Grandma will be a hell of a lot better off under Romney with Medicare untouched than under Obama with half of Medicare funds being bled off to pay for socialized medicine.
Oslime eliminated Medicare Part C for everyone except Florida citizens (left them alone to get the Florida senators' votes). Since I don't live in Florida, my insurance will go up about $165 a month.
Any senior who votes for Oslime is brain-dead and ripe for his death panels.
Matter fact Obama stole 716 Billion $$$ from Medicare and allocated it to his Obamascam then counted that sum twice. If Obama has his way, soon there will be NO Medicare, everyone will be on his WORTHLESS big GOVERNMENT, Obamacare instead. That Obamacare bill - Obama does not see fit for himself, his congress minions, Muslims or his union sheeple! That socialism for you, get the hard workers only, to pay for worthless HC for everyone.
No it's jumping in the drivers seat and trying to get this thing under control. They will save the bus from going over the cliff and taking America with it.
I am glad a lot of thought went into the selection of answers. I have no clue where the media comes up with this crap without proof. Barry is the worst thing to happen to the health care in the country ever. Stop drinking the kool-aid and educate yourself.
I consider that healthcare should be affordable for all, including elderly people.
An accident or a disease can happen to anybody, and a decent coverage of the medical costs for treatments, surgery or medecine can prevent many people from being ruined when they must suddenly face high expenses.
While that is true this obamacare will not help and based on what my SO and others I know in the healthcare industry it will hurt. My So is in patient financial services and the hospital is already losing money with it and insurance companies are rejecting more claims while the government is forcing the hospitals and healthcare providers to suck it up and eat the loses
I know that such questions cannot be resolved easily.
We are also having polemics about rising hospital treatment and medicine costs, but the hospitals are getting support from their municipalities, and they rationalise as much as possible, especially with generica and shared units. There are also too many specialists and too few generalists, and measures are already taken to regulate their more balanced spreading in cities and on the countryside. Luckily, we can vote about new initiatives and legislative matters. There was once a proposal for one only public insurance, but it was refused.
For the time being, most of the health and accident insurances are private, and there are also public organisations. There is a certain competition among them, which helps to avoid too drastic rises on the basis insurances. There are of course obligatory coverages and facultative additional services for the richer ones. For the working poor, the social organisations are paying the differences, if they cannot afford to pay the whole basis charges of the social insurances. But the problem is that many poor people are ashamed to ask for social help, even if they have to pay the money back when the situation does improve.
There must be an alternative to avoid such losses, and that without salary...
I know that such questions cannot be resolved easily.
We are also having polemics about rising hospital treatment and medicine costs, but the hospitals are getting support from their municipalities, and they rationalise as much as possible, especially with generica and shared units. There are also too many specialists and too few generalists, and measures are already taken to regulate their more balanced spreading in cities and on the countryside. Luckily, we can vote about new initiatives and legislative matters. There was once a proposal for one only public insurance, but it was refused.
For the time being, most of the health and accident insurances are private, and there are also public organisations. There is a certain competition among them, which helps to avoid too drastic rises on the basis insurances. There are of course obligatory coverages and facultative additional services for the richer ones. For the working poor, the social organisations are paying the differences, if they cannot afford to pay the whole basis charges of the social insurances. But the problem is that many poor people are ashamed to ask for social help, even if they have to pay the money back when the situation does improve.
There must be an alternative to avoid such losses, and that without salary dumping or increased unemployment.
There are many openings for SME's which could fill the gaps left by the outsourcing of certain big companies which ought to pay for the damages caused. Only the investments are often slow, as most investors want fast benefits instead of sustainability.
The whole mentality must change and understand that speculation for high benefits must be banned.
I see you are claiming to be in Switzerland. So please tell me what you know first hand about American Healthcare, insurance, hospitalization, costs and everything related to it. I am speaking from first hand information. To give you an example my SO's hospital is a non profit hospital and the largest in our area. She went in for stitches in her finger and was given a triple vaccine because that is what was mandated by the hospital. At the same time the hospital is self insured and the insurance will not pay for that vaccine. They feel it is unnecessary. Therefore the hospital eats the cost and passes it on to others.
So with all due respect until you are here and living with the situation I really think your opinion is useless. That is unless you are just a troll with a fake profile.
My profile is not a fake, and I related our situation.
According to the diverging information, I heard quite different views from the USA. The former health insurance system was not obligatory and non-insured people could ruin themselves with unexpected medical cost in case of a disease or accident. Now, that there is an obligatory public health insurance, it seems that working poor pay less (because they cannot afford it) than the richer ones, who will probably have to pay the difference, or am I wrong, if I am assuming that the middle class pays most?
You are telling me that the hospitals are insured, but what about the patients, isn't their insurance covering such fees? And don't the hospitals get support from the government or their counties?
This system sounds indeed complicated, considering that in the U.K., everybody has free access to basic medical care, and that the counties are financing the hospitals, although there are also changes there.
I am wondering if the Americans realised that they were betrayed by the richest ones, their own, too much profit oriented big companies, and especially the insurers.
