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Is The SuperPAC Ad Regarding The Consequences of Bain Capital's Driving A Steel Plant Out of Business Fair?

ProudProgressive 2012/08/09 18:56:10
Yes It's Fair.  The Facts are the Facts.
No It's Unfair.  It was just a coincidence.
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Ever since the Supreme Court legalized buying American elections with their decision in the Citizens United case, Americans have been subjected to a flood of ads from so-called Super PACs. The majority of these ads have been designed to attack President Obama and further the candidacy of Mitt Romney, and numerous ads have been condemned for their inaccuracies, like ads that falsely claim that the President wants to eliminate the work requirements for welfare recipients, false claims that the President wants to restrict military voting, and the Breitbartesque classic, distorting the President's own words to falsely claim that the President does not believe that a business owner built his own business.

There have also been ads coming from Super PACs that support President Obama, though far less in number and far closer to reality. A recent ad which describes the impact Bain Capital's destruction of an American business had on real human beings has been getting a lot of press coverage lately, with the Right Wing Media falsely claiming that the ad accuses Mitt Romney of being responsible for a woman's death.

Do you think this ad is fair or not? Please watch the ad and then comment if you wish.



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  • themadhare ~IJM 2012/08/09 19:50:54
    No It's Unfair. It was just a coincidence.
    themadhare ~IJM
    +27
    Their use of innuendo doesn't get them off the hook. They are tying the wife's death to Ronmey's economic decision; there is nothing false about the media's declaration that they are doing so.

    The plant was closed for predominantly technological reasons. Open hearth, forced air plants were being replaced by newer forced oxygen steel mills, mostly in Japan and other Asian countries.

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  • Jack Sprat ProudPr... 2012/08/11 21:59:22
    Jack Sprat
    Mittens took a "leave of absence", hell even "most" liberals know what they are in 1999 and then officially left bain in 2001, but don't let the facts stop the lying.
  • sjalan 2012/08/10 16:33:42 (edited)
    Yes It's Fair. The Facts are the Facts.
    sjalan
    +4
    Sure Alls Fair in Love War and Politics.

    As for what Bain Capital did to the Steel Plant. Let's give it a REAL NAME not just "the steel plant" IT WAS CALLED GTS STEEL in Kansas City

    750 Real People worked there, men, women and their children. A Real Community depended upon that company.

    What did Bain Capital do. Well like every other Vulture Capitalistic the first thing they did was Mortage the place to the hilt. Then after they siphoned off that money they raided the retirement and health care funds, sold all the other real assets and the bankrupted the company when there was nothing left to suck out of it.

    Bain Capital was just one of many of the owners of the old Armco Steel Plant. Each sucked out what they wanted and left the rest.

    The result one of the few USA Steel Plants that made rebar was out of business.

    And from his Vulture Capitalistic actions ROMNEY STILL GETS A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR A YEAR RETIREMENT PAYMENT FROM BAIN CAPITAL.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/1...

    DO WE REALLY WANT TO GIVE HIM ANOTHER RETIREMENT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER!!!!!!

    MY ANSWER IS NO, NEVER!!!!!!! NOT WITH MY TAX DOLLARS!!!!
  • Old Salt sjalan 2012/08/10 18:49:06
  • sjalan Old Salt 2012/08/10 20:08:11
    sjalan
    +3
    So you don't really care that Romney is a liar and a theif and you are willing to put HIM into office?

    You're really screwed up.
  • Old Salt sjalan 2012/08/11 02:52:25
  • Charu ∞... sjalan 2012/08/11 14:00:21
    Charu ∞ijm♥∞
    +1
    It is the exact opposite of what you stated and all obama's lies can be proven as lies.
  • sjalan Charu ∞... 2012/08/11 20:39:40
    sjalan
    +1
    State the "lies" you say have been made and then state what it was that was the "lie"
  • Jack Sprat sjalan 2012/08/11 22:18:18 (edited)
    Jack Sprat
    +1
    Here is a Lie......




