No lets buy more tanks tank tank
  • Matt M 2013/01/11 05:51:41
    No don't think so
    Matt  M
    No. The military is not simliar to welfare. It is a necessary tool of foriegn policy.
  • aherbert 2013/01/11 04:31:32
    None of the above
    aherbert
    Interesting ... I have to think about that question ...
  • User Deactivated 2013/01/10 21:25:47
    No don't think so
    User Deactivated
    The graph is misleading in relation to the question. Welfare and food stamps are mandated by law and are therefore considered mandatory spending. The military budget is considered discretionary spending.
  • Samantha 2013/01/10 16:13:57
    Yes for sure
    Samantha
    +2
    The war budget must be cut by at least 1/2. Even then, we'd be spending more money than most other countries combined. The current U.S. war budget has nothing to do with defense; it's related to maintaining the U.S. empire.
  • WankerBait 2013/01/10 14:32:12
    Yes for sure
    WankerBait
    +2
    The US defense, and military budgets must be scaled back...
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  • DuncanONeil 2013/01/10 03:23:30
    None of the above
    DuncanONeil
    Military is the costliest. The social programs are!

    Defense is 24% of budget, While health care, education, pensions, & welfare are 62%. And rising!
  • David H... DuncanO... 2013/01/18 08:13:18
  • DuncanO... David H... 2013/01/18 16:54:36
    DuncanONeil
    Really!? Tell me then, how do the people "pay for their entitlements". Entitlements are paid from taxes, there is no bank account with anyone's name on it.

    "And lets not forget that the only time in a half century, despite the trillions of wasted investment,"

    Response - Get little bit of insight there. So explain to me how the money spent on cops is not wasted since they only clean up after the crime is completed. Then there is the trillions spent to eliminate poverty, which appears to have done nothing but increase poverty.

    Cutting the military to $70 billion will not solve the Governments spending problems.
    The best thuing would be for the Government to get completely out of the areas where they have no authority and cut every thing that is left by 10%. EVERYTHING!

    Here is alist that will balance the budget in one year;
    "Defense cut by 2/3: $475 billion (Federal Budget, pg. 58)
    Medicare/Medicaid*: $441 billion (Cato Institute)
    Social Security Means Testing: $170 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate Dept. of Education (includes Pell Grants): $106.9 billion (Cato Institute)
    Social Security*: $85.7 billion (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate Dept. of Transportation: $84.8 billion (Cato Institute)
    Tax Amnesty: $80 billion (Rep. Jared Polis D-Co.)
    Eliminate Dept. of Labor*: $78.6 billion (Depar...


































    Really!? Tell me then, how do the people "pay for their entitlements". Entitlements are paid from taxes, there is no bank account with anyone's name on it.

    "And lets not forget that the only time in a half century, despite the trillions of wasted investment,"

    Response - Get little bit of insight there. So explain to me how the money spent on cops is not wasted since they only clean up after the crime is completed. Then there is the trillions spent to eliminate poverty, which appears to have done nothing but increase poverty.

    Cutting the military to $70 billion will not solve the Governments spending problems.
    The best thuing would be for the Government to get completely out of the areas where they have no authority and cut every thing that is left by 10%. EVERYTHING!

