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Is the U.S. officially a socialist nation?

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  • Sodahead Founders are Fascists 2012/06/28 23:11:53
    No we aren't.
    Sodahead Founders are Fascists
    +10
    Do the workers and employees collectively own and democratically manage the means of production and distribution?
    The US is thinly veiled corporatism and on the way to full blown fascism.

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  • Edwin 2012/07/06 04:56:57
    No we aren't.
    Edwin
    Just a weird question.
  • basketcase<3 2012/07/02 04:31:22
    No we aren't.
    basketcase<3
    People will just regurgitate whatever screwed up rhetoric that their politicians feed them, right? We aren't socialist, and people need to stop tagging our government with different names like anything other than our generic democratic republic system is inherently bad. You could say we have some socialism in our government, yeah, but no modern government fits perfectly in to one category.
    Or maybe I'm just tired of people from my school saying that they're moving to Canada because Obama is a socialist or some crap, even though Canada has long had more socialized healthcare, which has been far more successful than ours in most cases.
  • docdj 2012/07/01 19:38:42
    No we aren't.
    docdj
    We are a semi-socialist country like almost all the countries in the world. Some are less socialist, most are far MORE.
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/06/30 19:56:35
    Not yet but well on the way
    mk, Smartass Oracle
    We know have socialized medicine, government run auto companies, and government run banks.
  • Patent1 2012/06/30 15:44:36
    Yes. We are.
    Patent1
    The US has been a mixture of Socialism and capitalism since at least the Great Depression, when the gov. stepped in and started to provide jobs on public works projects and other stimulus. This goes to the heart of the social contract between the government and the governed. The people give the government the power to govern over them, and in exchange the government protects the people by providing armies, fire and police departments ( and a lot of other stuff), and provides for the common welfare. Read the preamble of the constitution. "the common welfare" clause is right next to providing for the common defense. Clearly, the Founders intended the gov. to do more for the people than to just raise an army. Taxes and user fees are the means by which the gov. implements its policies and programs. However, unchecked capitalism and a flawed political system has led to those with the most money being able to control the flow of taxes to the gov. This is the problem we are dealing with today, not whether or not we are socialists or not. Those with more need to pay more taxes.

    The repug. argument that businesses won't grow unless they get more tax breaks or more deregulation is pure crap. They are already sitting on a pile of money, and still aren't growing. This is be...
    The US has been a mixture of Socialism and capitalism since at least the Great Depression, when the gov. stepped in and started to provide jobs on public works projects and other stimulus. This goes to the heart of the social contract between the government and the governed. The people give the government the power to govern over them, and in exchange the government protects the people by providing armies, fire and police departments ( and a lot of other stuff), and provides for the common welfare. Read the preamble of the constitution. "the common welfare" clause is right next to providing for the common defense. Clearly, the Founders intended the gov. to do more for the people than to just raise an army. Taxes and user fees are the means by which the gov. implements its policies and programs. However, unchecked capitalism and a flawed political system has led to those with the most money being able to control the flow of taxes to the gov. This is the problem we are dealing with today, not whether or not we are socialists or not. Those with more need to pay more taxes.