  • Charu ∞... Jack Sprat 2012/08/11 22:59:07
    Charu ∞ijm♥∞
    +1
    Thank you Jack.....those were what I was going to post. :)
  • Jack Sprat Charu ∞... 2012/08/11 23:50:30 (edited)
    Jack Sprat
    +1
    You have quite a bit of the filler, I would like to copy, and yes, we both know they hate it when they're caught breaking the cookie jar.

    The proof didn't show up for some reason. 1:31 is were Joe and Steph "get to gether", this was last may, and Lil' joe was also in an ad for the campaign, if the Reps can proove it Burton and Cutter may be spending some time with the other Dum Politicians in Illinois prisons.
  • Jack Sprat Jack Sprat 2012/08/12 00:16:54
    Jack Sprat
    +1
    Here is the proof 1:31





  • Charu ∞... Jack Sprat 2012/08/12 03:30:55
    Charu ∞ijm♥∞
    awwwwwww......too bad though that Romney had left Bain a couple of years before wasn't it. So maybe he should be bad mouthing the REAL owner of Bain.
  • Charu ∞... sjalan 2012/08/11 22:58:28
    Charu ∞ijm♥∞
    +1
    lol...no need to as jack has provided exactly what I was going to post so read below.......I am sure yor ears will lie to you too.
  • Idiot repubs 2012/08/10 16:25:03
    Yes It's Fair. The Facts are the Facts.
    Idiot repubs
    +3
    Of course it's fair, Romney doesn't care what he lies about or who he destroys in order to make a buck.
  • Old Salt Idiot r... 2012/08/10 18:50:15
  • sjalan Old Salt 2012/08/10 20:15:33
    sjalan
    +1
    Well OS, you really are not reading the news report well, Can you read. The Obama Administration is NOT the one who is putting Mr Soptic on the TV in an ad. It is Priorities America, a super pak that is out of the control of the Obama Campaign and the Obama Administration.

    As for Mr Soptic, he has been criticizing Romney for several years now a since BAIN CAPITAL sucked the life out of Armco/GST Steel and bankrupted it, killed the man's wife because Bain Capital raided the Steel Companies health care plan of all it's assets and raided the retirement fund both before declaring bankruptcy.

    I've told you this before, you really should do your research BEFORE you come on here and make a total fool of yourself.
  • Old Salt sjalan 2012/08/11 02:57:27
  • ProudPr... Old Salt 2012/08/11 13:39:32
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    So they knew him? They didn't create the ad, they aren't running the ad and they aren't paying for the ad. And you know what? There's not a single untrue word in the ad. The Right Wing Media has once again led you Obama haters by the nose and made up bullsh*t about murder accusations that don't exist, because they know you'll believe anything that attacks the President.
  • Wilde~MoonChild ™ 2012/08/10 15:51:38
    Yes It's Fair. The Facts are the Facts.
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
    +6
    What would make it 'unfair'?
    Its true, its in response to Romney running around talking about how qualified he is because of his business record and ability to create jobs. I ask, what part is unfair? I don't see it!
    Conservatives claiming it accuses Romney for the death of this woman is some twisted form of guilt, I'd like to believe anyway.
    We all know when people lose their jobs bad things can and usually do happen, BUT to think this company, more than likely closed so OTHERS could make a profit, should change the discussion. What kind of America do we want to be? This could happen to any one of us, so I have no idea why we're fighting about it and not just soaking it in.... IMO
  • ☆Sheila☆ 2012/08/10 14:52:31
    Undecided
    ☆Sheila☆
    +5
    IT IS A LIE. Simple enough? LOL, not that a lib is capable of recognizing a lie even when it is as blatant as this one was...