    Here is alist that will balance the budget in one year;
    "Defense cut by 2/3: $475 billion (Federal Budget, pg. 58)
    Medicare/Medicaid*: $441 billion (Cato Institute)
    Social Security Means Testing: $170 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate Dept. of Education (includes Pell Grants): $106.9 billion (Cato Institute)
    Social Security*: $85.7 billion (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate Dept. of Transportation: $84.8 billion (Cato Institute)
    Tax Amnesty: $80 billion (Rep. Jared Polis D-Co.)
    Eliminate Dept. of Labor*: $78.6 billion (Department of Labor and White House)
    Eliminate HUD: $60.8 billion (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate Dept. of Agriculture*: $33 billion (Cato Institute)
    Cut civilian employee compensation: $30 billion (Cato Institute)
    Stop maintaining vacant federal property: $25 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate Foreign Aid: $21.2 billion (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate Dept. of Energy*: $20.8 billion (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate NASA: $19.6 billion (Cato Institute)
    Federal Drug War: $15 billion (White House)
    Earmark moratorium: $16 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate Fannie/Freddie Subsidies: $14 billion (Federal Housing Finance Agency (p. 10))
    Eliminate Dept. of Commerce: $13.9 billion (Department of Commerce)
    Eliminate Dept. of Interior: $12 billion (White House)
    Legalize Pot, Online gambling, Immigrants: $12 billion (Rep. Jared Polis D-Co.)
    Privatize Army Corps of Engineers: $10.6 billion (Cato Institute)
    Cut federal employee travel budget: $10 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate National Science Foundation: $7.4 billion (National Science Foundation)
    End EPA’s State and Local grants: $6.5 billion (Cato Institute)
    Repeal Davis-Bacon: $6 billion (Republican Study Committee)
    Privatize TSA: $5.7 billion (Federal Budget)
    Cut Dept. of Justice’s State and Local grants: $5 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Privatize Post Office: $4 billion (White House)
    Eliminate Small Business Administration: $1.8 billion (Small Business Administration)
    Lease coastal plain of ANWR: $1.5 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate Federal Flood Insurance: $1.3 billion (CBO, pg. 3)
    Abolish SEC: $1.3 billion (SEC)
    Eliminate Corporation for National Community Service: $1 billion (Cato Institute)
    Suspend acquisition of federal office space: $1 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    End subsidies for public broadcasting: $500 million (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corp: $480 million (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate the FCC: $439 million (FCC)
    Eliminate the Endowments for Arts/Humanities: $332 million (NEA/NEH)
    Total Cut: $1,882,619,000,000
    Current deficit: $1,645,000,000,000
    Surplus Achieved: $237,619,000,000
    (Research by Maxim Lott and Charles Couger.)"
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  • dallasjoe DuncanO... 2013/01/18 17:44:53
    dallasjoe
    +1
    Also elimate NASA FBI CIA the later two do not have a CLUE
  • David H... DuncanO... 2013/01/18 19:45:48
  • DuncanO... David H... 2013/01/20 16:22:34
    DuncanONeil
    "Social Security is paid out from a fund that is entirely money that workers have paid into."

    Response - SS is in fact a tax to fund a benefit program. There is no fund and none of the money paid into SS belong to any individual! Medicare is also a tax to fund a benefit program

    "To say that people have not paid for these things"

    Response - While it may be true that people have paid the SS tax, they don't have any vested interest in the monies.

    "Certainly cutting the military to $70 billion will not solve the Governments spending problems, but neither will you be one iota less secure for it."

    Response - This level of funding will not even cover the current expenditures for veterans ($135.2 billion)!

    "Social Security is one, buy all means change how it is structured in what is drawn from workers and what they can expect to receive from their contributions"

    Response - SS needs to be structured along the lines of a 401k or a Roth plan! Nothing less will be effective.
  • dallasjoe DuncanO... 2013/01/18 16:50:17
    dallasjoe
    The Health Care Costs are going up the Medical Industry is the only one where you can screw up and not have to worry about you bury your Mistakes. If Pensions you include SS people pay into that unlike Government and Military Pensions.
  • DuncanO... dallasjoe 2013/01/20 16:23:13
    DuncanONeil
    SS is not a pension but a Governemnt benefit paid from taxes.
  • dallasjoe DuncanO... 2013/01/24 16:09:21
    dallasjoe
    +1
    SS is paid by taxes that were suppose to be Segrated from General Funds.The Money for SS cames from the FICA contributions you pay. You know that under SS if you work and you make a certain ammount you lose a portion of benefits. Do they do the same for Government workers.
  • DuncanO... dallasjoe 2013/01/26 15:01:01 (edited)
    DuncanONeil
    Even in the original SS act there was no requirement to segragate the funds. In fact they were directed to be paid to the Congress.

