Isn't Sarah Palin the exact type of woman the radical women of the 1970s feminist movement were envisioning the ideal woman to be? What happened?
Simmering Frog
2009/09/12 21:50:19
Independent
Career oriented
Strong
A leader
A mother
Opinionated
Wow, what went wrong? Suddenly these are characteristics the radical fems find threatening. Why?
Career oriented
Strong
A leader
A mother
Opinionated
Wow, what went wrong? Suddenly these are characteristics the radical fems find threatening. Why?
I would think you would have been concerned in Hillary Clinton became President. I sure was.
Hillary is much closer to being aligned with my political beliefs, and you can't discount her previous experience - you see how tired Obama is? Indicates that his plate is more full than he expected it to be. Leaving out the fact that Bush left the economy and job market in smoking ruins and two unfinished and un-winnable wars up and running, at least Hillary has gotten a damn good look at that plate before.
I mean, if Palin had made just ONE reasonable assertion, it'd be different, but she didn't, and the most intelligent things she said have consistently turned out to be lies, much less some of the more idiotic things.
A threat? Only behind the wheel.
Am I enamored by her? No. Are you with President Obama?
Un-win-able wars? Would you rather the terrorist keep killing us here on our soil or go after them on theirs? Bill Clinton turned a blind eye when the twin towers were attacked the first time. He let more Americans die in vain also when the battle ship Cole was attacked. I have yet to see a president leave the country in perfect condition. They all have their flaws. That is why we hear all these campaign promises on how they are going to fix Americas woes. Yet when the next election approaches we here more promises on how this person plans to fix the problems.
Of course I'm not "enamored" with Obama - I like the fact that he's intelligent, though, where Palin seems idiotic and McCain seemed entirely out of his depth with respect to the economic collapse that occurred while they were on the campaign trail.
Here's the deal with "un-winnable wars" - we have no proof that we are going after the right people, we never got Bin Laden, we've started civil wars between different factions of people who we can't actually tell apart and we've chosen a battleground where we fought a proxy war with Russia off and on for two decades - if Russia couldn't win a war in their own backyard, what makes us think that we could beat the same people on the same battleground when it's half a world away?
As for Clinton, I think that "blind eye" is a misnomer - he had numerous installations in Afghanistan targeted and destroyed, he just chose not to make the mistake of sending troops in, and he didn't create a trend whereby a side effect of engaging the enemy is an ever-growing number of enemies. Had he started a war that was intractable a decade later, many of you people would be decrying the fact that he's squandered our military might on a grudge match.
If course, because you do not hold the same political views.
With the technology we have these days and intelligence I doubt there was no grounds to go where we did. You have to have facts and grounds to do what they did. To spend money and risk lives on a goose chase? come on....
The media trumpeted our every move. It is no wonder they knew when we were coming and such. Only an idiot would not get ready and hide anything they didn't want found.
The terrorists were our enemies before 9/11. The terrorists are not going to start loving us just because we turned our heads the other way hoping we do not strike back.
No. She's an idiot. Understand me plainly. It's not about political viewpoint. I think that she's stupid and not knowledgeable. I didn't realize that Bush was the fool he turned out to be during the 2000 election cycle - when he won, I accepted it, and I didn't whine about Gore, either - my take was that a large number of people suddenly found out the difference between a republic and an actual democracy.
"With the technology we have these days and intelligence I doubt there was no grounds to go where we did. You have to have facts and grounds to do what they did. To spend money and risk lives on a goose chase? come on...."
Please. We both know what your reaction would be if I started talking about WMDs and "why attack Hussein when Bin Laden masterminded it?" - I've been in that endless loop with enough of you people already.
And yes, the media did trumpet every move initially. The problem being that we didn't end up going to the war that was sold to us. Again, I could mention "Cakewalk" and "Mission Accomplished", but you people always get so riled up when someone tries to have that debate with you.
"The terrorists were our enemies before 9/11. The terrorists are not going to start loving us just because we turned our ...
No. She's an idiot. Understand me plainly. It's not about political viewpoint. I think that she's stupid and not knowledgeable. I didn't realize that Bush was the fool he turned out to be during the 2000 election cycle - when he won, I accepted it, and I didn't whine about Gore, either - my take was that a large number of people suddenly found out the difference between a republic and an actual democracy.
"With the technology we have these days and intelligence I doubt there was no grounds to go where we did. You have to have facts and grounds to do what they did. To spend money and risk lives on a goose chase? come on...."
Please. We both know what your reaction would be if I started talking about WMDs and "why attack Hussein when Bin Laden masterminded it?" - I've been in that endless loop with enough of you people already.
