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Is The TEA PARTY More Fascist or Socialist ?

Che Guevara - Hero 2013/05/01 11:56:32

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Fascism

Socialism

Philosophy:

No single
philosophy. The state must gain glory through constant conquest, aka war.
Belief that the past was glorious, and that the State can be renewed.

From each according to his ability, to
each according to his contribution. Emphasis on profit being distributed
among the society or workforce in addition to receiving a wage.

Definition:

A government
system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly oppressing
opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry and emphasizing an
aggressive nationalism.

A theory or system of social
organization based on the holding of most property in common, with actual
ownership ascribed to the workers

Political System:

One charismatic leader has absolute
authority. Often the symbol of the state.

Multiple parties, but the ruling party
usually goes by the name "Socialist".

Social Structure:

Strict class structure believed
necessary to prevent chaos. Everyone has a specific, defined role. While a
certain race is considered superior, individuality among members of that race
is discouraged.

Class distinctions are diminished

Economic System:

Focused on glorifying and
strengthening the State. Both Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany attempted to
pursue self-sufficiency.

Wealth redistributed so that everyone
in society is given somewhat equal shares
of the benefits derived from labor, but people can earn more if they work
harder. Means of production are controlled by the workers themselves.

Free Choice:

The individual is considered
meaningless; they must be dedicated to the power of the State. Traditional gender roles are upheld.

All choices, including education, religion, employment
and marriage, are up to the individual.
All health care and education is provided
free to everybody

Ideas:

Union between businesses and the
State, with the state telling the business what to do, with private
ownership. Also Known as National-Socialism.

All people should be given an equal
opportunity to succeed. Workers should have most say in their factory's management.
The free market suffers from problems like
tragedy of the commons. Government regulation is necessary.

Private Property:

Permitted

two kinds of property, private
property, such as land, houses, clothing,
etc. owned by the individual. Public property, factories, and means of
production owned by the state but with worker control

Religion:

Against any kind of religion except
Nationalism – worship of the State.

freedom of religion

Economic Coordination:

People control businesses properly,
but Government makes business decisions.

Planned-Socialism relies principally
on planning to determine investment and
production decisions. Planning may be centralized or decentralized.
Market-socialism relies on markets for
allocating capital to different socially-owned enterprises.

Discrimination:

Belief in one superior race. Blames
society’s problems on members of other races or social groups.

The people are considered equal, laws
are made when necessary to protect people from discrimination

Political Movements:

Nazism, Falangism

Democratic Socialism, Communism,
Libertarian Socialism, Anarchism, Syndicalism

Key Proponents:

Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler

Robert Owen, Pierre Leroux, Karl Marx,
Fredrick Engels, John Stuart Mill, Albert Einstein, George Bernard Shaw, Leo
Tolstoy, Emma Goldman

Means of control:

Force and national fanaticism through
rallies etc.

Proletariat engages in taking charge
of the factories and means of production.

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  • MkB 2013/05/01 19:27:13
    MkB
    +18
    Depends on one's perception. For example...on the Communist Party USA homepage is this:

    "A better and peaceful world is possible — a world where people and nature come before profits. That’s socialism. That’s our vision. We are the Communist Party USA"

    This clearly states that communism is socialism.

    If I perceive the Coffee Party USA's call for a 'Third Reconstruction', I see 'Third Reich'.