    "You know that under SS if you work and you make a certain ammount you lose a portion of benefits."

    Response - That is not precisely true. Above a certain level of income, below a certain age "benefits are reduced". However the contibutions made during said employment result in an increased benefit paid from SS.

    It's still not your money!

    "Do they do the same for Government workers."

    Response - Hell yeah! They cut their benefit by nearly 50%! PERMANENTLY!
  • dallasjoe DuncanO... 2013/01/26 17:10:13
    dallasjoe
    NO they do not My father use to work at Raytheon. He would see an Air Force officer on a Friday, supervisoring a Project in his Blue Suit, and on Monday the same guy would be there in a Civilian Blue Suit as VP of the Projects at 120k. This is why thinks like the V 22 Osprey costs 100 Milllion a copy. V 22 can not carry as much as planned nor go as far, A Boeing 737 -800 goes for 90 Million or so. That is for a Jet that is Pressurized
  • DuncanO... dallasjoe 2013/01/27 18:05:28
    DuncanONeil
    "He would see an Air Force officer on a Friday, supervisoring a Project in his Blue Suit, and on Monday the same guy would be there in a Civilian Blue Suit as VP of the Projects at 120k."

    Response - That is not even remotely related to the question you asked!
  • dallasjoe DuncanO... 2013/01/29 19:20:58
    dallasjoe
    Yeah it is We support the Military Industrial Complex We should end like 90% of the Complex We would have a stroner Economy if we had a Consumer based Manufacting Base
  • DuncanO... dallasjoe 2013/01/29 20:20:36
    DuncanONeil
    Now you are standing out in left field.

    Perhaps it would be best to leave you there!
  • dallasjoe DuncanO... 2013/01/31 02:38:29
    dallasjoe
    OK you support the waste do not cry about the Debt We are not Protecting America in the Persian/Arabian Gulf
  • DuncanO... dallasjoe 2013/01/31 16:38:11
    DuncanONeil
    Support waste? Your out of your mind!
    One can not cry about the debt while supporting the deficit, a symptom of out of control spending by Congress!

    Here is a list of some things I support;
    "a list that would completely balance the budget:
    Defense cut by 2/3: $475 billion (Federal Budget, pg. 58)
    Medicare/Medicaid*: $441 billion (Cato Institute)
    Social Security Means Testing: $170 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate Dept. of Education (includes Pell Grants): $106.9 billion (Cato Institute)
    Social Security*: $85.7 billion (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate Dept. of Transportation: $84.8 billion (Cato Institute)
    Tax Amnesty: $80 billion (Rep. Jared Polis D-Co.)
    Eliminate Dept. of Labor*: $78.6 billion (Department of Labor and White House)
    Eliminate HUD: $60.8 billion (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate Dept. of Agriculture*: $33 billion (Cato Institute)
    Cut civilian employee compensation: $30 billion (Cato Institute)
    Stop maintaining vacant federal property: $25 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate Foreign Aid: $21.2 billion (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate Dept. of Energy*: $20.8 billion (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate NASA: $19.6 billion (Cato Institute)
    Federal Drug War: $15 billion (White House)
    Earmark moratorium: $16 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate Fannie/Freddie Subsidies: $14 billion (Federal Housing Fi...



























    Support waste? Your out of your mind!
    One can not cry about the debt while supporting the deficit, a symptom of out of control spending by Congress!

