Is the War on Women Real or Manufactured?
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2012/04/12 19:18:14
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Politics got personal on Wednesday when Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen accused Mitt Romney's wife, Ann Romney, of having "never worked a day in her life." It moved Mrs. Romney to send her first tweet ever ("I made a choice to stay home and raise five boys. Believe me, it was hard work"), setting off a debate over the decision to work or stay home. But The Christian Science Monitor is calling it a "fake" debate.
Ann told Fox News, "[Rosen] should have come to my house when those five boys were causing so much trouble, it wasn’t so easy. My career choice was to be a mother. And I think all of us need to know that we need to respect the choices that women make. Other women make other choices to have a career and raise a family, which I think Hilary Rosen has actually done herself. I respect that, that's wonderful... We have to respect women in all those choices that they make."
But Rosen is sticking to her guns, and responded to the criticism in a CNN editorial: "I have no judgments about women who work outside the home versus women who work in the home raising a family. I admire women who can stay home and raise their kids full time. I even envy them sometimes. It is a wonderful luxury to have the choice. But let's stipulate that it is not a choice that most women have in America today." We're not sure if Hilary Rosen or Ann Romney wins this debate, but that's not really the point. Do you think these kinds of feuds are real -- or just manufactured to get a vote in politics?

Ann told Fox News, "[Rosen] should have come to my house when those five boys were causing so much trouble, it wasn’t so easy. My career choice was to be a mother. And I think all of us need to know that we need to respect the choices that women make. Other women make other choices to have a career and raise a family, which I think Hilary Rosen has actually done herself. I respect that, that's wonderful... We have to respect women in all those choices that they make."
But Rosen is sticking to her guns, and responded to the criticism in a CNN editorial: "I have no judgments about women who work outside the home versus women who work in the home raising a family. I admire women who can stay home and raise their kids full time. I even envy them sometimes. It is a wonderful luxury to have the choice. But let's stipulate that it is not a choice that most women have in America today." We're not sure if Hilary Rosen or Ann Romney wins this debate, but that's not really the point. Do you think these kinds of feuds are real -- or just manufactured to get a vote in politics?

