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Carol 2011/09/16 20:01:41
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The tea party has been beleaguered since it began to nationally organize in 2009 with the general perception that it was a bastion of conservative ethnocentric racist lunatic fringers. It also seemed to draw from the far right of the Republican Party that openly shouted racial slurs and hateful slogans about liberals, then-Sen. Barack Obama and their ties with socialism at McCain-Palin rallies in the ramp-up to the 2008 general election.

But since its acceptance as a legitimate political movement after the Republican takeover of the House of Representatives following the 2010 midterm elections, it has managed to keep much of the generalizing and stereotyping at bay, although the adherence to strict and intransigent political positioning during the summer debate over raising the debt ceiling (the tea party position was to get spending cuts only to combat the federal fiscal budgetary issues and not raise the debt ceiling at all)cost the movement some popularity points in the polls.

Still, incidents such as the one in Tampa at the debate do not do much to further disseminate the message of individual liberty, less government, less regulation, and less taxation.

They display a callous disregard for humanity at such moments that then reflects poorly on the movement as a whole, reinforcing the stereotypes and generalizations already prevalent the tea party consists of disgruntled, self-important, self-interested, ethnocentric anti-nihilists that have theirs, will protect what is theirs at all costs, and will deny passionately that society or "others" had anything to do with their success or social positioning.

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  • misterz 2011/09/20 17:50:15
    Yes
    misterz
  • Carol 2011/09/18 21:06:17
    Yes
    Carol
    Ensuring affordable health care for everyone seemed to be on the forbidden list, even for Mitt Romney, who had tried to do exactly that as governor of Massachusetts. Every one of the candidates vehemently insisted, with predictably enthusiastic applause, that President Obama's health care reform must go, immediately, if not sooner. And just as predictably, none of them suggested how to provide affordable health care to the roughly 50 million Americans who lack coverage -- a number that reached a new record last month.

    Indeed, when CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer asked whether a young man lacking private health insurance should simply be allowed to die if he suddenly suffered an accident or illness, some audience members screamed "yes!" Many of the rest cheered, while the would-be presidents stood by woodenly, without the dignity of a demurral.

    It was a revealing moment that may foretell a new and meaner Republican platform: If you lose your job and your health care, don't expect any help, except perhaps from the church. And if your innocent kids get sick, too bad for them. Forget about Medicare, Medicaid and any American who can't afford private insurance. This is a free country -- so don't get sick
  • Shadow13 2011/09/17 14:37:12
    Yes
    Shadow13
    +3
    They are heartless, spineless, and brainless.
  • Carol Shadow13 2011/09/17 15:47:44
    Carol
    +3
    That wraps it up.
  • Che Guevara - Hero 2011/09/17 03:53:17
    Yes
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +4
    Capitalism is a parasite that feeds off the labor of others to fill the pockets of the wealthy.
    capitalism parasite feeds labor pockets wealthy capitalism sucks
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Che Gue... 2011/09/17 03:55:17
  • Che Gue... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2011/09/17 04:04:55
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Che Gue... 2011/09/17 04:35:21
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +3
    amen egyptian god Amen The Egyptian God
  • KSolove 2011/09/17 02:57:43
    Undecided
    KSolove
    +2
    Some are some aren't. I have seen plenty of both, especially here in AZ.
  • luvguins 2011/09/17 02:18:54
    Undecided
    luvguins
    +5
    Too bad they have been made extremists by the libertarian Koch brothers and the right wing of the GOP. They are like a bunch of angry birds now, and their elected reps are too militant on issues.
  • CAROLYN NTARWNJBS 2011/09/17 02:12:45
    Yes
    CAROLYN NTARWNJBS
    +3
    I can generalize and say,no heart.
  • realityjunkie 2011/09/17 00:03:59
    Yes
    realityjunkie
    +12
    Video proof!