Obviously you have trouble with reading comprehension in English. I said my SO's hospital was self insured not all hospitals. Again obviously you have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to the US. I am not looking for a kumbafreakingya conversation nor am I looking to try and educate someone on the issue. Now run along I don't have time to play with you
You are basically correct in your assessment, The wealthy and the poor get the best out of this and the bulk of the obligation is dropped on the worker class.
There is NO middle class in the United States there is the wealthy elite, the worker class, and the poor. we are becoming more & more like a third world nation where there are 2 classes, Elite & Peons (aka slave labor) Many Americans do realize we have been betrayed by the wealthiest 1% but many are deceived by trolls spouting un-substantiated data that they received from "their know it all spouse" or Foux snews or some Koch brother or Walton ALEC troll paid to disinform. http://www.alternet.org/media...
Many worker class individuals are duped into believing this hogwash as they dream they too may become a wealthy one percenter if they support policies giving the wealthy more & more.
Thank you, Dweezie, for your clarifications and for taking my defense.
I got indeed contradictory information from different sources, and I would therefore rather prefer European news. I do not think that I have been impolite or respectless by explaining our system.
That doesn't deserve an insulting answer and blocking off. I therefore reported about an abuse by Headhunter 13.
That confirms indeed what many people think or suppose in Europe: Astroturfing - the intoxication of Internet communities.
I remember indeed how the lower classes were always fed with the "American dream", and that instead of realising their plans, most got indebted or lost all.
You are right, the middle class disappeared with all the SME's from earlier times, and the working class is more or less exposed to precarity, depending on the job conditions.
Sorry headhunter, The Swiss person seems to have a better understanding of the situation than your "first hand information" (incidentally your info coming from your SO is second hand at best) chances are she is being fed BS from her HA office.
Also, for your information, no one can force a patient or employee patient to take any vaccination.
Sorry you misunderstood. Instead of a straight tetanus shot for the cut they give a multiple vaccine. That is their policy and no it is not hearsay. I was there when they administered it and told her why. I also have seen the bill where her insurance will not pay for it. So if she wanted a tetanus shot for the cut this is what she had to get. She has been handling patient financials for over 25 years and I knows she knows what she is talking about vs someone that has no real experience with our healthcare system.
Maybe you like the swiss person are not as informed than you think
multiple vaccine? How much did you get stung for it? $25.00? I understand for profit hospitals charge $5.00 for 1 aspirin, the administrators need to get paid, right?
Yes there were three vaccines in one shot. It was a combination for tetanus, whooping cough and diphtheria. Ever get whooping cough or diphtheria from a cut from a kitchen knife? All for a cut on her finger and billed at over $300.00. And her co pay was $50.00 and the hospital is the one getting stung because of the policy. As for what you understand a hospital charges you are way off. For 2 aspirins in patient at her hospital it is $30.00. When my daughter was born 25 years ago my ex wife had gas while in the hospital and they billed $35.00 for a GasX
Now on to the administrators. The CEO is paid 1.8 million a year plus bonus,the 12 VPs are all a little over a million each plus bonus, Directors and there are quite a few at 500,00 to 750,00 and there are even more of them. And this is a non profit. They made a cash reserve of 90 million last year alone and complained about it.
She has 3 supervisors on the chain of command in her office that have never done her job and can't actually do the job and all make over 70,000 plus bonus. If a she or a peer has a problem they cannot get an answer or resolution from the supervisor they need to go to each other. Oh BTW they took all bonuses and incentives from the people that collect the money and even tried to freeze salaries at a cap 3 years ago. But only for the hourly people not the administration
Yea, Ya know, hind sight is always 20/20... Of course we all have been told It is the workers that cost so frickin much money! Investors do not care how much anyone steals as long as they get their fat dividend checks. Politicians from both sides get their payout from it also. Want to know where my best health care was? I was in the Army for 8 years, the quality of care I received there was the best I have ever had, be it medical or dental!
The notion that over 700 billion was taken from Medicare is a lie. A flat out, damn lie. The repugs and teabuggers worship Ayn Rand,. hte paragon of selfishness.
Actually, 700 Billion is a lie, the total sum Obama stole from medicare is 716 Billion dollars. In addition, Obama and ilk counted that number twice in Obamacare so once again, Obama and his people lied to the American people about the cost of the HC bill too. That congressional hearing was on TV last fall for all to see.
If we can get a new POTUS, Medicare can be saved otherwise, if Obama wins, Medicare will no longer be around, everyone will be enrolled in Obamacare with a panel making all decisions. Probably, not even medical people, will be on the panel.
It appears so decietfully programmed that I wonder about the truth in the progression of it's wake. A sinister few have always wanted to rob/destroy/redistribute/ confuse this championed program that it seems to go all the way back to World War 2. I've seen and heard of 40-60-75 year master plans that are passed on from family to family. It usually involves the mega-rich. Even the Trilateral-Group. They can patiently suck-up the cash, the gold, the coin, the power. It's very plausible.