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Rod 2012/04/12 20:02:55Real






















I dont see "keeping women down" as a viable option, but I am just saying how it could actually be considered as an economic advantage.
Any woman would probably like the choice of being able to stay home with the kids, or not-I would have much preferred to stay home with them, but I had to work.
There is no organized religion that takes away a women's rights, except Muslim-just off the top of my head.
Went to 4 yrs Bible College, got a THB (Bachelor of Theology), went 2 more yrs. & I know what I am talking about.
And I was in one of the most non-liberal churches.
Nobody is taking away birth control.
Much to-do about nothing.
Actually I think your gender is superior. If the survival of our species depended on me giving birth, we'd go extinct.
I campaigned for Barry while I was in high school. He was a man of high integrity. The GOP threatened to take his name off of "The Goldwater Institute " for changing his views on gays.
I don't mean the above comment in a snide or derogatory way. I just would like to see how you connect what you have referenced to a war on a given gender, and then how you build a logical argument to support your assertion.
Thanks
Regarding your comment that those who think a zygote is a human shouldn't let their belief impact others, that doesn't rest well with logic. The question would be whether a zygote truly is human or not. If it truly is human, then you are dealing with a life or death situation, not just a medical procedure based on choice. In that case, it becomes a case of legalized murder of an innocent human. Taking that line of thinking to it's logical end, one could justify nearly any behavior towards someone they do not recognize as human. The racial zealots who want to exterminate entire races could claim that they feel the race in question is not human, and those who feel different have no right to impose their beliefs on them. You and I would both agree that argument would hold no water with anyone who is remotely sane. And please don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing those who are pro choice with being like Hitler and the Nazis. I'm simply illustrating where the line of reasoning goes.
That being said, then the question truly becomes, is the zygote/embryo/fetus a person or not? If the answer is "a person", then one cannot simply stand by while that person is brutally killed. It would be like standi...
Regarding your comment that those who think a zygote is a human shouldn't let their belief impact others, that doesn't rest well with logic. The question would be whether a zygote truly is human or not. If it truly is human, then you are dealing with a life or death situation, not just a medical procedure based on choice. In that case, it becomes a case of legalized murder of an innocent human. Taking that line of thinking to it's logical end, one could justify nearly any behavior towards someone they do not recognize as human. The racial zealots who want to exterminate entire races could claim that they feel the race in question is not human, and those who feel different have no right to impose their beliefs on them. You and I would both agree that argument would hold no water with anyone who is remotely sane. And please don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing those who are pro choice with being like Hitler and the Nazis. I'm simply illustrating where the line of reasoning goes.
That being said, then the question truly becomes, is the zygote/embryo/fetus a person or not? If the answer is "a person", then one cannot simply stand by while that person is brutally killed. It would be like standing in your front yard watching a person brutally attacking your next door neighbor. In that situation, you would be compelled to help the neighbor. Nobody would argue that the attacker's freedom of choice to attack or not to attack shouldn't be violated.
Anyway, I'm getting pretty long winded here, so I'll cut it off at that. I appreciate your reply, and look forward to your response. Thanks.
The most fascinating thing about this question is the left and right hypocrisy you often find when contrasting Abortion and the death penalty and that also is very difficult to resolve. While not necessarily lined up with the Catholic Church I can at least respect the moral integrity and simplicity of their position. Since I don't consider a Zygote human then I can claim consistency in my opposition to the death penalty but I'll confess I'm not absolutely comfortable with abortion and on a personal level would have great difficulty accepting an abortion in a family member of a friend close to me. That said I've resolved to my own satisfaction that a Zygote is not human yet. PS---by the way---nice to see SodaHead with polite discourse. Too often this site is polluted with haters both ways.
Regarding the death penalty, I don't think there is necessarily an inconsistency between being pro life and still support the death penalty. The reasoning actually hinges on the same logic I mentioned above. Assuming the embryo is human, and should be protected, then abortion would be killing an innocent person. On the other hand, a convicted criminal (murderer) is not an innocent human being. Thus, the question becomes "has one done something worthy of death?". In the case of a murderer, to simplify the argument, you could say that since he had taken a life, his is now forfiet. The same could not be said of the fetus. An unborn child has not performed any act which could be remotely considered worthy of death.
In this case, the non-contradiction hinges on the innocence of the unborn compared to the guilt of the known, convicted murderer.
In my statements above, I "assumed" the right of the government to issue the death penalty. I do think that could be established, but my point was to show (hopefully) that there isn't necessarily a contradic...
Regarding the death penalty, I don't think there is necessarily an inconsistency between being pro life and still support the death penalty. The reasoning actually hinges on the same logic I mentioned above. Assuming the embryo is human, and should be protected, then abortion would be killing an innocent person. On the other hand, a convicted criminal (murderer) is not an innocent human being. Thus, the question becomes "has one done something worthy of death?". In the case of a murderer, to simplify the argument, you could say that since he had taken a life, his is now forfiet. The same could not be said of the fetus. An unborn child has not performed any act which could be remotely considered worthy of death.
In this case, the non-contradiction hinges on the innocence of the unborn compared to the guilt of the known, convicted murderer.
In my statements above, I "assumed" the right of the government to issue the death penalty. I do think that could be established, but my point was to show (hopefully) that there isn't necessarily a contradiction between holding a pro life position and supporting the death penalty.
I appreciate your thoughts on my reasoning here. Especially if you think there are any holes in my logic.
Even to say a stay at home mother doesn't know economics is stupid. Sure like she never pays bills, does the shopping, budgets for clothing, school supplies, trips, household extras, birthdays, Christmas, and the biggie, taxes. Yea sure stay at home moms just sit around eating bonbon's and watching soaps (yuck to both, most mothers done have time for that).
How stupid can a person get. Open mouth, insert foot, and shove really hard so that when you reach hip you can stop. Rosen can stick to it all she wants. Stupid, ignorant people tend to not want to let go of the falsehoods they have built for their little world view. This whole thing is manufactured to get votes from women and this is something that could seriously backfire on them. This was a direct attack on mothers who choose to be a stay at home mother. I have many names, Mary, wife, sister, aunt, cousin, and mama was the most important one I have ever had till the name grandma came along. Rosen just attacked the most important job I ever had, the job I choose to be my first.
Democrats view feminism as the government taking care of women making thier life easier and providing all thier needs for them.
Reoublicans view feminism as putting women on an equal level with men, allowing them to make it on thier own or fail on thier own by thier own strengths and weaknesses.
They are not trying to get rid of healthcare for anyone Republican Sen. Mitch McConnel first proposed public option in 1993 but was shot down by DEMOCRATIC senators who were in the pocket of the healthcare copanies. Obama campaigned on that very idea but abandoned it because when he got to the White house his own party balked at the idea. 5 LIBERALS were arrested at the press release for this bill for protesting it's exclusion at the direction of DEMOCRATIC finance committe chairman Baucus.
Republicans object to the bill because without the public option it is unconstitutional
So who is really denying healthcare to women? Democrats!
Here is a PBS program that documents all I have said.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages...