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Is The TEA PARTY More Fascist or Socialist ?

Che Guevara - Hero 2013/05/01 11:56:32

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Fascism

Socialism

Philosophy:

No single
philosophy. The state must gain glory through constant conquest, aka war.
Belief that the past was glorious, and that the State can be renewed.

From each according to his ability, to
each according to his contribution. Emphasis on profit being distributed
among the society or workforce in addition to receiving a wage.

Definition:

A government
system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly oppressing
opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry and emphasizing an
aggressive nationalism.

A theory or system of social
organization based on the holding of most property in common, with actual
ownership ascribed to the workers

Political System:

One charismatic leader has absolute
authority. Often the symbol of the state.

Multiple parties, but the ruling party
usually goes by the name "Socialist".

Social Structure:

Strict class structure believed
necessary to prevent chaos. Everyone has a specific, defined role. While a
certain race is considered superior, individuality among members of that race
is discouraged.

Class distinctions are diminished

Economic System:

Focused on glorifying and
strengthening the State. Both Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany attempted to
pursue self-sufficiency.

Wealth redistributed so that everyone
in society is given somewhat equal shares
of the benefits derived from labor, but people can earn more if they work
harder. Means of production are controlled by the workers themselves.

Free Choice:

The individual is considered
meaningless; they must be dedicated to the power of the State. Traditional gender roles are upheld.

All choices, including education, religion, employment
and marriage, are up to the individual.
All health care and education is provided
free to everybody

Ideas:

Union between businesses and the
State, with the state telling the business what to do, with private
ownership. Also Known as National-Socialism.

All people should be given an equal
opportunity to succeed. Workers should have most say in their factory's management.
The free market suffers from problems like
tragedy of the commons. Government regulation is necessary.

Private Property:

Permitted

two kinds of property, private
property, such as land, houses, clothing,
etc. owned by the individual. Public property, factories, and means of
production owned by the state but with worker control

Religion:

Against any kind of religion except
Nationalism – worship of the State.

freedom of religion

Economic Coordination:

People control businesses properly,
but Government makes business decisions.

Planned-Socialism relies principally
on planning to determine investment and
production decisions. Planning may be centralized or decentralized.
Market-socialism relies on markets for
allocating capital to different socially-owned enterprises.

Discrimination:

Belief in one superior race. Blames
society’s problems on members of other races or social groups.

The people are considered equal, laws
are made when necessary to protect people from discrimination

Political Movements:

Nazism, Falangism

Democratic Socialism, Communism,
Libertarian Socialism, Anarchism, Syndicalism

Key Proponents:

Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler

Robert Owen, Pierre Leroux, Karl Marx,
Fredrick Engels, John Stuart Mill, Albert Einstein, George Bernard Shaw, Leo
Tolstoy, Emma Goldman

Means of control:

Force and national fanaticism through
rallies etc.

Proletariat engages in taking charge
of the factories and means of production.

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  • MkB 2013/05/01 19:27:13
    MkB
    +18
    Depends on one's perception. For example...on the Communist Party USA homepage is this:

    "A better and peaceful world is possible — a world where people and nature come before profits. That’s socialism. That’s our vision. We are the Communist Party USA"

    This clearly states that communism is socialism.

    If I perceive the Coffee Party USA's call for a 'Third Reconstruction', I see 'Third Reich'.

    third reconstruction

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  • nerak611 2013/05/11 06:08:12
    nerak611
    Fascist. But why isn't crazy insane a choice?
  • MediaMike 2013/05/06 16:28:50
    MediaMike
    +1
    You've got some history to read. Fascism is when CORPORATIONS control all the assets, including the military (such as now under Bush & Obama and the past under Mussolini).
    Socialism is when the government controls all the assets, and the people individually own NOTHING. Communism is the extreme of Socialism. It is where there is a dictator, and usually when millions of his own people are killed while he is in power (Stalin, Hitler)
  • Falcon MediaMike 2013/05/08 19:35:36
    Falcon
    +1
    Pretty simplistic. Communism is when the government controls all the assets. Socialism is when tax money pays for police, roads, infrastructure, etc.

