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Is the Hispanic vote a 'Lost Cause' for Romney After Supreme court Immigration Decision?

bob 2012/06/25 22:21:38
Not if Romney takes Marco Rubio a token Republican Latino for the VP choice
The Hispanic vote is a 'Lost Cause' for Romney After Supreme court Immigration Decision
The Hispanic vote is not a 'Lost Cause' for Romney After Supreme court Immigration Decision
Romeny has blown a lot of hot air concerning immigration law
Romney blew off the Hispanic vote in the primary
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  • tblackb 2012/06/27 21:59:46
    Romney blew off the Hispanic vote in the primary
    tblackb
    if u ask me the whole self-deportation position is what killed any chance he had
  • schjaz 2012/06/27 15:14:59
    The Hispanic vote is not a 'Lost Cause' for Romney After Supreme court Immigr...
    schjaz
    Just saw Rubio discussing this very thing on Charlie Rose last night and its the first time anyone has made any sense regarding the illegal immigration problem in this country. Nope...there is a good chance Romney can turn this controversy to his advantage. God knows Obama has no answers. Just attempted quick fixes that don't work and end up making matters worse.
  • John Hall 2012/06/26 15:45:59
    None of the above
    John Hall
    +2
    there are hispanics who are conservative and are not obama fans.
  • conservyT John Hall 2012/06/26 15:46:53
    conservyT
    +1
    YES INDEED!!!

    I'm one of them, Thank God!!!
  • John Hall conservyT 2012/06/26 15:49:20
    John Hall
    +1
    i dont know why people think because your hispanic or black you are a democrat/liberal it's not the case.
  • conservyT John Hall 2012/06/26 15:54:14
    conservyT
    RIGHT!

    And I won't hesitate to correct anyone that is "stereotyping" me.
  • John Hall conservyT 2012/06/26 18:28:37
    John Hall
    Good for you .
  • conservyT John Hall 2012/06/26 19:51:58
    conservyT
    I know and good for ALL Americans that refuse to be put in a bubble regardless of ones' race!
  • conservyT 2012/06/26 15:45:27
    The Hispanic vote is not a 'Lost Cause' for Romney After Supreme court Immigr...
    conservyT
    I'm Latina and I feel that obama has and continues to lie to my community.

    For the record, I Never bought into any of his lies to begin with, Thank God.
  • wtw 2012/06/26 04:17:17
    None of the above
    wtw
    Obama and the left have lied to the latinos and blacks for years wanting to keep them as victims and ignorant of how they want them poor and on the government dole so they vote dem. The repubs want them to have jobs and pay for themselves and live independant just like the majority of latinos want. Lationos also want the freedom of the 2nd amendment which is opposite of what the dems want but the leftist propaganda media won't let them focus on either of those issues!
  • bob wtw 2012/06/26 14:47:14
    bob
    yawn
  • Bob, the reasonable one 2012/06/26 03:40:18
    Undecided
    Bob, the reasonable one
    +2
    the hispanic vote is not a solid lock for the dems, there are many that are conservative or at least reasonable in their voting preferences. The Hispanics should be irritated if they think the Dems just assume they will vote the Dem party line...
  • conservyT Bob, th... 2012/06/26 15:48:14
    conservyT
    +1
    I AM!!!

    But then again I'm Conservative.
  • Bob, th... conservyT 2012/06/26 17:13:02
    Bob, the reasonable one
    +1
    WooooHoooo!! :)
  • Farnsworth 2012/06/26 03:40:18
    Undecided
    Farnsworth
    +1
    Dependency class always votes for the Democrat. Keep those freebies flowing. Besides, why do they care? They have no loyalty to this country.
  • conservyT Farnsworth 2012/06/26 15:52:23
    conservyT
    +1
    NOT TRUE!!!

    I was born in Mexico and was raised in the U S A.

    I proudly served MY COUTRY ; U S A!!!

    SO PLEASE DO NOT GENERALIZE ALL LATINOS!!!