    The repug. argument that businesses won't grow unless they get more tax breaks or more deregulation is pure crap. They are already sitting on a pile of money, and still aren't growing. This is because the middle class no longer has the spending power that we had in the 80s, and since the banking and housing crisis, we now don't have the borrowing power we once had. Until more money is put back into the middle class, businesses won't have the demand for their goods and services to justify growth. The issue here is supply and demand, not taxes.
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  • Call me Mark willya? 2012/06/30 04:06:33
    No we aren't.
    Call me Mark willya?
    +1
    socialized medicine seems to be working pretty well for England.
  • Jericho 2012/06/29 20:48:02
    Yes. We are.
    Jericho
    +1
    Socialism is control over how you live your life by the government. What else would you call enforced health care, illegal taxes, seat belt/insurance laws, new chip implants, mandates against conscience, Touchus Squeezing Agencies, Patriot Acts, and so on and so on.
  • Captain-Morgan 2012/06/29 20:25:49
    Not yet but well on the way
    Captain-Morgan
    +2
    Yes, with more than 60% of the US economy now being run by our government.. Health Care, Banks, Car Companies. Just when will they, the government raise or double the taxes on the Big Mac, or other fast foods to control what we eat..
  • TexasMentor54 2012/06/29 19:11:21
    No we aren't.
    TexasMentor54
    +1
    You mean the U.S. that is controlled by and whose government has been bought by multrinational corporations? Are you crazy?
  • Tedster 2012/06/29 17:30:30 (edited)
    No we aren't.
    Tedster
    +2
    Only to those who let their fear based, paranoid imaginations run away with them. The types who feel impotent to control their own lives and create bogeymen aka NRA gun nuts who think that Obama will be pulling up outside their house in his Abrahms tank to confiscate their guns despite him not proposing ANY gun control legislation as President. And isn't it funny how the NRA creates this paranoia all to sell more guns and bullets. They should love Democratic Presidents because the gun industry profits from it.
  • Chucky69 2012/06/29 16:42:02
    No we aren't.
    Chucky69
    +1
    As compared to "TRU" Socialist countires, ie; China, N. Korea, India, Tanzania, Sri Lanka, etc???????????? Nope Looooooooooooooo-oonnnnnggggggg ways away yet!
  • Anonymous Coward218 2012/06/29 15:43:23
    Not yet but well on the way
    Anonymous Coward218
    +2
    In a TRUE free market, able bodied persons who DO NOT work, would not have money, OR a place to lay their heads at night that they can call their own place. That is not true of US. All of these social programs, and the poor are STILL poor....a hand out is NEVER a hand UP.
  • Ira 2012/06/29 12:36:28
    No we aren't.
    Ira
    +2
    There is plenty of private business in the US. Most in fact. If anything we have tendencies in philosophical terms of leaning ever so slightly towards social democracy. To assert we are socialist is to admit ones ignorance.
  • D D 2012/06/29 11:27:02
    Not yet but well on the way
    D D
    +2
    Sure took a major leap into it.
  • Edensasp 2012/06/29 11:00:37
    No we aren't.
    Edensasp
    +2
    Nope, were still a Federated communist socialist capitalist republican democracy
  • mwg0735 2012/06/29 09:58:28
  • ☆ElenaD... mwg0735 2012/06/29 15:25:32
    ☆ElenaDiamond☆
    +2
    Bad news.
  • Dana 2012/06/29 04:47:20
    No we aren't.
    Dana
    +1
    No... never have been. Need to actually read the real definition...

    Here is a brief definition of socialism via wikipedia... Socialism /ˈsoʊʃəlɪzəm/ is an economic system characterised by social ownership and/or control of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy,[1] and a political philosophy advocating such a system.

    A socialist economic system would consist of an organisation of production to directly satisfy economic demands and human needs, so that goods and services would be produced directly for use instead of for private profit driven by the accumulation of capital, and accounting would be based on physical quantities, a common physical magnitude, or a direct measure of labour-time.[5][6] Distribution of output would be based on the principle of individual contribution.
  • the fuze Dana 2012/06/29 10:57:17
    the fuze
    "Distribution of output would be based on the principle of individual contribution."

