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Is theft by force the same as "sharing"?

Tasine 2012/08/13 17:56:36
The item - from a fundraiser in Chicago

"Too many folks still don't have a sense that tomorrow will be better
than today. And so, the question in this election is which way do we
go?" President Obama asked at a fundraiser in Chicago on Sunday.



"Do we go forward towards a new vision of an America in which prosperity
is shared?"
Obama asked. "Or do we go backward to the same policies
that got us in the mess in the first place?"



"I believe we have to go forward," Obama said. "I believe we have to
keep working to create an America where no matter who you are, no matter
what you look like, no matter where you come from, no matter what your
last name is, no matter who you love, you can make it here if you try.
That's what's at stake in November. That's what is why I am running for a
second term as president of the United States of America."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Obama uses the term "sharing" because his followers think it is such a warm cozy word. What he doesn't say is that the government will forcefully take one citizen's money and give it to another citizen who isn't as productive, or as creative, or as oriented to work. Which side of the aisle do you believe cheers?
Below I've placed some graphics about sharing. Please tell me which one depicts a "sharing" that is forced upon one for the advantage of another.
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The above pictures were about sharing. The next ones are about theft
stealing
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stealing stealing Sharing is a voluntary gesture of one person or a group of persons sharing whatever they choose with others. It is always a kindness. It never involves force or threats.

"Sharing the wealth" by government fiat, cannot be done. When the government dictates sharing one's wealth, it is accomplished by force and if there is anything benevolent about force, I wish someone would explain it to me. Sharing gives people good feelings. Theft of one's property removes all trust of the thief and does NOTHING to engender good feelings between the one being stolen from and the one receiving the stolen property. In this case there are TWO people happy: the thief, and the one receiving the stolen property. There is no benevolence involved - it is totally about greed.

I would suggest to parents that anytime you see signs stating that "sharing is good", that you assume it is a ruse to take away from your child in order to give to another. That is not sharing. That is denying your child his rights. Teach your kids what sharing is and what theft is.

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  • cynsity 2012/08/18 01:48:32
    cynsity
    +1
    Its kind of simple to understand... "FAIR" and "equal" are not the same. FAIR is getting what you earned. It is fair that if you work over time you get more pay than teh guy who clocked in late and clocked out early... that is "fair"

    BUT "equal" which is what liberal want is not determined by who has the most (as most liberals think it is) it is determined by who has the least. So. Equal would be everyone having a TV. That is EQUAL... but what kind of TV? Well a rich man might want a 100 inch plasma with surround sound... only the man who lives in a trailer can't manage that... but wait what about the man who doesn't want a TV at all? well to be "equal" no one can have a Tv becasue when things are equal no ne has what someone elses doesn't. So to be equal none of us can have homes or positions of any kind and becasue of mental illness and physical sickness we also can not have food, shelter, and many other things as there are many who wont accept them.

    Liberals want things to be "equal" but when they start having what they "fair-ly" earned taken away they might change their minds
  • Charles R. Anderson 2012/08/16 04:45:28
    Charles R. Anderson
    +1
    Obama's idea that it is sharing when government sends the lawless IRS after you and takes your earnings without your permission and will not allow you to defend your hard-earned income or wealth in accordance with your sovereign right to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness is identical with the Kings and Barons of Medieval times taking whatever they wanted from the People simply because they had power the People could not oppose.

