Is the Paul Ryan Budget cruel?

by Assassin~ Badass Buzz Guru Posted 2012/04/02 14:07:05

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The Paul Ryan Budget will cut $3.3 trillion from low-income programs over 10 years, even more than the $2.9 trillion in Mr. Ryan’s first disastrous budget last year. Meanwhile it actually slashes taxes for large corporations in America.

republicans crushing poor

Mitt Romney says its an "excellent piece of work".

The Ryan budget proposes a cut of $810 billion through 2022, one-fifth of current
spending, which would lead states to drop coverage for an estimated 14
million to 28 million people.

By eliminating the expansion of Medicaid in the health care law, cutting
$1.6 trillion, it would leave another 17 million low- and
moderate-income people uninsured.

no insurance

The budget would cut 17 percent of the SNAP budget, or $133.5 billion over a decade. There are only two ways to achieve that savings: Take the benefits away from 8 million of the 47 million who now
receive them, or could cut everyone’s benefits. For a struggling
family of four, that would mean a loss of $90 worth of food a month.

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What do you think: Is the Paul Ryan budget cruel?

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Bowman 2012/04/02 15:10:36

No

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It's a good start. If a family of four lost $90 is food aid a month, maybe they would start cooking their own meals with realistic serving sizes and our obesity problem would go away. People on welfare are typically more obese than those that work.
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Leonidas 2012/08/23 11:10:50

Yes

I believe even the Catholic Bishops of America labled it "immoral".

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sjalan 2012/04/14 06:04:32

Yes

And if he thinks it will pass he is a bigger fool than most people think he is.

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Goroth 2012/04/14 02:29:21 (edited)

Yes

Is that question rhetorical?

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EdVenture 2012/04/13 21:22:34

Yes

Your polite, It is irresponsible in this economy. The bottom line doesn't end after you subtract A from B, = savings It continues, it has impact. Is there a impact study report? who and what it effects, who benifits and how? If this situation results we'll ? This is the way they've been doing things, wake up folks, this is a big one!

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TheFightingPanties 2012/04/13 19:55:48

Yes

The fact he claims that he does this from a position of faith while the leaders of that same faith shout out AGAINST this plan and the cuts for the poor and needy says much about his real motivations.

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Sinpac 2012/04/13 17:21:57

No

No is loose cannon with dreams of reliving his childhood

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Mrkando 2012/04/13 17:07:52

Yes

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This is by far the closest that I have seen to a policy of robing from the poor and giving to the rich. So we eliminate health coverage for people that desperately need it and give huge tax cuts to people who do not need it.

When you go on a budget and cut and cut expenses to the point you can't live anymore you have only one option and that is to bring in more income. People in the middle to lower income brackets have very few options in this regard and corporations are doing quite well because they do not have the payroll they used to have but keep increasing their revenue. Cutting their taxes will only increase their profits but will not justify hiring more people.

Have you ever heard of trickle down economics and how well it didn't work for the Reagan administration? It will not work now either and it hasn't worked sense Bush decided to cut taxes.

If you currently find yourself in a job and have the health coverage you need then it is likely you will see this as something that need be done. But how long could you remain at your current lifestyle should you loose that job? And with that loss will go your health insurance. And then what happens should you have a health problem? Well guess what? You are on your own and what little savings you may have will not last long. ...

This is by far the closest that I have seen to a policy of robing from the poor and giving to the rich. So we eliminate health coverage for people that desperately need it and give huge tax cuts to people who do not need it.

When you go on a budget and cut and cut expenses to the point you can't live anymore you have only one option and that is to bring in more income. People in the middle to lower income brackets have very few options in this regard and corporations are doing quite well because they do not have the payroll they used to have but keep increasing their revenue. Cutting their taxes will only increase their profits but will not justify hiring more people.

Have you ever heard of trickle down economics and how well it didn't work for the Reagan administration? It will not work now either and it hasn't worked sense Bush decided to cut taxes.

If you currently find yourself in a job and have the health coverage you need then it is likely you will see this as something that need be done. But how long could you remain at your current lifestyle should you loose that job? And with that loss will go your health insurance. And then what happens should you have a health problem? Well guess what? You are on your own and what little savings you may have will not last long. Should this happen to you I think your eyes will open and you will see how sad this scramble to make the rich even more wealthy is.

For all you that answer no to this question......your day is coming. If you live long enough you will be forced to quit work for health reasons or the fact you just can't do it anymore and your eyes will be opened. You had better hope that both social security and medicare are still around because your life will make a rather drastic change. And it will not be for the better I guarantee it. The older you get the more life will not stay the same. What you think you have today may not be there tomorrow. How do I know this? I am living it.
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Goroth to Mrkando 2012/04/14 02:57:42 (edited)

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It's not the amount of money that matters to them, it is what and who they can buy off or silence and destroy with it, and what and who they can further creatively deny basic human rights, and further blur the lines of Constitutionally Protected Status'. The money is a means to an end, the end is unchallenged subjugation and forced protection-less consumerism.