And yes, the media did trumpet every move initially. The problem being that we didn't end up going to the war that was sold to us. Again, I could mention "Cakewalk" and "Mission Accomplished", but you people always get so riled up when someone tries to have that debate with you.
"The terrorists were our enemies before 9/11. The terrorists are not going to start loving us just because we turned our heads the other way hoping we do not strike back."
I never said that they would. What I implied is that our actions have resulted in a larger number of them, and by orders of magnitude, than there were total as of 9/11.
Don't get me wrong - I supported the war initially, I'm the liberal who made excuses about Bush for two years of the war, so I bought it hook, line and sinker, obviously. After about two years, I started to doubt, continued listening to the talk about WMDs and all of that, but what swayed my opinion was learning that there was ZERO military support for these wars. The people who made the decision to go uniformly had NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE and they disregarded what they were told by those who did. More than anything else, this caused me to see that my initial position was in error, and I've had six years now to become more and more certain that the opposite position was in fact the correct one.
Some people learn from mistakes, even if it involves admitting being incorrect in the past. Some people buy propaganda. Which type of person are you?
Not me. And you?
You do not know Sarah Palin to judge her so harshly....unless you go by the liberal medias opinion. I know she had some slip of the tongue but who hasn't? Casting stones at people for things we have done too is VERY judgmental.
Remember...Rome wasn't conquered in a day.
President Bush apologized for mistakes he made. I know the man is not perfect. No one is. I wouldn't call President Obama the better of two evils either. His views are scary.
"Cakewalk" and "Mission Accomplished" Shouldn't have been used until the war was over. I sure wouldn't call this war a "cakewalk."
"why attack Hussein when Bin Laden masterminded it?"
Paper trail my friend. Follow the leads. The technology of today helps too.
I do pray when all is said and done America is still a land of the free and a Republic...in more than just words too.
with love and respect,
Jules
I have an issue with your wording - I don't really know what the MSM thinks about Palin, as I don't consume much in the way of it, discounting Fox News. The woman seems inarticulate and lacking in knowledge, I got that impression from her speeches and appearances - her campaign speeches are what turned me off, primarily - she came off like a beauty pageant contestant.
"President Bush apologized for mistakes he made. I know the man is not perfect. No one is. I wouldn't call President Obama the better of two evils either. His views are scary. "
If you believe what Fox News says, sure. Out in the real world? Not so much. Scary to corporations and other career politicians, maybe.
""Cakewalk" and "Mission Accomplished" Shouldn't have been used until the war was over. I sure wouldn't call this war a "cakewalk.""
They said that it would be a cakewalk before we went in. I bought it. As for Saddam Hussein, yeah there is a paper trail, it points back to us. NO ONE acknowledges the fact that we installed a puppet and that someone else managed to get their hand inside...
I have an issue with your wording - I don't really know what the MSM thinks about Palin, as I don't consume much in the way of it, discounting Fox News. The woman seems inarticulate and lacking in knowledge, I got that impression from her speeches and appearances - her campaign speeches are what turned me off, primarily - she came off like a beauty pageant contestant.
"President Bush apologized for mistakes he made. I know the man is not perfect. No one is. I wouldn't call President Obama the better of two evils either. His views are scary. "
If you believe what Fox News says, sure. Out in the real world? Not so much. Scary to corporations and other career politicians, maybe.
""Cakewalk" and "Mission Accomplished" Shouldn't have been used until the war was over. I sure wouldn't call this war a "cakewalk.""
They said that it would be a cakewalk before we went in. I bought it. As for Saddam Hussein, yeah there is a paper trail, it points back to us. NO ONE acknowledges the fact that we installed a puppet and that someone else managed to get their hand inside of it. I'd mention crows coming home to roost, but that's racist.
"I do pray when all is said and done America is still a land of the free and a Republic...in more than just words too."
Uh... It's the right that wants to secede, have armed insurrections, reject the result of the political process, et cetera, et cetera - your side is doing it's best to destroy the political foundations of the country, now, even as we speak - we have an entire channel dedicated to convincing the populace that the duly elected president is some sort of impostor and right-wing media personalities who are claiming that the entirety of the democratic party is actually a radical communist faction.
I hope this country survives all that as well, but I'm personally thinking of leaving permanently, mostly as a result of realizing what a large percentage of the population is uneducated, ignorant and so easily led down the garden path to destruction.
Spain sounds cool.
I agree at times Sarah seemed more like a beauty contestant. I had my reservations on her being vice president.
Personally, I think both political parties have a LOT of corruption in them.