    We the People are supposed to be protected by the Constitution, but the Supreme Court, the House and Senate, and the President choose to abusively reinterpret that great document to give themselves almost unlimited power, which they share with the many special interests. There is no sharing with most of the People, though there is much pretense that there is real sharing. The People will all be much better off with a constitutionally limited and small government. We need to take power away from the swarms of officials eating out the substance of the land and acting like parasites on We the People, their hosts.
  • Tasine Charles... 2012/08/16 12:57:45
    Tasine
    Absolutely, Charles, absolutely!
  • Libertys Martyr 2012/08/14 22:00:47
    Libertys Martyr
    +1
    As a Ron Paul supporter, I think you know where I stand on this. ABOLISH THE 16th AMENDMENT, END THE INCOME TAX!
  • Tasine Liberty... 2012/08/14 22:29:13
    Tasine
    +1
    As a Libertarian, I do know where you stand. Amen!
  • thefatguy 2012/08/14 17:36:21
    thefatguy
    +1
    Our laws are based on the concepts of consent and due process. The difference between a boxing match and assault is consent. The difference between lovemaking and rape is consent. The difference between charity (or to coin a term "sharity") and theft is consent. Coerced sharing is THEFT, whether it is by a robber or a government.
  • Tasine thefatguy 2012/08/14 17:41:34
    Tasine
    +1
    Good enough for me! Don't know about YOU, but I am coerced into "sharing". The government gives NONE of us permission to select our own charitable giving, gives none of us a choice of how much we want to "share". I don't object to being taxed for our military, needed government employees, and maintenance of infrastructure. Every other cent taken from me in the form of federal taxes is THEFT.
  • TheTruth1313 2012/08/14 07:10:00
    TheTruth1313
    +1
    No generally, but, I'm pretty sure that it is considered so by Odumba and all the little libtards that are stupid and selfish enough to support ovomit care
  • Reichstolz 2012/08/14 06:31:23
    Reichstolz
    +1
    For everyone who teaches their children sharing is good, please tell your child to share their test scores with those who didn't study.
  • ACE 2012/08/14 00:21:08
    ACE
    +1
    not even in the same category
  • DuncanONeil 2012/08/13 23:54:19
    DuncanONeil
    NO!
  • BUCCANEER~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/08/13 23:38:10
    BUCCANEER~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    AKA taxation
  • goatman112003 2012/08/13 23:23:16
    goatman112003
    +3
    Charity by extortion is robbery and a Democratic strong point.
  • Ninjaman 2012/08/13 20:36:09
    Ninjaman
    +1
    Do you really need to ask this question?
  • Tasine Ninjaman 2012/08/13 21:44:20
    Tasine
    +1
    Yes, and I'd really like to know what your answer is.
  • Ninjaman Tasine 2012/08/13 21:59:11
    Ninjaman
    no, it isnt.
  • Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA 2012/08/13 18:34:36
    Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA
    +4
    The policies that got us into this mess were DEMOCRAT policies that included the Clinton and Franks plan of giving Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae loans to those who could not afford them.


    Yes, it IS theft to take money unequally from those who have to give to those who are illegal or don't bother to earn their own.
    obama theft
  • RTHTGakaRoland 2012/08/13 18:25:50
  • Marvelous Wildfire 2012/08/13 18:14:56
    Marvelous Wildfire
    +2
    Taxation for the things that the Constitution grants the Government the power to collect taxes for, is not stealing.
    Breeding votes by creating poverty and dependency on Government, is slavery.
  • T A Marvelo... 2012/08/14 05:04:13
    T A
    +2
    Writing on a piece of paper does not change the moral nature of force no matter who wrote it, what it says or who signed it.

    Any time one is forced to labor for the welfare of another be they on the dole (welfare or subsidies) or in the government one is a slave to that person. The only time it is not theft is when the person voluntarily chooses to trade, like when we go to the store or purchase a service like cell phone or cable service.
  • Michaelene 2012/08/13 18:14:46
    Michaelene
    +5
    I believe theft aka redistribution of wealth is not the only loss of liberty our children need to understand.
    They also need to know that the government mandates that they participate in select government organizations. They call it volunteering but the choice is made for you.
    New education directives from Obama include hundreds of hours of community service and summer camps.
    The service they perform in their own communities, churches and charities does not count in the governments eyes. Mandatory servitude = slavery, read the "GIVE " act.
  • Tasine Michaelene 2012/08/13 18:19:08
    Tasine
    +5
    Absolutely, Michaelene, absolutely. Volunteerism doesn't exist when there are no choices.
  • Michaelene Tasine 2012/08/13 18:25:19
    Michaelene
    +3
    There are more examples of loss of freedoms, rights and liberty than the youth can comprehend, we need to stop this now.
  • T A Michaelene 2012/08/14 05:46:56 (edited)
    T A
    +2
    I think the GIVE Act is more about getting many billions of dollars into the hands of groups like ACORN as repayment. It looks as though he's allotting them 50% of their budget from the taxpayers. It's going into the schools most likely in order to grow the expense of the programs so they can reap a bigger windfall. I admit I haven't gone through the whole thing yet but it looks like it's not compulsory to serve, just to pay. Of course, local agencies would no doubt be encouraged to amend their policies to force students to do service with the agencies approved by the Feds in order to matriculate.