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(▪‿▪)DoctorWhoGuru(▪‿▪) 2012/04/13 16:26:18

Yes

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Yes

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laura 2012/04/10 16:45:10

No

If we don't get a hold on spending, our country as a whole will fail. It's not cruel to let people do for themselves what they should. It isn't the government's job to feed and clothe the masses. Personal responsibility and liberty go hand in hand. The more people are supported by the government, the more our personal liberties are infringed (someone has to pay for it). There are so many things people could do with their creativity, ingenuity, and their imaginations to support themselves...most of them just need a kick in the pants to get started.

The only taxes we should have are income taxes, if at all. I actually support the Fair Tax, which is basically a tax on what we purchase or consume. Corporate taxes only hurt productivity, and cause the loss or limitation of job growth.

I know there is genuine need in this country. I'm not addressing genuine need. But this is a polarizing argument, and I doubt I'll sway many opinions anyway.

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Kyle Ka... to laura 2012/04/14 21:39:10

Paul Ryan should give up his government run health care and his social security and until he does this he is on of the biggest political hypocrites. I can have mine so the hell with anyone else is his belief. This is how the Republicans care about future generations. The unlimited tax cuts for the wealthy and the wars are one of the biggest causes of our debt. Who stated the wars? Who started with the tax cuts for the wealthy? Can you answer my question? If Paul Ryan's plan is put into law we could be one of the only modern industrialized countries that doesn't have a social safety net for people who are out of work or down on their luck by no fault of their own. Yes it is the job of the government to help care of the less fortunate. We are still one of the richest countries on earth and the government can afford to pay for social safety net programs if the tax rate on the very wealthy is raised. This belief that the Job creators are the wealthy is totally false. Corporations pocket the money and they don't use it for hiring people. The Ratio of pay of an Executive of a Fortune 500 company to the average worker is one of the most unequal of the industrialized nations on earth. The Corporations don't create jobs the small businesses do. . Do you know that the reason for our re...

Paul Ryan should give up his government run health care and his social security and until he does this he is on of the biggest political hypocrites. I can have mine so the hell with anyone else is his belief. This is how the Republicans care about future generations. The unlimited tax cuts for the wealthy and the wars are one of the biggest causes of our debt. Who stated the wars? Who started with the tax cuts for the wealthy? Can you answer my question? If Paul Ryan's plan is put into law we could be one of the only modern industrialized countries that doesn't have a social safety net for people who are out of work or down on their luck by no fault of their own. Yes it is the job of the government to help care of the less fortunate. We are still one of the richest countries on earth and the government can afford to pay for social safety net programs if the tax rate on the very wealthy is raised. This belief that the Job creators are the wealthy is totally false. Corporations pocket the money and they don't use it for hiring people. The Ratio of pay of an Executive of a Fortune 500 company to the average worker is one of the most unequal of the industrialized nations on earth. The Corporations don't create jobs the small businesses do. . Do you know that the reason for our recession is due to the lack of reasonable regulations on corporations such as banks, mortgage companies etc. Both parties are responsible for our economic recession but it is limited government to the extreme that caused our economic recession and limited government is a Conservative/libertarian belief. We all want more freedom and so do I. Do you support a balanced budget amendment?
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sglmom 2012/04/10 06:41:14

No

Actually ..
There's a tremendous amount of duplication in those programs ..
everything from double-triple and more dipping (especially with the food programs .. there's at least triple dipping there when they've got increments for children too)
It is about time that these programs get a good hard look .. and get pulled out from behind the veil ..
To really start CUTTING out the FRAUD, the WASTE, the ABUSE ..
(and it includes not making it profitable for folks to stay on welfare instead of having to actually get out and get jobs to make ends meet).

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JenSemPa 2012/04/10 05:23:18

No

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You mean in the same way that Obama cut federal funding to a low-income women's health program in Texas?

You mean the same way in which Obama cut Medicare, in order to pay for Obamacare?

Besides, in case you hadn't noticed ... the country is flat-out broke. The current leadership is driving us so deep into debt, it's ridiculous.

Something has to be done -- and we certainly can't rely on Democrats to do it. Not with their debt-laden track record.

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Dagon 2012/04/10 03:41:21
Hula girl - Friends not Fol... 2012/04/10 03:18:22

No

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What's cruel is to keep spending to now put this country into it's third credit down grade which costs us more in interest.

What's cruel is no budget for three years.

What's cruel is forcing a deadly health bill on us that's unconstitutional.

What's cruel is the wasteful billions this President is handing out all over the place.