    haha... that last part made me laugh, thank you.
  • none 2012/06/29 04:37:43
    Not yet but well on the way
    none
    +4
    If the disgraceful unAmerican socialist Obama is reelected it may happen.
  • D D none 2012/06/29 11:24:55
    D D
    +3
    He will take us fully into socialism/communism.
  • none D D 2012/06/29 17:26:37
    none
    +1
    If he has his way he will but I don't think he'll get reelected at the rate things are going.
  • Hebsi 2012/06/29 04:37:00
    No we aren't.
    Hebsi
    +4
    But the U.S. is a nation full of dumb and ignorant people who ask stupid questions like this.
  • ☆ElenaD... Hebsi 2012/06/29 15:26:28
    ☆ElenaDiamond☆
    Ask a stupid question get a stupid answerer.
  • zapped 2012/06/29 04:35:49
    Not yet but well on the way
    zapped
    +4
    well on it's way ,,,,and possibly to be a dictatorship SOON !
  • Razoreye001 2012/06/29 04:31:26
    No we aren't.
    Razoreye001
    +1
    we are just a civilized country.
  • The Duke 2012/06/29 04:25:50
    Not yet but well on the way
    The Duke
    +3
    Not yet, but Zer0-bama, his minions, cohorts, and puppet masters are working on it 24/7.
  • Heptarch 2012/06/29 03:28:40
    No we aren't.
    Heptarch
    +3
    Of course not. Even if Obamacare was purely socialist (which it's not, sadly), that wouldn't make us a Socialist country. It's just one industry, not the entire economy.
  • Pinball Wizard 2012/06/29 03:04:50 (edited)
    No we aren't.
    Pinball Wizard
    +2
    While the United States democracy does have some socialist programs (programs that are popular even with Americans saying they abhor "socialism"), the United States is not a socialist democracy. It lacks both the government ownership of critical industry, and more importantly, the socialist intent.
    http://www.bestoftheblogs.com...
  • Guru_T_Firefly 2012/06/29 03:03:24 (edited)
    No we aren't.
    Guru_T_Firefly
    +2
    That's just Teapublican propaganda. America is not Socialist by any means at any level. Thankfully, we do have some socialistic programs, though.
  • Freedom 2012/06/29 02:26:54
    No we aren't.
    Freedom
    +2
    No but we have some aspects of socialism, which isn't a bad thing. There are many different ways of handling things and if we close our minds off to different solutions we might miss out on making things better. I think that its good not to subscribe to just one system or ideology, so I am okay with a mix like we have.

    Politically, we are a Representative Democracy, economically we're capitalist. Certain things like welfare, Social Security or even unemployment compensation could be said to be socialist policies but its not like we're turning completely socialist.
  • flaca BN-0 2012/06/29 02:23:58
    Yes. We are.
    flaca BN-0
    +4
    Medicare, Medicaid, Public Schools, Post Office, Us Corps of Engineers etc............ yep we are a socialist nation.
  • rand 2012/06/29 02:17:54
    Yes. We are.
    rand
    +2
    It's an issue of semantics. What nation is absolutely capitalistic with no socialistic programs?
  • Idiot r... rand 2012/06/29 21:25:05 (edited)
    Idiot repubs
    +1
    Somalia! Pirates are the ultimate capitalists.
  • rand Idiot r... 2012/06/29 21:33:17
    rand
    Am not sure I see entrepreneurs and thieves in the same light, but LOL.
  • Idiot r... rand 2012/06/29 21:34:56
    Idiot repubs
    +1
    LOL, but Somalia doesn't have a lick of socialism, or laws for that matter.
  • Cyan9 2012/06/29 01:35:14
    No we aren't.
    Cyan9
    +3
    You don't really understand socialism if you think various regulations and subsidies for the insurance industry is the same as the workers controlling the means of production.
  • EdVenture 2012/06/29 01:14:35
    No we aren't.
    EdVenture
    +3
    Don't confuse ethical socialism with socialist. From a corporate sector standpoint I would say yes.
  • jcadla 2012/06/29 01:11:22
    Not yet but well on the way
    jcadla
    +3
    If Romney does not begin to act immediately to undo some of the damage Obama has done, we will definitely be on the way. Then, keep your guns and get ready to defend the Constitution and your Nation from all enemies, both from without and within...
  • Idiot r... jcadla 2012/06/29 21:26:33
    Idiot repubs
    Romney is never going to change a thing.

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