    Dictators can be far left Communist as with Stalin or far right Fascist as with Hitler. A dictator can also be anywhere in between as in what George Bush said he wanted.
  • MediaMike Falcon 2013/05/11 15:08:18
    MediaMike
    +1
    And all the men you mentioned killed millions.
  • Falcon MediaMike 2013/05/11 15:24:19
    Falcon
    I wouldn't say George Bush killed millions but tens of thousands died because of his lies.
  • Spizzzo BN-0 2013/05/06 10:34:04
    Spizzzo BN-0
    +3
    I refused to stick with this long list, but about halfway through here are my ideas:

    While the American Tea Party is NOT Sociialist, it IS authoritarian when it gets in power.

    Republicans hate liberty.
  • aherbert 2013/05/05 17:11:28
    aherbert
    +2
    Fascist

    gop fascist party gop fascist party
  • MediaMike aherbert 2013/05/06 16:23:55
    MediaMike
    YES, Yes, YES! AND a Democrat is too stupid to know they're a socialist/communist.

    Now if the general public can get through their collective heads that the R's and D's are the SAME when it comes to screwing you over for their own personal gain and the agenda of those who control both parties, THEN we can begin some coordination for the recovery of the American Republic.
  • aherbert MediaMike 2013/05/07 20:31:32
  • FeelHood H. Obama~BN28 2013/05/03 17:02:35
    FeelHood H. Obama~BN28
    +1
    Minority Leader McConnell (R-KY) addresses the GOP Senate...

  • VoteOut 2013/05/02 18:11:51 (edited)
    VoteOut
    +2
    limited authoritarian government is fascist? the declaration of independence is a fascist document?
  • Unicorns vs Narwhals 2013/05/02 17:28:43
    Unicorns vs Narwhals
    +1
    They are neither.
  • Arel 2013/05/02 15:00:46
    Arel
    +1
    They are neither. They are Constitutional Conservatives that believe in returning to the US Constitution as our law. Over the years the Progressives, Republican and Democrat, have tried to discredit them but then they don't want to follow the Constitution unless it serves their purpose.
  • sjalan Arel 2013/05/05 14:02:20
    sjalan
    +4
    And BLATANT OBSTRUCTIONIST ACTIONS in the US Senate is following the US CONSTITUTION??? NOPE Not in the least. BLATANTLY killing off the MIDDLE CLASS by killing jobs programs in the HOUSE is following the US CONSTITUTION?? NOPE Not int the least.

    THE NEW AMERICAN FASCIST PARTY AKA THE REPUBLICAN/TEA PARTY HAS TO GO.

    And while we are at it the American Nazi Party needs to go too.
  • FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2013/05/02 05:50:30
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +6
    Some points of Fascism from the 2004 Britt Study...

    1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism
    tea party descent
    tea party study fascism similarities 1 powerful continuing expressions nationalism

    2. Disdain for the importance of human rights
    tea party gay marriage

    3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
    ellison

    4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism
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    5. Rampant sexism
    tea party planned parenthood

    6. A controlled mass media



    7. Obsession with national security
    tea party border wall

    8. Religion and ruling elite tied together
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    9. Power of corporations protected




    10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
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  • Psyblade FAWKES'... 2013/05/02 17:48:23
  • illinoyed 2013/05/02 05:47:06
    illinoyed
    +1
    fascist.
  • claona 2013/05/02 05:44:28
    claona
    +1
    Neither really... fascism and socialism have some credentials... even fascism(?)... the tea party exist in some weird whirlpool of insanity and idiocy. At least the 'whirlpool' is getting smaller as it gets flushed down the toilet bowl of history by the intelligence of the electorate. Bye Bye cretins!
  • Dave 2013/05/02 03:13:54
    Dave
    +5
    These Right Wingnut extremists are just simpletons that are willing to turn over their lives to the Koch Brothers or any corporatist. They don't like thinking critically. They want to live in a world like 1952 -- but have no clue what that would entail to get back to 1952.
  • Lady Wh... Dave 2013/05/02 11:09:16
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    Well said
  • Colbert 2013/05/02 02:15:23
    Colbert
    +6
    Fascism.
    tea party fascism
  • ~writersblock~ 2013/05/02 02:11:10
  • sjalan 2013/05/02 01:52:19
    sjalan
    +3
    "WHEN FASCISM COMES TO AMERICA, IT WILL BE WRAPPED IN THE FLAG AND CARRYING A CROSS" attributed to Sinclair Lewis, circa 1921
  • KG 2013/05/02 01:32:12
    KG
    +4
    What a stupid thing to ask.