    I'M A PROUD CONSERVATIVE!!!
  • Farnsworth conservyT 2012/06/26 16:20:47
    Farnsworth
    But you are not the majority. But I wish you were
  • Ambassador II 2012/06/26 02:14:19
    Romney blew off the Hispanic vote in the primary
    Ambassador II
    +1
    Yes, Romney isn't attractive even to other hedge fund managers. Why would you ask if he is attractive to those "little people" he has never met? Not one of them has an Auto Elevator or private jet. What would they talk about?
  • KingdomNow 2012/06/26 00:58:00
    None of the above
    KingdomNow
    The decision has nothing to do with Romney.
  • Ozzyboy 2012/06/26 00:34:00
    The Hispanic vote is not a 'Lost Cause' for Romney After Supreme court Immigr...
    Ozzyboy
    +1
    Once Hispanics learn that 0 confiscated all the knives and forks before he would speak at
    the Hispanic dinner, they may wise up. That wasn't done at the elite s or Hollyweird's fundraising dinners. Racist much?
  • Kane Fernau 2012/06/26 00:31:08
    The Hispanic vote is not a 'Lost Cause' for Romney After Supreme court Immigr...
    Kane Fernau
    Mitt was born in Mexico.
  • Leslie 2012/06/26 00:04:50
    Romney blew off the Hispanic vote in the primary
    Leslie
    +1
    Obama has been able to consistently hold onto the Hispanic vote. On most issues, Hispanics agree with Obama's positions rather than Romney's. Even if Romney had Rubio has his VP he still wouldn't be able to win the Hispanic vote.
  • Rebel Yell 2012/06/25 23:50:26
    Romney blew off the Hispanic vote in the primary
    Rebel Yell
    +1
    Romney was asked three times by Bob Schieffer if he would rescind Obama's order regarding those young people brought here under age 16.

    Each time Romney gave some wordy bullsheet answer.... in other words, he waffled again. He never answered the question. When backed into a corner and cannot worm out he comes up with such gems as, " Those details will be worked out later."

    Hispanics see through that and make no mistake about it, Team Romney needs to find some way to garner at least some Hispanic votes. So far, they are in quicksand and sinking fast. They know that Obama will not need Florida or Ohio if he can pick up the Hispanic votes in the swing states. Then it will be lights out for Willard.
  • AL 2012/06/25 23:15:47
    Not if Romney takes Marco Rubio a token Republican Latino for the VP choice
    AL
    Rubio is already telling his fellow hispanics how they're being used for a short time fix to a longer time problem!
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/06/25 23:03:19
    The Hispanic vote is not a 'Lost Cause' for Romney After Supreme court Immigr...
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    Nope
  • Mel 2012/06/25 23:03:05
    None of the above
    Mel
    It was a lost cause from the beginning because everyone knows Barry has 2 illegal relatives here he is involved with somehow, so yes the Hispanics love that and see it as a silver lining for their cause.
  • Herb 2012/06/25 22:31:13
    Not if Romney takes Marco Rubio a token Republican Latino for the VP choice
    Herb
    +1
    plus obama is loosing the white vote lol

    Obama's White Support Is Too Low to Win
    By David Paul Kuhn - June 22, 2012

    President Obama does not currently have enough white support to win re-election even if he retains his minority base from 2008. At the same time, electoral data indicates Mitt Romney has not yet attracted enough of these white voters to capitalize on Obama's weakness.
    Pundits often note that Romney cannot win with his current level of Hispanic support. That's likely true. But so is the converse: Obama cannot win with his level of white support unless white swing voters withhold their votes from Romney as well.
    Today, fewer whites back Obama than any Democratic candidate since Walter Mondale. Romney does not need to emulate Ronald Reagan to win. Should he match Reagan’s share of the white vote in 1984 -- presuming all else remains constant since 2008 -- Romney would rout Obama.
    Of course, America has changed since Reagan. Non-Hispanic whites were 89 percent of the electorate when Reagan first won the White House in 1980. They were 85 percent in 1988. By 2008, whites were 74 percent. That shift has upended the electoral landscape. But only so much.
    Take Michael Dukakis’ fate as an example. In 1988, George H.W. Bush’s margin of victory exceeded Obama’s in 2008. Bu...