    But that is ok, it will bite O in the ass in the end so it is all good.
  • ProudPr... ☆Sheila☆ 2012/08/11 13:40:38
    ProudProgressive
    There's not a single untrue word in the entire ad. I don't suppose you've actually bothered to watch the ad, since all you're doing is repeating the usual Right Wing disinformation.
  • ☆Sheila☆ ProudPr... 2012/08/13 16:00:09
    ☆Sheila☆
    LOL and the DTV commercials where the catch line is "dont let your grandson wear a dog collar" or "dont wake up in a roadside ditch" are 100% true as well. And just as NOT REAL as this!! Follows the same kind of "logic" though......
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/08/10 13:37:32
    Undecided
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +4
    It is a lie from start to finish - no decent person should defend it in any way.

    It does show the deep fear of democrats for this election.
  • ProudPr... Jackie ... 2012/08/11 13:42:17
    ProudProgressive
    There's not a single untrue word in the entire ad, Jackie. Joe Soptic is simply one of the thousands of people whose lives were ruined by Mitt Romney's greed, people that he doesn't give a damn about as long as he can make a profit. I don't know about you, but I don't understand how anyone could vote for a candidate like Romney who considers you disposable in the interests of his profits.
  • Jackie ... ProudPr... 2012/08/11 14:31:51
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +2
    It is a complete lie - Purposeful deception is a lie - this is purposeful lying. And you know it. He had insurance for two years and she had insurance on her own - he lost his job after Romney left and had nothing to do with his job loss, and had nothing to do with her death some 6-7 years later - It is, in the words of prominent democrats, a despicable ad that is false on every level.

    Bain company has a 80% success rate in saving companies on the brink of collapse and using their own money vs Obama, using taxpayers hard earned money, 'invests' in his donors companies and 'enjoys' an 80% failure rate - thousands cast adrift and taxpayer dollars lost for all time. 23 million now unemployed, underemployed and just plain given up - this is Obama

    I don't understand how anyone can consider a complete incompetent who has given us 42 months of 8+% unemployment, 23 million unemployed, underemployed and given up, a GDP sliding down to now 1.5 and a debt/deficit rising at a rate never seen in the recorded history of this nation. Obama and his administration operate like the chicago thugs that they are - they have no decency and this nation deserves much much better. This ad is who they are - scum.
  • ACE 2012/08/10 12:24:57
    No It's Unfair. It was just a coincidence.
    ACE
    +6
    no facts involved
  • flrdsgns ACE 2012/08/10 16:19:24
    flrdsgns
    +2
    It's a fact that the steel plant did close. It is also a fact that the man's wife did die of cancer.
    I agree the ad insinuates that the plant closing is directly responsible for her death, even though her death was 5 years later.
    There are enough facts to defeat Romney without having to stretch those facts to make it appear worse than it is.
  • ACE flrdsgns 2012/08/12 01:19:50
    ACE
    the plant was kepf open for 5 additional years becouse of Romney. the loser had another job and refused their insurance. his wife had a job and could have had her own insurance. so show me some real facts.
  • Beverly 2012/08/10 12:11:07
    No It's Unfair. It was just a coincidence.
    Beverly
    +7
    THis is the most disgusting ad I have seen in any campaign. Obama's team lied about knowing about it and Mitt had left the company 5 years prior to the woman dying. The man was offered a benefit package when he left the company which he declined. His wife had insurance where she worked as well. This is as low as any super Pac has gone. I just wish Mitt would come out and fight fire with fire. The only way to win with Chicago politics is to be as nasty as they are.
  • ProudPr... Beverly 2012/08/11 13:43:24
    ProudProgressive
    The Obama team didn't know anything about this ad. It's true they were familiar with Mr. Soptic and his story (as he has been telling it for years in hopes that people would realize the consequences of Mitt Romney's greed), but they weren't involved in the production of the ad.
  • Beverly ProudPr... 2012/08/11 16:39:10
    Beverly
    +1
    Did you not see the tape where the head of Obama's smear campaign was with Mr. Soptic as he was being taped? Keep up with the news before you speak as it makes you look foolish when the proof is out there.
  • The Birdman ~ PWCM~JLA 2012/08/10 07:33:24
    No It's Unfair. It was just a coincidence.
    The Birdman ~ PWCM~JLA
    +8
    They've already been caught Lying and twisting the truth, some things never change with you lying, cheating libturds! It goes all the way up to the top and all through the DNC! You know O-Baloney can't win without dirty tactics or outright lies, so the liars bubble up from out of the MUCK, like Reid, and Pelosi, but they take their orders from the LIAR-IN-CHIEF!!
    democrats are liars democrats are liars
    democrats are liars
    democrats are liars
  • flrdsgns The Bir... 2012/08/10 16:21:00
    flrdsgns
    +3
    Oh, get over yourself, both sides are playing fast and loose with facts. Both sides are smearing the other. Super pacs should be banned, but hey, you repubs think corporations are people too...
  • Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/08/10 03:36:19
    Undecided
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +6
    Wasn't that Obama bundler in charge of Bain when this all went down? It's a sad commentary when people believe that Bain just came in to thriving companies and sold them out. I guess the fact that she had insurance after her husband lost his job (isn't that called retirement after 30 years) for two years doesn't matter when you're trying to make a political point. Or for that matter that she died six years afterward?