    Here is a list of some things I support;
    "a list that would completely balance the budget:
    Defense cut by 2/3: $475 billion (Federal Budget, pg. 58)
    Medicare/Medicaid*: $441 billion (Cato Institute)
    Social Security Means Testing: $170 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate Dept. of Education (includes Pell Grants): $106.9 billion (Cato Institute)
    Social Security*: $85.7 billion (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate Dept. of Transportation: $84.8 billion (Cato Institute)
    Tax Amnesty: $80 billion (Rep. Jared Polis D-Co.)
    Eliminate Dept. of Labor*: $78.6 billion (Department of Labor and White House)
    Eliminate HUD: $60.8 billion (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate Dept. of Agriculture*: $33 billion (Cato Institute)
    Cut civilian employee compensation: $30 billion (Cato Institute)
    Stop maintaining vacant federal property: $25 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate Foreign Aid: $21.2 billion (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate Dept. of Energy*: $20.8 billion (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate NASA: $19.6 billion (Cato Institute)
    Federal Drug War: $15 billion (White House)
    Earmark moratorium: $16 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate Fannie/Freddie Subsidies: $14 billion (Federal Housing Finance Agency (p. 10))
    Eliminate Dept. of Commerce: $13.9 billion (Department of Commerce)
    Eliminate Dept. of Interior: $12 billion (White House)
    Legalize Pot, Online gambling, Immigrants: $12 billion (Rep. Jared Polis D-Co.)
    Privatize Army Corps of Engineers: $10.6 billion (Cato Institute)
    Cut federal employee travel budget: $10 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate National Science Foundation: $7.4 billion (National Science Foundation)
    End EPA’s State and Local grants: $6.5 billion (Cato Institute)
    Repeal Davis-Bacon: $6 billion (Republican Study Committee)
    Privatize TSA: $5.7 billion (Federal Budget)
    Cut Dept. of Justice’s State and Local grants: $5 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Privatize Post Office: $4 billion (White House)
    Eliminate Small Business Administration: $1.8 billion (Small Business Administration)
    Lease coastal plain of ANWR: $1.5 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate Federal Flood Insurance: $1.3 billion (CBO, pg. 3)
    Abolish SEC: $1.3 billion (SEC)
    Eliminate Corporation for National Community Service: $1 billion (Cato Institute)
    Suspend acquisition of federal office space: $1 billion (Heritage Foundation)
    End subsidies for public broadcasting: $500 million (Cato Institute)
    Eliminate the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corp: $480 million (Heritage Foundation)
    Eliminate the FCC: $439 million (FCC)
    Eliminate the Endowments for Arts/Humanities: $332 million (NEA/NEH)
    Total Cut: $1,882,619,000,000
    Current deficit: $1,645,000,000,000
    Surplus Achieved: $237,619,000,000
    (Research by Maxim Lott and Charles Couger.)"

    Are we only allowed to "protect America" by protecting ONLY the physical entity of America?
    There is such a thing as the "interests of the US". These would require some protecting as well. Unless, in the most egregious threat, you want to allow terrorists free reign in the rest of the world. Until we are the only place free of them and under direct attack.
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  • dallasjoe DuncanO... 2013/02/02 19:52:45
    dallasjoe
    Agree with 90% of it but Social Security is a seperate tax and should be segerated from the Budget
  • DuncanO... dallasjoe 2013/02/03 18:10:40
    DuncanONeil
    But it isn't, never has been. Wasn't even planned that way!

    But if you think that SS is a good thing and should hang around for later generations it needs to become something more like a 401k program. That way it REALLY does belong to the person contributing the money.
  • dallasjoe DuncanO... 2013/02/07 06:18:51
    dallasjoe
    that would have worked well in 2008 IRA started out as an Individual account quickly changed when it looked like workers would actually buy companies. Ever wonder how all those Shares that say Fidelity owns in GM are voted. Not in the interests of the 401K holders
  • DuncanO... dallasjoe 2013/02/07 17:24:37
    DuncanONeil
    Such a plan for SSA would still be better than what currently exists!
  • dallasjoe DuncanO... 2013/02/12 17:48:00
    dallasjoe
    Ok if we had gone into that in 2002 where would we have been in 2008 Mitt and his "brothers" the vultures would have walked away with a Fortune
  • DuncanO... dallasjoe 2013/02/13 00:55:17
    DuncanONeil
    No!
    Those that opted for that plan would be better off than they would be under SSA.
    Besides anyone within five years of retirement would not be well served to make the change!
  • dallasjoe DuncanO... 2013/02/16 17:03:43
    dallasjoe
    NO they would not look at the Pension plans for Government workers they lost BILLIONS in 2008 and the local Taxpayers are making up the Difference
  • DuncanO... dallasjoe 2013/02/17 16:35:52
    DuncanONeil
    This is a complete non sequitur to the comment I posted.
    Try again!
  • dallasjoe DuncanO... 2013/02/17 19:35:27
    dallasjoe
    you wanted Wall Street Casino to play Roulette with SSA and Medicare
  • Jim 2013/01/10 01:18:27 (edited)
    Yes for sure
    Jim
    +3
    While it is true our Armed Forces exist only to carry out Imperial crime, it is more important to realize that the banksters employ the U.S.A. as their global thug and enforcer. If we fail to carry out their agenda, then we don't get paid as a nation.