"...we have an entire channel dedicated to convincing the populace that the duly elected president is some sort of impostor and right-wing media personalities who are claiming that the entirety of the democratic party is actually a radical communist faction."
I am sure some of the right are saying that. The left is not innocent either. They seem to like calling the conservatives extremists, racists, uneducated, etc...etc...
I would love to see the media just report the facts and leave their political leanings spin out of it but no one seems to be willing to do that.
there's a big difference between Olberman mentioning the number of days since Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" and Sean Hannity just lying outright to an audience that lacks the ability or willingness to verify information for themselves. That's why so many liberals here are so hostile - participating in a lot of the debates here involves having your intelligence assaulted purely as a side effect of people having re-defined words that we all should have learned the proper meanings of in 7th grade.
I see corruption on both sides, but on the right, I see a nihilistic appeal to emotion, coupled with the stoking of irrational fear and hatred compounded by intentional misdirection. I get the fact that people on the right literally want to stone gays to death and that a smiling reporter talking about the latest comedy show that Ellen is putting on is the equivalent of chopping live babies up during dinner hour, I see how they take that as an affront, but on the left side of the media, I see many more lies of omission than the promulgation of outright fal...
there's a big difference between Olberman mentioning the number of days since Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" and Sean Hannity just lying outright to an audience that lacks the ability or willingness to verify information for themselves. That's why so many liberals here are so hostile - participating in a lot of the debates here involves having your intelligence assaulted purely as a side effect of people having re-defined words that we all should have learned the proper meanings of in 7th grade.
I see corruption on both sides, but on the right, I see a nihilistic appeal to emotion, coupled with the stoking of irrational fear and hatred compounded by intentional misdirection. I get the fact that people on the right literally want to stone gays to death and that a smiling reporter talking about the latest comedy show that Ellen is putting on is the equivalent of chopping live babies up during dinner hour, I see how they take that as an affront, but on the left side of the media, I see many more lies of omission than the promulgation of outright falsehoods, as is Fox News' specialty.
As far as calling the right racists and extremists, sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade. And don't get me started on the education thing. "Elitist" is an insult almost continually thrown out by the people here on this site who can't spell their way out of a paper bag.
Hell, they spell it "Elitest".
There is corruption in government everywhere. You can't see the corruption and lies as bad by CNN and MSNBC is because you agree with them.
Both give what they want you to hear or what THEY want you to hear...no fair unbiased reporting. Those days are gone.
You can keep pointing the finger at the right. BUT, remember while you do, the rest of the fingers on your hand are pointing right back.
Sigh. Conversation just about over now - pointless.
"There is corruption in government everywhere. You can't see the corruption and lies as bad by CNN and MSNBC is because you agree with them."
No. It's because they use the dictionary meaning of words, not convenient half meanings. You say democrat and socialist mean the same thing. OBVIOUSLY, then, meaning isn't important to you. Hannity lies DAILY about math. I see his lie repeated here EVERY DAY. There isn't some lie that MSNBC REPEATS EVERY DAY FOR MONTHS ON END. There just is not.
"Both give what they want you to hear or what THEY want you to hear...no fair unbiased reporting. Those days are gone."
i also don't take pundit shows for news. People on the right think that Glenn Beck = Walter Cronkite.
But never mind, skip it. Pointless conversation.
At last we can agree!
All I see in your posts is praise for liberal news and slandering news outlets that you do not agree with. Liberals give facts, all others lie or give half truths. I see your pattern.
What we need to do is get off our duffs and do our own searching. Don't take the media at it's word. If you do you will get your brain filled with a lot of B.S.
Go to many sources to find the facts.
Conversation has been interesting. Take care.
Jules
I watch Fox News almost exclusively.
You can't go by one news source alone.
If I'm not watching Fox News, I lean towards either C-Span or the BBC, but it's much more common for me to just type the topic into google, see what comes back and read a few articles on the topic from different sources - I could just as easily end up reading something from theamericanthinker as theguardianuk, from black interest sites to white supremacy sites - depends on my mood and what information is available from whom.
Fox News I watch pretty avidly, though. It pisses me off, but I watch it anyway - I figure that if people like the ones here are correct, that MSNBC isn't going to tell me anything that I am inclined to disagree with, and I got bored of CNN playing the same few hours of video cyclically years ago. I generally watch Beck, Hannity and O'Reilly three or four times a week, and during the day I might switch over to Fox Business and catch Cavuto. I used to watch Huck every Sunday, but lately I've not seen him, and for whatever reason, I hardly ever see Shep Smith.
She's the typical tool type!