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Is War GOOD for the Economy or BAD for the Economy??!!

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What are the pros and cons? Is war profitable for a country or is it a last resort? I wanna know what you think. Vote right now and tell me why. Leave a comment, share with everyone you know, and RAVE!!
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Is War GOOD for the Economy or BAD for the Economy??!!


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  • CrazyDeen0 2012/06/18 16:18:39
    Bad for the economy
    CrazyDeen0
    +5
    It is bad because it costs way more than we make. Therefore, our government hides the cost of the war through inflation (Printing Money out of thin air) This causes the price of commodities to rise like food, gasoline, etc..but then blame it on the economy or supply and demand., its BS and if Americans would wake up and realize the underlinings of our failed monetary policy things would be a whole lot better really fast. If they made us pay for the war, they would have to raise taxes and therefore the support for their unending wars would come to an abrupt end.

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  • Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum 2012/06/18 16:22:12 (edited)
    Good for the economy
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +2
    It expands the economy and puts people to work, like any other economic stimulus. However, the stimulus is not as effective as other government programs, because the wealth created is used for destructions rather than creating more wealth. It would be better spent on civilian R&D; and infrastructure.
  • SoD Warren ... 2012/06/18 16:48:05
    SoD
    +1
    All stimulus/jobs bills recycle tax revenue at an inherent loss.
  • Warren ... SoD 2012/06/18 17:00:08
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +1
    Not true. If it puts unemployed people to work, it creates wealth that would otherwise not exist, and when effective will generate more tax revenue than it costs, while at the same time reducing government outlays for unemployment benefits.
  • SoD Warren ... 2012/06/18 17:32:55
    SoD
    +2
    You're not thinking clearly.

    Answer these questions.

    Where does said wealth come from?

    Do publicly funded projects actually reduce federal outlays, or do they simply change the agency issuing the check?

    Do you believe there is no bureaucratic overhead involved in such projects?
  • Warren ... SoD 2012/06/18 19:16:26 (edited)
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +1
    Wealth comes from labor. When labor is unemployed, real wealth is destroyed, because the opportunity cost of that labor is gone forever. When labor is gainfully employed, wealth is created.

    Money and financial assets, on the other hand, are not real wealth. They are debt, issued against the economy.

    When the government circulates money, economic activity increases and more wealth is created. Money simply changes hands, but real GDP and wealth increase. Don't confuse money with wealth. Wealth is tangible assets, not banknotes or debts.
  • SoD Warren ... 2012/06/18 19:53:28 (edited)
    SoD
    +1
    Wealth comes not from labor but rather commerce, or in other words being able to supply goods and/or services for which there is a demand. You can build as many widgets as you like. However, if you don't have anyone who wants to buy said widgets, doing so will not result in economic growth of any sort.

    That economic fact doesn't coincide with stimulus/jobs bill appropriations. I'll venture a guess that most people didn't want to fund the bailing out of big banks and GM, or any of the other examples of Fascist economic chicanery over the past several years.
  • Warren ... SoD 2012/06/18 20:00:02
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +1
    Without labor, there is no commerce, period. Yet I can easily generate wealth on my own for my own consumption without any commerce. So your idea of wealth generations fails at the most basic level.
  • SoD Warren ... 2012/06/18 20:53:28
    SoD
    +1
    "Yet I can easily generate wealth on my own for my own consumption without any commerce."

    What you describe is known as subsistence and it is not at all synonymous with wealth in any form.
  • Warren ... SoD 2012/06/18 22:04:53
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +1
    No, your idea fails simple common sense and you are reluctant to admit it.
  • SoD Warren ... 2012/06/18 23:33:26 (edited)
    SoD
    +1
    If you think you can provide for yourself a wealth of everything you desire without participating in commerce, can you show me an example of anyone in recorded history doing that? If not, what makes you so special?

    If you think you can only provide for yourself a wealth of the things you need, you are speaking of subsistence... not wealth.

    PS

    What I speak of is not an idea nor an academic hypothesis. Those shoes fit you better. If you think otherwise, use the very questions I ask at the beginning of this comment to invalidate my premise and I will concede.
  • SoD Warren ... 2012/06/19 17:42:19 (edited)
    SoD
    How is your search for an example of a person who accumulated personal wealth without participating in commerce going?

    Keep me updated please. I would hate to be guilty of forwarding an invalid premise and not even know it. I would also hate for you to cling to your invalid premise just because it's yours. However, your premise is hardly unique or new. It originated in WPA and NRA propaganda in the early 20th century.

    http://bluedelliquanti.blogsp...

    http://www.theretrovert.com/w...