    You have to go back to the early 80's. The banksters were financing both the Soviets and the U.S. to see who would bring globalist tyranny to the world. The USSR was coming unglued and Ronald Reagan proposed that, if the banksters would hire the U.S. and fire the USSR, we could deliver the world into the bloody maw of the banksters where the Russians had failed.

    The banksters advanced Reagan the credit to build up the Arsenal of Capitalist Imperialism. When we were ready, the banksters pulled the plug on the Soviet Union and they went belly up. Gorbachev and Yeltsin were the worst kind of traitors and helped the West rob and steal from the Russian people and loot the miserable Soviet estate. Bush Sr. announced the New World Order on September 11, 1990. Exactly 11 years before the great Inside Job, a.k.a. 9/11. "Eleven" (11) is a very important occult number to the Elites.

    As long as we are stealing, killing, and destroying, the banksters continue to finance our massive debt. The Faustian deal made back in the early 80's has...

    While it is true our Armed Forces exist only to carry out Imperial crime, it is more important to realize that the banksters employ the U.S.A. as their global thug and enforcer. If we fail to carry out their agenda, then we don't get paid as a nation.

    You have to go back to the early 80's. The banksters were financing both the Soviets and the U.S. to see who would bring globalist tyranny to the world. The USSR was coming unglued and Ronald Reagan proposed that, if the banksters would hire the U.S. and fire the USSR, we could deliver the world into the bloody maw of the banksters where the Russians had failed.

    The banksters advanced Reagan the credit to build up the Arsenal of Capitalist Imperialism. When we were ready, the banksters pulled the plug on the Soviet Union and they went belly up. Gorbachev and Yeltsin were the worst kind of traitors and helped the West rob and steal from the Russian people and loot the miserable Soviet estate. Bush Sr. announced the New World Order on September 11, 1990. Exactly 11 years before the great Inside Job, a.k.a. 9/11. "Eleven" (11) is a very important occult number to the Elites.

    As long as we are stealing, killing, and destroying, the banksters continue to finance our massive debt. The Faustian deal made back in the early 80's has now come due! The banksters are upset that they have sacrificed the entire world's credit to us and we STILL haven't delivered the world to them. Either We The Slaves are sacrificed or, we accelerate our wars and step up bringing stolen foreign assets to our masters.

    The only cure is to KILL ALL THE BANKSTERS and the Power Elites, imprison associates who enabled them, and nationalize the Fed. With the elite cancer cut out and cauterized, our Imperial Military will have no authority to do anything. If they don't have an Elite to work for, then the U.S. doesn't get paid. The U.S.A. will collapse completely and revert back to the 50 states. Better for the U.S.A. to die than to suffer global slavery to the Top 0.1%
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  • dallasjoe Jim 2013/01/26 17:11:35
    dallasjoe
    +1
    33 is also a big number to the NEO CONS and Masons 11 on each side of the Triangle
  • Jim dallasjoe 2013/01/26 18:31:03
    Jim
    I'll be damned. You're right! How did I miss that???
  • Srztanjur 2013/01/10 00:08:30
    None of the above
    Srztanjur
    It's not exactly like welfare, but it should be cut.
  • Zepland 2013/01/09 22:50:46
    No don't think so
    Zepland
    America needs and absolutely must maintain a strong defense.
    The military is in no way similar to welfare. US citizens are paid for the jobs they fill in the military.

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