  • luvguins reality... 2011/09/17 02:12:13
    luvguins
    +7
    That was disgusting to watch again.
  • Smitten... luvguins 2011/09/17 02:34:42
  • luvguins Smitten... 2011/09/17 02:48:54
    luvguins
    +7
    Me too. Should we be surprised though from how progressives and liberals get treated here.
  • Smitten... luvguins 2011/09/17 02:59:18
  • luvguins Smitten... 2011/09/17 03:41:31
    luvguins
    +6
    Feel sometimes you're getting lip from teenage brats don't you?
  • Smitten... luvguins 2011/09/17 14:06:40
  • reality... luvguins 2011/09/17 05:39:41
    realityjunkie
    +3
    Yep. Heartless SOB's.
  • Che Gue... reality... 2011/09/17 03:50:16
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +5
    All I can say is that it is a good thing I wasn't there when the gentleman with Parkinson's Disease was accosted. Karma has a way of dealing with these people though.
    gentleman parkinsons disease accosted karma dealing people
  • reality... Che Gue... 2011/09/17 05:38:28
    realityjunkie
    +3
    I agree Che. I hope sooner than later. Karma always comes around.
  • Scott Che Gue... 2011/09/17 13:04:40
    Scott
    Hey tough guy - I'm glad the EXISTING healthcare system was able to get Bob his $150,000 surgery. Especially since under Obama-Care he would likely be thrown under the bus by the beauraucrat committee to be set up and evaluate who gets needed care and who doesn't. Those who have a chance to "contribute their fair share" will get care. Guys like poor Bob, ... well everyone has to sacrafice - right Obama?
  • Che Gue... Scott 2011/09/17 13:21:32
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +4
    You need to post your fantasy, conspiracy garbage in the UFO, Bigfoot, and UFO section of SH.
    post fantasy conspiracy garbage ufo bigfoot ufo sh UFO Bigfoot
  • Scott Che Gue... 2011/09/17 13:45:41
    Scott
    Go ahead Che. Sweep more truth under the rug. It's a signature of a loyal Obamunist!
  • Che Gue... Scott 2011/09/17 14:20:24 (edited)
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +4
    A QUOTE for one of your own RWNJ sites even says you are full of SH*T. lol

    "We've looked at the inflammatory claims that the health care bill encourages euthanasia. It doesn't. There's certainly no "death board" that determines the worthiness of individuals to receive care. Conservatives might make a case that Palin is justified in fearing that the current reform could one day morph into such a board."
    http://www.politifact.com/tru...

    Now skedaddle back over to Teabagger Central and take a reality pill.
    board httpwww politifact comtru skedaddle teabagger central reality pill Koch Tea Party
  • Scott Che Gue... 2011/09/18 13:32:35
    Scott
    Tsk,tsk - who is a potty mouth progressive? You are! Yes you are!

    What's the matter Che? Does the truth make you so angry that you have to resort to tirades and foul language?

    Well, take a break from reading daily blogs about what loyal Obamunists are supposed to say, and learn some facts!

    IPAB is the death panel. IPAB is rationing of health care. And again, just to tell you what it is, “The Independent Payment Advisory Board, 15 members appointed by the president. Its recommendations for cuts in Medicare services or for reductions in reimbursement will not be subject to congressional approval but will take effect by administrative fiat. Right now.” Obama’s Medicare cuts, the death panels, the rationing, starts now.

    It's just part of Obama's plan to take more and more power away from our elected leadership (That would be Congress, Che) and put it in the hands of bureaucrats and czars that don't have to answer to anyone; well except to Soros of course.

    There are movements afoot led by health care care professionals, Republicans and even some Democrats to repeal IPAB.

    Oh, don't worry Che, I won't rub your nose in your own ignorance. Like so many of Obama's treasoness and unsavory actions, the whole matter is under reported. But, what is the propaganda medi to do? Report the truth so Obamunists lose faith in "The One"?
  • Che Gue... Scott 2011/09/18 16:54:24
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +2
    As I said before please post your "Death Panel" stories over in the UFO, Bigfoot, Black Helicopter, and UFO section of SH. You conspiracy theories are laughable at best. Even the clowns running for Republican Nominee have given it up. People like yourself are doing the Teabaggers more harm than good. And for this I thank you.
  • Scott Che Gue... 2011/09/19 12:40:45
    Scott
    The truth is very difficult to accept because it requires a person to be accountable for what is going on in their life. Being held accountable for anything just goes against the nature of a progressive.

    If a person chooses not to see what is going on, they don't have to deal with it. This is a very destructive behavior and it can lead one down a path that is not only lonely but nothing in life will seem to go well.

    For your own good Che, wake up and smell the traitors.
  • Carol Scott 2011/09/19 16:40:25
    Carol
    A truth is an established fact. You are again expressing opinion.
  • Scott Carol 2011/09/19 16:51:45
    Scott
    Thanks for jumping in the middle of a conversation with Che!

    The existence of the IPAB is a fact, not an opinion.
  • Carol Scott 2011/09/18 16:54:46
    Carol
    +2
    You wish to talk about death panels, here is a real one.
    Gov. Grim Reaper and the fallen angels of the Republican-controlled Legislature do not like being called a death panel.

    But that is what they are.

    If elected officials make budget decisions that determine whether sick people live or die - and they choose the latter - they are a death panel.