    third reconstruction

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  • Janet Vonnik 2014/07/19 23:26:20
    Janet Vonnik
    +1
    Fascist for sure. Forcing traditional values on us is not what I desire. Traditional values have no place in my life
  • Atrocalypse 2014/07/16 23:05:54
    Atrocalypse
    Some say president Obama is a socialist. He's done nothing a fascist would do.
  • Avenged7 2014/07/08 00:28:05
    Avenged7
    +1
    They are Fascist!! No doubt about it!
  • Cleaver62 2014/07/07 15:53:39
    Cleaver62
    +2
    The Tea Party is a little farther right than the Republican party. I believe they are Fascists who would love to see corporations running everything... even more than they do now.
  • DRLJR 2014/07/07 09:59:35
    DRLJR
    The TEA Party is neither. Both Socialism and Fascism are in fact the same philosophies - just different sides of the same coin. Both involve Supremacy of the State and those in control of the State rule. What we call Socialism is just more dishonest and mask their dictatorship better.
  • petruxa5 2014/07/07 09:31:30
  • Thank u, Nerdette Geekette 2014/07/07 04:33:49 (edited)
    Thank u, Nerdette Geekette
    I had to stop reading at * and all healthcare provided free*. Nowhere in the world is healthcare free. In many countries it is paid out of taxes. In France and other European countries about 20% or greater of a person*s income goes toward healthcare system. Even the ACA will often cost most of the low paid something. See MEDICAID PREMIUM AND COST SHARING ACT .
  • Idiot repubs 2014/07/07 02:16:59
    Idiot repubs
    +1
    Fascist
  • Lester 2014/07/07 01:34:09
    Lester
    +1
    If you believe the official policy position of the Tea Party they are a party focused on minimal taxes, which implies minimal government: that would make them libertarian, which is neither Fascist nor Socialist because both of those political philosophies believe in strong centralized government. However, when you look at the actual membership of the Tea Party, they actual have a wide ranging agenda including a large military budget, sharp limits on immigration, and hyper-nationalism: that puts them clearly on the right of the political spectrum, closer to the Fascists than the Socialists.
  • Rich 2014/07/07 01:28:34
    Rich
    I'd put the Tea Party somewhat to the right of Genghis Khan.
  • Mopvyzo 2014/07/07 00:31:04
    Mopvyzo
    +3
    They are a bunch of jack-booted freedom hating Nazis.
  • nerak611 2013/05/11 06:08:12
    nerak611
    +4
    Fascist. But why isn't crazy insane a choice?
  • MediaMike 2013/05/06 16:28:50
    MediaMike
    +1
    You've got some history to read. Fascism is when CORPORATIONS control all the assets, including the military (such as now under Bush & Obama and the past under Mussolini).
    Socialism is when the government controls all the assets, and the people individually own NOTHING. Communism is the extreme of Socialism. It is where there is a dictator, and usually when millions of his own people are killed while he is in power (Stalin, Hitler)
  • Falcon MediaMike 2013/05/08 19:35:36
    Falcon
    +1
    Pretty simplistic. Communism is when the government controls all the assets. Socialism is when tax money pays for police, roads, infrastructure, etc.

    Dictators can be far left Communist as with Stalin or far right Fascist as with Hitler. A dictator can also be anywhere in between as in what George Bush said he wanted.
  • MediaMike Falcon 2013/05/11 15:08:18
    MediaMike
    +1
    And all the men you mentioned killed millions.
  • Falcon MediaMike 2013/05/11 15:24:19
    Falcon
    +2
    I wouldn't say George Bush killed millions but tens of thousands died because of his lies.
  • DRLJR Falcon 2014/07/07 10:12:38
    DRLJR
    It is simply than even that. The NAZI are and were Left-Wing. The Left in this country and other places disowned them because of their openness of getting rid of those they viewed as undesirables. The darlings of the "Left" in the USA praised the same people and promoted the same ideas about getting rid of undesirables. Look at the Woodrow Wilson, Margaret Sanger and the real history of Planned Parenthood for instance. Far Left and racist. The "Left" is about Supremacy of the State and those in control of the State, be it via Corporation (think crony capitalism as one example) or by the government owning everything. The "Right" is minimal government and maximal personal freedom. The term "Left-Wing Anarchist" is an oxymoron since an anarchist believes in no government - rule of the jungle. People have to look past the smokescreens to the underlying philosophy that controls and dictates everything.
  • Sadisticon DRLJR 2014/07/09 06:05:02
    Sadisticon
    I'm going to troll:
    You said the Right is minimal government and maximal personal freedom. Philosophically that might be so, but I have seen many people who identify themselves as being "Right" or "Conservative" (and you'll want to draw differences between the one and the other, but don't bother I won't last that long) who want the government to be just big enough to push those haughty homos back in the closet and tell those women to keep their legs shut or keep those babies. Each "side" ( a silly concept since there are multiple sides and views) wants the government just big enough to give them dogmatic fulfillment.
  • Spizzzo BN-0 2013/05/06 10:34:04
    Spizzzo BN-0
    +3
    I refused to stick with this long list, but about halfway through here are my ideas:

    While the American Tea Party is NOT Sociialist, it IS authoritarian when it gets in power.

    Republicans hate liberty.
  • aherbert 2013/05/05 17:11:28
    aherbert
    +4
    Fascist

    gop fascist party gop fascist party
  • MediaMike aherbert 2013/05/06 16:23:55
    MediaMike
    YES, Yes, YES! AND a Democrat is too stupid to know they're a socialist/communist.