    Too bad that the Obama campaign was caught in the lie that they knew nothing of Joe Soptic when he was featured in a previous ad. The whole story is a big fat lie. I guess that's what you have to do when your record SUCKS!
  • ProudPr... Gracie ... 2012/08/11 13:46:44
    ProudProgressive
    Bain did come in to thriving companies and sold them out. THAT's the point of the ad. Romney's vulture capital was concerned only with his profit margin and never gave a moment's thought to the thousands of lives they destroyed in the process. This ad isn't about Mitt Romney killing someone. That's just the usual Right Wing spin. The ad is about Mitt Romney's obliviousness to the consequences of his greed, and about the collateral damage that such an attitude would cause if he were ever in a position of authority.
  • Gracie ... ProudPr... 2012/08/12 02:11:44
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Nice spin...the ad is bogus, entirely bogus.
  • Michaelene 2012/08/10 02:42:48
    Undecided
    Michaelene
    +8
    Here comes the Obama attack dogs, lying, threatening, slanderous scum bags like Stephanie whatshername of the Obama campaign.
    Time to get out the atytack dogs and sick em on Obama and his appointees, czars, et al.
    Show America how he did this to Clinton too. The ends justify the means in this Marxists campaign.
    Obama's numerous superpacs are out there with thousands of idiots repeating the same rhetoric and the union dogs haven't even started yet. Shame on that man for desecrating his wife's memory like this political attack.
  • Idiot r... Michaelene 2012/08/10 16:27:10
    Idiot repubs
    +3
    Just like the GOP's attack dogs, the difference is that Obama isn't going to sit back and let the shady money attack him like Kerry did.
  • Michaelene Idiot r... 2012/08/10 17:09:51
    Michaelene
    +3
    Kerry? What's his net worth? Why was it ok for that multimillionaire to only show 1 year of tax returns? Kerry is a lying dg who hurt our veterans while standing by Hanoi Jane, two POS! Both should rot. Kerry's fellow troops told the truth about that traitor.

    Obama ran a disgraceful campaign in 2008 against Hillary Clinton and those who endorsed her. The CBC physically threatened Tavis Smiley, Stephanie Tubbs Jones and other black Americans calling them Uncle Tom's, hankerchief heads and other slurs. If that's how he treats his fellow democrats, he has proven with this ad, that there are no boundaries he will not cross to trash Romney.

    But the worst thing he has done is to attack average Americans, to lie about taxing them, to lie about ending war when we are in more "military actions" than when he became POTUS, and to ensure that our nation's instability will hurt businesses, leaving America with 5.5 MILLION less jobs than the day he started.

    Here is the real Obama, inept, inexperienced and unable to lead the nation. This is why we cannot recover with this POTUS.
  • Jack Sprat Michaelene 2012/08/11 23:54:53 (edited)
    Jack Sprat
    +1
    I like the one were Iran poses no threats, he wanted to pull our troops in 2006 and rolled out the "mission accomplished" in 2009.

    What a lying switch back.

    Great pick.

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