    Fascism is the merger of corporate and state interests. Socialism directed by an system of body or legislators, that everyone must be a part of, IS FASCISM!

    Like Obamacare, no opting out? That is Fascism.
  • Che Gue... KG 2013/05/02 03:15:08
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +4
    I guess Car Insurance,, a Drivers License, Hunting License, and Homeowners Insurance is fascism too Einstein, ? ROFL
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/lecs...
  • KG Che Gue... 2013/05/04 01:16:53
    KG
    Those are completely different. LOL

    Driving on ones own land doesn't require a STATE license to do so, neither is driving forced on someone, along with hunting and home owners insurance in all cases especially when its owned.

    This mandated insurance is different, all humans in the country are now bound by this, as are the businesses that did not get the exemptions.

    We are forced into transactions for the rest of our lives? Now that sounds like something. Fascism?

    I suggest you go over political science and you'll see fascism is NOT exclusive to either a conservative or liberal agenda. It can coincide together. However it CANNOT accompany an individual liberty society based on a set republic.

    An economy however, can either be free market or centralized planning. Only one must be fascist to work properly and that is central planning. Like the USSR, fascist like no other but socialist. Never works because intelligent humans crave freedom and enrichment, which is why there is always a black market in communist or central planned socialist societies. And they've always failed.
  • RogerCoppock 2013/05/02 00:21:06
    RogerCoppock
    +6
    Yes, the 'Tea Party' is Fascist not Socialist.

    Why does anyone need to ask this question?
  • Zachary Smith 2013/05/01 23:46:37 (edited)
    Zachary Smith
    +10
    I associate the Tea Party (and the Republican party) with economic terrorism.
  • Lady Wh... Zachary... 2013/05/02 11:10:26
    Lady Whitewolf
    +3
    Me too. Their "Hooray for the wealthy and F*** the poor" attitude sucks.
  • KG Zachary... 2013/05/04 01:23:26
    KG
    Economic terrorism is Quantitative Easing, QE1, QE2, QE UNLIMITED !

    But you WONT hear that on TV.
  • Zachary... KG 2013/05/04 01:34:52
    Zachary Smith
    If that money made it into local economies, I think that would be much better.
  • ProVega 2013/05/01 22:21:55
    ProVega
    +5
    Fascist. That was easy.
  • Jensenmk 2013/05/01 21:33:43
    Jensenmk
    +3
    Well, seeing as your many of 'definitions' (on both sides) are completely inaccurate; and your question is logically flawed, this question is not answereable with the choices provided.
  • bipolarbear 2013/05/01 21:25:53
    bipolarbear
    +7
    Decidedly fascist. Do we all get a prize for being correct?
  • Che Gue... bipolar... 2013/05/01 21:27:57
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +8
    Yes, you get a gold star for the day. Great Job !
    gold star
  • bipolar... Che Gue... 2013/05/01 21:29:08
    bipolarbear
    +3
    I will treasure it always. LOL.
  • MkB 2013/05/01 19:27:13
    MkB
    +18
    Depends on one's perception. For example...on the Communist Party USA homepage is this:

    "A better and peaceful world is possible — a world where people and nature come before profits. That’s socialism. That’s our vision. We are the Communist Party USA"

    This clearly states that communism is socialism.

    If I perceive the Coffee Party USA's call for a 'Third Reconstruction', I see 'Third Reich'.

    third reconstruction
  • chucky 2013/05/01 18:37:51
    chucky
    +17
    No they are not fascists.Here we have an example of a left wing fascist.
    loon
  • Che Gue... chucky 2013/05/01 18:41:59
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +9
    FYI - A Liberal can't be a Fascist. He has to be one or the other Einstein. lol
  • chucky Che Gue... 2013/05/01 19:30:07
    chucky
    +11
    I believe LWNJ's are liberal fascists,because that is exactly what you are.

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