    Admittedly, I'm only a third of the way through the text of it so far (slow skimming so I may have missed something). It's awful.

    http://www.opencongress.org/b...
  • Michaelene T A 2012/08/14 15:26:06
    Michaelene
    +2
    When the government took over the school loan industry, they quickly changed the terms for borrowers. I spoke out loudly against this law, personally going to the offices of those who crafted and signed it.
    One of my best friends, a teacher, was helping her son to complete his college applications and financial records and thanks to my pleas she read through the enitire contract. She called me to thank me for alerting her of the ways her son would repay his college debt and because of the stipulations of the gov't terms she chose a home equity loan rather than have her son sign off to join peace corps, Vista, Americorps etc.
    The teachers do not even know the terms of these govt loans so they are unknowingly promoting them to students.
    My children have participated in many community service programs and none of their service (Autism, Alzheimers, building community gardens, organizing read in's and book drives for impoverished schools,etc) is acceptabe to the govt to fulfill the service requirements.
  • Tasine Michaelene 2012/08/14 15:36:28
    Tasine
    +2
    It's wonderful to meet people who not only talk the talk, but also walk the walk. Thank you for doing this. Amazing, isn't it, that anything the government calls "volunteerism", is not, in fact, volunteerism. Yet your children's work in community service programs just doesn't cut it with the government. I hope your teacher friend shared all she had learned with her teacher friends and all her social friends.

    Since maturing, I've had a healthy distrust of government, but I never really worried about it until all the "gimme" programs began to flourish, but even then I kept the faith. However, once I heard that actual Americans had elected an empty suit without resume or credentials, I was floored. Our government is NOT our friend. If anything, it is our biggest and most lethal foe.

    Keep on keeping on, Michaelene! I will too!!
  • Michaelene Tasine 2012/08/14 16:21:07
    Michaelene
    Thanks. I am lifelong volunteer, my husband once joked that I should volunteer to help our checkbook. I raised my kids to help those less fortunate than themselves. Volunteering is not work nor should it come with a "payment" in any form. It defeats the whole purpose.
    Our nation did not need a volunteer bill since community service and volunteering are at an all time high (began after 9/11) without any incentive or gains other than good citizenship and a sense of giving back.
    As usual government passed a sweetly named bill that takes from others by using government control.
    Nationalizing our student loan programs along with many private industries has done nothing but hurt Americans and take more money from programs in need and give it to those who need to control.
  • Striker 2012/08/13 18:10:57
    Striker
    +5
    It's WAY past time to create America - that was done 234 years ago, Mr Pseudo-Prez. Sadly, the founders did not bar Gov from Force, which is the collectivist's ONLY way of displacing America since FDR. Without Force no redistribution could occur. Of course our Rulers of today cannot survive without Force.

    The devastating [global] collapse ahead can be enjoyed only because GOVERN will be realized as the culprit [AT LAST!], and the survivors will be those who know better. At least it well be the END of Forced Sharing!
  • T A Striker 2012/08/14 05:08:14
    T A
    +2
    It will be a good thing but the government will point to the "free market" just like they did with the burst housing bubble. A majority of the government school educated will believe it too.
  • Striker T A 2012/08/14 06:24:40
    Striker
    +3
    there are so many who deny Reason and are thus irrational. Time to return to private education. The brainwashers have proven awfully effective! Thus Dodd/Frank.
  • T A Striker 2012/08/15 21:12:29 (edited)
    T A
    +2
    That's why I pulled my son out of public school to homeschool him. Between the constant indoctrination, lies and idiotic policies it had to be done. We were both miserable dealing with the school. He was constantly having to deal with teachers telling him lies and when he would point it out they would punish him (not every teacher, but most). He was even suspended once for restraining a kid who was trying to hit another kid while the teacher was out of the classroom because only a teacher is allowed to use force to stop violence. Talk about teaching dependence. And the inane homework that was just busy work was maddening. In the end some kid started a fight with him, and after he was hit he hit the kid back, the boy threatened to use a weapon and the school wanted me to authorize an assessment for him. When I declined they threatened to stick him in the worst school in the county in order to force me to "cooperate". Frighteningly, they admitted as much (power hungry sob's). I can't figure out how some other kid starting a fight opened the door for them but I'm glad they did as that was what finalized the decision I had been dithering over for six months to homeschool. I should have done it right away.

    If you haven't heard of the School Sucks Podcast/Project (two di...

    That's why I pulled my son out of public school to homeschool him. Between the constant indoctrination, lies and idiotic policies it had to be done. We were both miserable dealing with the school. He was constantly having to deal with teachers telling him lies and when he would point it out they would punish him (not every teacher, but most). He was even suspended once for restraining a kid who was trying to hit another kid while the teacher was out of the classroom because only a teacher is allowed to use force to stop violence. Talk about teaching dependence. And the inane homework that was just busy work was maddening. In the end some kid started a fight with him, and after he was hit he hit the kid back, the boy threatened to use a weapon and the school wanted me to authorize an assessment for him. When I declined they threatened to stick him in the worst school in the county in order to force me to "cooperate". Frighteningly, they admitted as much (power hungry sob's). I can't figure out how some other kid starting a fight opened the door for them but I'm glad they did as that was what finalized the decision I had been dithering over for six months to homeschool. I should have done it right away.