    Now if the general public can get through their collective heads that the R's and D's are the SAME when it comes to screwing you over for their own personal gain and the agenda of those who control both parties, THEN we can begin some coordination for the recovery of the American Republic.
  • aherbert MediaMike 2013/05/07 20:31:32
  • Average... MediaMike 2014/07/07 01:43:15
    Average Joe
    Socialism is what chugs this country's economic engine and always has ... http://m.dailykos.com/story/2...
  • MediaMike Average... 2014/07/12 15:45:10
    MediaMike
    Socialism is what dumbs-down and enslaves the masses as chattel for the few. Roosevelt was wrong. His actions (in coordination with the new bank cartel) turned a once-savvy, go anywhere, solve anything people, into a bunch of sheep.
  • FeelHood H. Obama~BN28 2013/05/03 17:02:35
    FeelHood H. Obama~BN28
    +2
    Minority Leader McConnell (R-KY) addresses the GOP Senate...

  • VoteOut 2013/05/02 18:11:51 (edited)
    VoteOut
    +4
    limited authoritarian government is fascist? the declaration of independence is a fascist document?
  • DRLJR VoteOut 2014/07/07 10:14:21
    DRLJR
    +1
    Show how much the "Left" or "Progressives" have distorted the facts.
  • Unicorns vs Narwhals 2013/05/02 17:28:43
    Unicorns vs Narwhals
    +2
    They are neither.
  • Arel 2013/05/02 15:00:46
    Arel
    +3
    They are neither. They are Constitutional Conservatives that believe in returning to the US Constitution as our law. Over the years the Progressives, Republican and Democrat, have tried to discredit them but then they don't want to follow the Constitution unless it serves their purpose.
  • sjalan Arel 2013/05/05 14:02:20
    sjalan
    +4
    And BLATANT OBSTRUCTIONIST ACTIONS in the US Senate is following the US CONSTITUTION??? NOPE Not in the least. BLATANTLY killing off the MIDDLE CLASS by killing jobs programs in the HOUSE is following the US CONSTITUTION?? NOPE Not int the least.

    THE NEW AMERICAN FASCIST PARTY AKA THE REPUBLICAN/TEA PARTY HAS TO GO.

    And while we are at it the American Nazi Party needs to go too.
  • FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2013/05/02 05:50:30
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +6
    Some points of Fascism from the 2004 Britt Study...

    1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism
    tea party descent
    tea party study fascism similarities 1 powerful continuing expressions nationalism

    2. Disdain for the importance of human rights
    tea party gay marriage

    3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
    ellison

    4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism
    tea party military
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    5. Rampant sexism
    tea party planned parenthood

    6. A controlled mass media



    7. Obsession with national security
    tea party border wall

    8. Religion and ruling elite tied together
    teabagging jesus

    9. Power of corporations protected




    10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
    wisconsin union
  • Psyblade FAWKES'... 2013/05/02 17:48:23
  • illinoyed 2013/05/02 05:47:06
    illinoyed
    +2
    fascist.
  • claona 2013/05/02 05:44:28
    claona
    +1
    Neither really... fascism and socialism have some credentials... even fascism(?)... the tea party exist in some weird whirlpool of insanity and idiocy. At least the 'whirlpool' is getting smaller as it gets flushed down the toilet bowl of history by the intelligence of the electorate. Bye Bye cretins!
  • Dave 2013/05/02 03:13:54
    Dave
    +5
    These Right Wingnut extremists are just simpletons that are willing to turn over their lives to the Koch Brothers or any corporatist. They don't like thinking critically. They want to live in a world like 1952 -- but have no clue what that would entail to get back to 1952.
  • Lady Wh... Dave 2013/05/02 11:09:16
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    Well said
  • Colbert 2013/05/02 02:15:23
    Colbert
    +6
    Fascism.
    tea party fascism
  • ~writersblock~ 2013/05/02 02:11:10
  • sjalan 2013/05/02 01:52:19
    sjalan
    +4
    "WHEN FASCISM COMES TO AMERICA, IT WILL BE WRAPPED IN THE FLAG AND CARRYING A CROSS" attributed to Sinclair Lewis, circa 1921
  • KG 2013/05/02 01:32:12
    KG
    +5
    What a stupid thing to ask.

    Fascism is the merger of corporate and state interests. Socialism directed by an system of body or legislators, that everyone must be a part of, IS FASCISM!

    Like Obamacare, no opting out? That is Fascism.

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