    If, in turn, Gov. Jan Brewer (with the blessing of those same dark angels) chooses to take an expensive trip to Washington to attend a Supreme Court hearing at which she cannot speak and during which the state's lawyers defend an employer-sanctions law that has been completely ineffective - and she does this rather than call a special session to address the needs of seriously ill citizens - then, yes, death panel is the appropriate description.

    It could be that legislators will change their minds and decide to renew funding for the life-saving transplant operations that had been eliminated for some AHCCCS patients.

    Some seem to be leaning that way.

    But the governor says that she first wants them to come up with a solution to the state's $1 billion budget deficit.

    It's a cruel political card to play.

    The budgetary savings projected from allowing gravely ill working people to die for lack of transplants has been described as somewhere between $1...









    You wish to talk about death panels, here is a real one.
    Gov. Grim Reaper and the fallen angels of the Republican-controlled Legislature do not like being called a death panel.

    But that is what they are.

    If elected officials make budget decisions that determine whether sick people live or die - and they choose the latter - they are a death panel.


    If, in turn, Gov. Jan Brewer (with the blessing of those same dark angels) chooses to take an expensive trip to Washington to attend a Supreme Court hearing at which she cannot speak and during which the state's lawyers defend an employer-sanctions law that has been completely ineffective - and she does this rather than call a special session to address the needs of seriously ill citizens - then, yes, death panel is the appropriate description.

    It could be that legislators will change their minds and decide to renew funding for the life-saving transplant operations that had been eliminated for some AHCCCS patients.

    Some seem to be leaning that way.

    But the governor says that she first wants them to come up with a solution to the state's $1 billion budget deficit.

    It's a cruel political card to play.

    The budgetary savings projected from allowing gravely ill working people to die for lack of transplants has been described as somewhere between $1.4 million and $5 million for a year.

    Arizona's budget is about $8.5 billion.

    Does anyone doubt that a determined budget cutter could find other ways to trim those billions without condemning sick people to death?

    Particularly since even some of those who supported the cuts now admit that they may have based their decisions on statistics about survival rates that weren't exactly accurate.



    Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/ariz...
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  • Scott Carol 2011/09/19 13:02:03
    Scott
    Well, what do you know? I was right! Government shouldn't be involved in healthcare!
  • Carol Scott 2011/09/18 16:57:43
    Carol
    +1
    If you want to talk truth get some facts.

    Here’s how IPAB works:

    15 experts including doctors and patient advocates would be nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate to serve on IPAB.
    IPAB would recommend policies to Congress to help Medicare provide better care at lower costs. This could include ideas on coordinating care, getting rid of waste in the system, incentivizing best practices, and prioritizing primary care.
    IPAB is specifically prohibited by law from recommending any policies that ration care, raise taxes, increase premiums or cost-sharing, restrict benefits or modify who is eligible for Medicare.
    Congress then has the power to accept or reject these recommendations. If Congress rejects the recommendations, and Medicare spending exceeds specific targets, Congress must either enact policies that achieve equivalent savings or let the Secretary of Health and Human Services follow IPAB’s recommendations.
  • Scott Carol 2011/09/19 13:14:13
    Scott
    OK, let's pretend that we have a preident that would neveroverstep his bounds or neglect the Constitution. (I know that's a stretch, but play with me here for a moment.)

    What IPAB is most likely to do to control costs is to cut provider payments. (Payments to doctors This, in turn, will lead to reductions in access to care. Indeed today, seniors find it harder to find providers willing to take Medicare than 15 years ago and the IPAB has yet to even be appointed, much less issued its recommendations to Congress.

    Government does not belong in healthcare.
  • Carol Scott 2011/09/19 16:43:12
    Carol
    Hello, the healthcare bill, means you buy private insurance. And lets pretend that you can spell.
  • Scott Carol 2011/09/19 16:59:21
    Scott
    I am so flustered that I made a spelling error that you have caught. Oh, my, how will I ever recover from this humiliation. (Yawn)

    The healthcare bill MANDATES that you buy insurance. It also manipulates the cost of healthcare upwards and pushes healthcare providers out of the industry. Private insurance is already skyrocketing in cost to a point that businesses are reluctant to hire new people, and / or offer health insurance.

    Government should not be involved with healthcare. It's a ploy to control some of the most important and private areas of our lives.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Che Gue... 2011/09/17 18:49:22
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +3
    hey UFos are real and Bigfoot thats just a redneck who hasnt showered
  • Che Gue... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2011/09/17 22:33:00
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +1
    Or a redneck's wife perhaps. lol
  • Juanb reality... 2011/09/17 09:10:58 (edited)
  • reality... Juanb 2011/09/18 20:31:03
    realityjunkie
    +1
    Well put Bill!

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