    If you haven't heard of the School Sucks Podcast/Project (two different websites, same guy), I highly recommend it. It's aimed at high school and college aged kids but it's really well done. He's a voluntarist/ancap advocating an end to the government school system.

    http://schoolsucks.podomatic....
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  • Tasine T A 2012/08/16 00:02:21
    Tasine
    +1
    I'm thrilled to know you are homeschooling your son. You have removed him from the indoctrination, the force-fed incorrect meanings of words, and phrases, the force-fed sexuality classes, the "there can be no winners because that makes the losers lose face" claptrap. He won't be constantly among peers who use foul language, many of whom cheat, lie, and curse. The only thing I believe a child misses who is homeschooled is socialization and group activities, which I believe all kids need a certain amount of. But no child has to attend a public school for those things. There is no way he will ever accuse you of being an uncaring father - he already knows better. My congratulations to you!
  • T A Tasine 2012/08/16 01:05:00
    T A
    +1
    Thanks. I still have those moments where we're listening to something about the schools and he says, "oh yeah, my school did that," and I'm shocked even though I should know better. The last one was something or other designed to get them to renounce property rights.

    It's been wonderful since he came home. We work together to determine what he's interested in learning and we just do it. Presently he wants to learn how to program a game for his computer so he's been spending most of his time studying everything he needs to know to do it and when he's not doing that he's making videos of walkthroughs and learning how to improve his camera shots and speaking. He's very entertaining. He used to hate reading the books they gave but now that he has the freedom to choose he reads all the time. We go to the beach for science lessons and he looks up information about waves, sea life. Or we talk to his grandfather who was a research scientist and he directs us to articles and friends of his. It's pretty awesome.

    The claim against socialization is a ruse to keep kids in schools (where they will learn to be good socialists). There are a lot of home school groups, kids in the neighborhood, after school groups and classes where he can find friends with similar interests. These ar...

    Thanks. I still have those moments where we're listening to something about the schools and he says, "oh yeah, my school did that," and I'm shocked even though I should know better. The last one was something or other designed to get them to renounce property rights.

    It's been wonderful since he came home. We work together to determine what he's interested in learning and we just do it. Presently he wants to learn how to program a game for his computer so he's been spending most of his time studying everything he needs to know to do it and when he's not doing that he's making videos of walkthroughs and learning how to improve his camera shots and speaking. He's very entertaining. He used to hate reading the books they gave but now that he has the freedom to choose he reads all the time. We go to the beach for science lessons and he looks up information about waves, sea life. Or we talk to his grandfather who was a research scientist and he directs us to articles and friends of his. It's pretty awesome.

    The claim against socialization is a ruse to keep kids in schools (where they will learn to be good socialists). There are a lot of home school groups, kids in the neighborhood, after school groups and classes where he can find friends with similar interests. These are all more natural ways of finding friends than being forced into a building under threat. Moreover, I think the friends they make in school are as much protection from other kids as real friendships. And only having friends who are the exact same age is just weird. Where would that happen naturally?

    I was very nervous about doing it but now that we're on the other side I'd recommend it to anyone.
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  • Tasine T A 2012/08/16 01:37:46
  • Striker T A 2012/08/16 02:19:46
    Striker
    +2
    I've been writing for years on the need to return to wholly private education. Governments (at ALL levels) must be banned from education. Interest is this is growing but still a long way from winning.
  • Kat ♪ 2012/08/13 18:00:24
    Kat ♪
    +8
    Not unless you're a democrat.
  • Tasine Kat ♪ 2012/08/13 18:02:56
    Tasine
    +7
    And everyone else who is in favor of redistribution of wealth. Sadly that includes some Republicans.
  • RTHTGak... Tasine 2012/08/13 18:23:47
    RTHTGakaRoland
    +1
    Some Republicans are simply cowards. So cowed by the race card and the Left's intentional conflation of force altruism as charity that they capitulate at the first ridiculous charge of racism or greed.

    I doubt that any Republicans have serious redistributive beliefs, but know many to be abject cowards when facing the Left's coalition of Democrats and media.
  • Tasine RTHTGak... 2012/08/13 18:32:47
    Tasine
    +3
    I think you're right, that most Republicans are not redistributionists at heart, but are too cowardly to fight against redistribution, too cowardly to fight against any number of things that republicans once denounced.

    Good to see you here, again, Roland! Hope all is well with you and yours.
  • RTHTGak... Tasine 2012/08/13 18:36:22

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