    http://archive.org/details/Na...
  • CrazyDeen0 2012/06/18 16:18:39
    Bad for the economy
    CrazyDeen0
    +5
    It is bad because it costs way more than we make. Therefore, our government hides the cost of the war through inflation (Printing Money out of thin air) This causes the price of commodities to rise like food, gasoline, etc..but then blame it on the economy or supply and demand., its BS and if Americans would wake up and realize the underlinings of our failed monetary policy things would be a whole lot better really fast. If they made us pay for the war, they would have to raise taxes and therefore the support for their unending wars would come to an abrupt end.
  • BlueRep... CrazyDeen0 2012/06/18 16:29:47
    BlueRepublican
    +4
    Exactly. If there was a gasoline war-tax of an extra dollar/gal then Iraq would've been over in less than a year. The people would've demanded it.
  • CrazyDeen0 BlueRep... 2012/06/18 17:46:35
    CrazyDeen0
    +1
    Absolutely
  • Daniel 2012/06/18 16:17:48
    Good for the economy
    Daniel
    +2
    Learned this one in Social Studies. It provides jobs and cuts down the population.
  • CrazyDeen0 Daniel 2012/06/18 16:22:45
    CrazyDeen0
    +7
    No offense, but this is exactly why my kids are home schooled
  • Contard... CrazyDeen0 2012/06/18 16:44:07
  • cuz CrazyDeen0 2012/06/18 18:40:37
    cuz
    +4
    Good for you!
  • Daniel CrazyDeen0 2012/06/18 18:50:41
    Daniel
    +1
    No offense taken, but maybe they need a better teacher. It is a fact that World War I and II pulled us out of our recessions they infact create jobs now many of our latest battles have beenpointless and wasteful a real war's the ticket.
  • CrazyDeen0 Daniel 2012/06/19 12:57:14
    CrazyDeen0
    +1
    Some of that may hold some truth, but the only way to pay for war is to tax relentlessly or to print money out of thin air and drive inflation through the roof. Real economics and the impacts from war on the economy are not tought in any public shool system, and the statement of reducing the population as being a good thing is more of what I was referring to.
  • SoD CrazyDeen0 2012/06/19 13:20:10
    SoD
    +1
    There isn't an ounce of truth to Daniel's proclaimed "facts".

    See my comment above and historical data for what actually occurred.
  • CrazyDeen0 SoD 2012/06/19 14:30:54
    CrazyDeen0
    Let me re-phrase... "Maybe they need a better teacher" That may be true.
  • SoD CrazyDeen0 2012/06/19 17:35:03
    SoD
    +1
    Very modest of you, and I'd expect nothing less from a home-schooler.

    Well done ;)
  • CrazyDeen0 SoD 2012/06/20 14:25:27
    CrazyDeen0
    Lol, well thank you
  • SoD CrazyDeen0 2012/06/20 14:52:18
    SoD
    +1
    My pleasure.

    The only union involved in your education strategy is your family. As a father and husband myself, I know for a fact they will hold you accountable ;)
  • SoD Daniel 2012/06/19 13:18:44
    SoD
    +1
    Wrong.

    Following WWII the entire industrialized world aside from the United States was a smouldering pile of rubble. This allowed the United States to establish a natural monopoly, which is what brought us out of the great depression.
  • Daniel SoD 2012/06/19 14:29:39 (edited)
    Daniel
    War has always been and will always be a goodthing and why it will always be. War has lead to many great things, like American freedoms. It's going to take a war to free islamic women and a war to free Mexicans from Mexico's Government. Once America becomes like Mexico, there will be war. When the Democrats finish creating two classes by wiping out the middle class America will fight.
  • SoD Daniel 2012/06/18 16:49:18
    SoD
    +1
    All stimulus/jobs bills recycle tax revenue at an inherent loss... you malthusain twit.
  • Daniel SoD 2012/06/18 18:10:49
    Daniel
    +1
    You moron! I'd be a rich son of a bitch if you idiots would just each other off. I guess your math sucks.
  • SoD Daniel 2012/06/18 19:54:35
    SoD
    +1
    Thank you for reiterating my point... psycho ;)
  • Warren ... SoD 2012/06/18 20:05:51
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +3
    Well Daniel at least has a basic understanding of economics. Libertarians like you can seldom grasp macroeconomic concepts. Whether it is willful ignorance or stupidity on their part, I don't know, but perhaps you can tell me.
  • SoD Warren ... 2012/06/19 13:23:02
    SoD
    Nonsense.

    My explanation of how we were brought out of the great depression is based on macroeconomics, whereas Daniel's premise disregards the rest of the world following WWII.

    See below.

    Following WWII the entire industrialized world aside from the United States was a smouldering pile of rubble. This allowed the United States to establish a natural monopoly, which is what brought us out of the great depression.
  • Bilingu... Daniel 2012/06/18 23:00:01
  • cuz 2012/06/18 16:14:25
    Bad for the economy
    cuz
    +5
    War is a Racket.

    WAR is a racket. It always has been.

    It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

    A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

    In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

    How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

    Out of war nations acquire additional terr...




    War is a Racket.

    WAR is a racket. It always has been.

    It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

    A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

    In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

    How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

    Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.

    And what is this bill?

    This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.
    http://www.lexrex.com/enlight...
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  • I. Car Rus 2012/06/18 16:12:43
    Bad for the economy
    I. Car Rus
    +4
    War is bad for the economy, at least according to this dude..... economics in one lesson
    probably true unless you are the ones manufacturing and selling arms, especially to both sides.
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/06/18 16:11:07
    Bad for the economy
    mk, Smartass Oracle
    +5
    We can not afford to be the World's Policmen
  • MarinerFH 2012/06/18 16:09:47
    Bad for the economy
    MarinerFH
    +3
    It depletes resources better applied elsewhere.
  • Mike 2012/06/18 16:06:46
    Unsure
    Mike
    +1
    Obama has them going on everywhere so I would say its bad
  • ehrhornp 2012/06/18 16:04:10
    Unsure
    ehrhornp
    +4
    Actually it is both. It is good for the economy in that it gets the economy producing. WWII was what ended the great depression. Unfortunately it doesn't produce a usable product. I mean what good are pot holes around the world? One cannot drive a tank to work. So as Eisenhower says a dollar spent on defense means that a dollar cannot be spent on a kids education or medical care or even food. Shame so many do not realize this simple fact.
  • I. Car Rus ehrhornp 2012/06/18 16:15:29
    I. Car Rus
    +1
    well said, man. Wasn't it Eisenhower who coined the phrase "military-industrial complex" and spoke of its potential threat to American society?

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