Any senior who votes for Oslime is brain-dead and ripe for his death panels.
An accident or a disease can happen to anybody, and a decent coverage of the medical costs for treatments, surgery or medecine can prevent many people from being ruined when they must suddenly face high expenses.
We are also having polemics about rising hospital treatment and medicine costs, but the hospitals are getting support from their municipalities, and they rationalise as much as possible, especially with generica and shared units. There are also too many specialists and too few generalists, and measures are already taken to regulate their more balanced spreading in cities and on the countryside. Luckily, we can vote about new initiatives and legislative matters. There was once a proposal for one only public insurance, but it was refused.
For the time being, most of the health and accident insurances are private, and there are also public organisations. There is a certain competition among them, which helps to avoid too drastic rises on the basis insurances. There are of course obligatory coverages and facultative additional services for the richer ones. For the working poor, the social organisations are paying the differences, if they cannot afford to pay the whole basis charges of the social insurances. But the problem is that many poor people are ashamed to ask for social help, even if they have to pay the money back when the situation does improve.
There must be an alternative to avoid such losses, and that without salary...
We are also having polemics about rising hospital treatment and medicine costs, but the hospitals are getting support from their municipalities, and they rationalise as much as possible, especially with generica and shared units. There are also too many specialists and too few generalists, and measures are already taken to regulate their more balanced spreading in cities and on the countryside. Luckily, we can vote about new initiatives and legislative matters. There was once a proposal for one only public insurance, but it was refused.
For the time being, most of the health and accident insurances are private, and there are also public organisations. There is a certain competition among them, which helps to avoid too drastic rises on the basis insurances. There are of course obligatory coverages and facultative additional services for the richer ones. For the working poor, the social organisations are paying the differences, if they cannot afford to pay the whole basis charges of the social insurances. But the problem is that many poor people are ashamed to ask for social help, even if they have to pay the money back when the situation does improve.
There must be an alternative to avoid such losses, and that without salary dumping or increased unemployment.
There are many openings for SME's which could fill the gaps left by the outsourcing of certain big companies which ought to pay for the damages caused. Only the investments are often slow, as most investors want fast benefits instead of sustainability.
The whole mentality must change and understand that speculation for high benefits must be banned.
So with all due respect until you are here and living with the situation I really think your opinion is useless. That is unless you are just a troll with a fake profile.
According to the diverging information, I heard quite different views from the USA. The former health insurance system was not obligatory and non-insured people could ruin themselves with unexpected medical cost in case of a disease or accident. Now, that there is an obligatory public health insurance, it seems that working poor pay less (because they cannot afford it) than the richer ones, who will probably have to pay the difference, or am I wrong, if I am assuming that the middle class pays most?
You are telling me that the hospitals are insured, but what about the patients, isn't their insurance covering such fees?
And don't the hospitals get support from the government or their counties?
This system sounds indeed complicated, considering that in the U.K., everybody has free access to basic medical care, and that the counties are financing the hospitals, although there are also changes there.
I am wondering if the Americans realised that they were betrayed by the richest ones, their own, too much profit oriented big companies, and especially the insurers.
There is NO middle class in the United States there is the wealthy elite, the worker class, and the poor. we are becoming more & more like a third world nation where there are 2 classes, Elite & Peons (aka slave labor) Many Americans do realize we have been betrayed by the wealthiest 1% but many are deceived by trolls spouting un-substantiated data that they received from "their know it all spouse" or Foux snews or some Koch brother or Walton ALEC troll paid to disinform. http://www.alternet.org/media...
Many worker class individuals are duped into believing this hogwash as they dream they too may become a wealthy one percenter if they support policies giving the wealthy more & more.
I got indeed contradictory information from different sources, and I would therefore rather prefer European news. I do not think that I have been impolite or respectless by explaining our system.
That doesn't deserve an insulting answer and blocking off. I therefore reported about an abuse by Headhunter 13.
I remember indeed how the lower classes were always fed with the "American dream", and that instead of realising their plans, most got indebted or lost all.
You are right, the middle class disappeared with all the SME's from earlier times, and the working class is more or less exposed to precarity, depending on the job conditions.
My compliments for your excellent analysis.
Also, for your information, no one can force a patient or employee patient to take any vaccination.
Maybe you like the swiss person are not as informed than you think
Now on to the administrators. The CEO is paid 1.8 million a year plus bonus,the 12 VPs are all a little over a million each plus bonus, Directors and there are quite a few at 500,00 to 750,00 and there are even more of them. And this is a non profit. They made a cash reserve of 90 million last year alone and complained about it.
She has 3 supervisors on the chain of command in her office that have never done her job and can't actually do the job and all make over 70,000 plus bonus. If a she or a peer has a problem they cannot get an answer or resolution from the supervisor they need to go to each other. Oh BTW they took all bonuses and incentives from the people that collect the money and even tried to freeze salaries at a cap 3 years ago. But only for the hourly people not the administration
As a senior I can tell you that the Romney/Ryan plan is the best for us.