What's cruel is not looking ahead to save the future.

Thank Goodness someone is doing something to cut the budget.

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☆Hitler was a community org... 2012/04/10 03:14:45

No

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why he isn't running for president I dont know, he is on my top 5 list

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Charles R. Anderson 2012/04/07 09:38:55

No

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We know that the Obama projected budgets are many times beyond sustainable in the projected deficits. The Ryan deficits are also large, but not as large. Most of the so-called cuts in the Ryan budget are actually smaller increases than those in the otherworldly Obama budget, so they are not cuts at all.

This is like a man going to his boss for a raise and dreaming of getting a 100% increase in pay. His boss gives him a 50% increase in pay and he comes back complaining that his boss cut his pay by 25%! Then he plays on your heartstrings by complaining that he can no longer afford to feed his children! What planet do these Democrat Socialist comrades come from!

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shadow76 2012/04/04 14:21:03

Yes

NO

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DuncanONeil 2012/04/04 00:55:52

No

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Really? Can you show me the parts of the Ryan plan that does what you say?

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MO.gal 2012/04/03 02:45:59

Yes

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Paul Ryan and the rest of the GOP are more concerned about the top 1%. They have no interest in the poor and elderly of this country.

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Lady Wh... to MO.gal 2012/04/03 12:43:24

agreed

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DuncanO... to MO.gal 2012/04/04 00:56:37

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And your evidence is what?

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mich52 2012/04/03 00:57:28

Yes

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He totally neglects that on top of spending, tax revenue is also down.. Taxes are not the problem, sure less is nice, so is being healthy, safe, etc... There is NO reason to increase military spending, they actually need cuts... Entitlements just need tweaked.. Raise the tax cutoff for one..

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JP 2012/04/03 00:37:54

No

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His budget makes a lot more sense than Obama's big fat zero vote budget! My wife and I try to instill a work ethic in our kids, not a stick your hand out and whine ethic when times are tough!

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rt 2012/04/03 00:20:42

Yes

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Cruel if you are middle class or poor, not cruel if you make over a million a year.

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turtledove123 2012/04/02 23:37:53

Yes

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Take from the poor, give to the rich! It's the American way.

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Lady Wh... to turtled... 2012/04/03 12:43:56

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hear ya

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luvguins 2012/04/02 22:15:43

Yes

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Like his previous power grabbing budget this one will be DOA in the Senate. Seniors don't want to pay 5-6000 dollars more per year for privatized Medicare with vouchers that Ryan now calls "premium relief". It won't relieve anything if a senior can't find an insurance company to sell them a policy because of bad health for instance. Apparently the GOP isn't satisfied with losing women voters and hispanics. They are going for the trifecta with seniors now. Paying back those 1% wealthy campaign donors must be more important.

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Lady Wh... to luvguins 2012/04/03 12:44:27

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HEAR YA!!!

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Kirby 2012/04/02 22:06:26
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harry 2012/04/02 18:21:38

No

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No, Paul Ryan is a sociopath greedy Oligarch, that wants to strip mine wealth from hard working families. He wants people to worship so called Almighty Job Creators.
He supports only the 1% Richest people in the country. He bases his beliefs and ideals from his hero Ian Rand the fiction writer who based her book on a serial killer from the 1920's. What he does not understand is that " no man is an island."

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Stryder to harry 2012/04/02 18:41:23

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It's Ayn Rand. And based on your rant you should've voted "yes".

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harry to Stryder 2012/04/03 17:49:45

Yes, no. I should have voted Yes, But I didn't I voted "No"
Yes, Paul Ryan is definitely the A-hole of all A-holes. He forgets that it takes a country and hard working families that provide opportunity for people to be successful. If you follow Ryan's ideas you think it only takes one person to reach success and " I got mine and screw you too."

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Stryder to harry 2012/04/03 22:29:47

LOL! You have serious issues.

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harry to Stryder 2012/04/05 17:15:27

Seriously. Paul Ryan is a sociopath. He introduces legislation that gives more freedom to the Oligarchs to strip mine wealth and confiscate money from hard working families.

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Stryder to harry 2012/04/05 23:02:12

No, seriously. You need help.

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harry to Stryder 2012/04/06 12:45:47

You need to read Ryan's budget. By 2016 the part of our government remaining if Ryan plan is passed ( of which it never will be passed) will be our military. Ryan wants to turn all power over to a few corporations. He wants to sell off our public lands to corporations at a fraction of their value. He wants to turn over the 3 Trillion $ Social Security fund to the banksters on Wallstreet. And that's just for starters.

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Mark P. 2012/04/02 18:21:37

No

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If we continue the path we are on his plan will seem like it didn't go far enough Fixing the mess made by past politicians is gonna be hard, but the alternative is much worse. Look at Greece and Spain.

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