    plus obama is loosing the white vote lol

    Obama's White Support Is Too Low to Win
    By David Paul Kuhn - June 22, 2012

    President Obama does not currently have enough white support to win re-election even if he retains his minority base from 2008. At the same time, electoral data indicates Mitt Romney has not yet attracted enough of these white voters to capitalize on Obama's weakness.
    Pundits often note that Romney cannot win with his current level of Hispanic support. That's likely true. But so is the converse: Obama cannot win with his level of white support unless white swing voters withhold their votes from Romney as well.
    Today, fewer whites back Obama than any Democratic candidate since Walter Mondale. Romney does not need to emulate Ronald Reagan to win. Should he match Reagan’s share of the white vote in 1984 -- presuming all else remains constant since 2008 -- Romney would rout Obama.
    Of course, America has changed since Reagan. Non-Hispanic whites were 89 percent of the electorate when Reagan first won the White House in 1980. They were 85 percent in 1988. By 2008, whites were 74 percent. That shift has upended the electoral landscape. But only so much.
    Take Michael Dukakis’ fate as an example. In 1988, George H.W. Bush’s margin of victory exceeded Obama’s in 2008. But if Obama’s level of white support in 2012 equals Dukakis’, and all else remains the same from 2008, Obama would likely narrowly win. He would lack a mandate and risk immediate lame-duck status. But he would survive with white support that once sundered Democrats.
    Unless . . .
    What if Obama doesn't even match Dukakis with whites? That’s the dynamic of 2012. This electorate has a white floor. And it has broken for this president. Democrats cannot depend on demographics to save them.
    Should Romney win the whites Obama lost, Romney will only need to perform as well as John McCain with minorities to win. This is true even under Democrats’ most optimistic, and unlikely, demographic scenario: that the white share of the electorate decreases another two percentage points from 2008, blacks turn out at the same historic levels they did then, and the Hispanic share of the vote rises from 9 to 11 percent of the electorate while Obama retains the same level of support from other minority groups.
    The white margin to watch: 61-39. That’s the rough break-even point. Obama likely needs more than 39 percent of whites to assure re-election. Romney likely needs at least 61 percent of whites to assure Obama’s defeat (or 60.5 in some scenerios). These are estimates based on an electorate that matches the diversity of 2008 or is slightly less white. It presumes the Electoral College outcome does not diverge from the winner of the popular vote (loose talk aside, it’s only happened four times in U.S. history).
    Thus, Obama can do a little worse than Dukakis, and Romney must perform a little better than Bush circa 1988. Whites favored Reagan in 1984 by a 64-35 margin. They favored Bush in 1988 by a 59-40 margin. Four years ago, whites favored McCain by a 55-43 margin.
    Only 37 or 38 percent of whites back Obama today, according to the Gallup Poll’s authoritative weekly averages since early April (which have a larger sample size than most polls combined). The rub for Romney? In those same matchups, Romney only wins 54 percent of whites. Other surveys show the same. CNN’s latest pegged the white margin at 53-39. FOX News’ latest, 51-35. Ipsos-Reuters, 53-38. The Pew Research Center's polls have, however, shown Obama stronger this year. Its recent survey placed the margin at 54-41.
    Writ large, Obama appears below his floor with whites. But so does Romney. Obama has too few whites saying yea to a second term. And Romney has converted too few nays to his side. Notably, the same share of whites say they will vote for Obama as approve of his job performance.
    These whites constitute, by far, the largest share of the swing vote. The president depends on Hispanics to partly compensate for his weakness with whites. That’s possible in some states like Florida, Colorado and Nevada. But Latinos are less than a 10th of the electorate in every other swing
    state.

    Report Says Obama Cannot Win Without White Voters
    By Andrew Zarowny
    Has Barack Obama already lost his reelection bid for 2012? Was a decision late last year by the Obama campaign to write off ′working white voters′ the root cause? A story by David Paul Kuhn of Real Clear Politics seems to be suggesting that Obama cannot win due to falling support from white voters. That even if he does manage to repeat his successes with non-white voters from 2008, the game is already over. That Obama may not even win the dismally low 35% that Walter Mondale won in 1984. The only salvation, however, is that Mitt Romney has yet to capitalize on this advantage. According to Kuhn′s demographics, the ′over-under′ is 61% for Romney and 39% for Obama. Those are the percentages of the white voters either candidate needs to win.
    Barack Obama was supposed to be the transformational president. Half white himself, Obama was billed as the post-racial president who would heal the divisions in America. But the exact opposite has been the case. The nation is more divided, more partisan, than ever before. Perhaps the most amusing example is how, this week, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi criticized the contempt of Congress vote against Eric Holder held by the House Judiciary Oversight Committee, setting the stage for a vote by the full House this coming week. Pelosi tried to deflect critics of Eric Holder by raising the issue of vote suppression. Yet it has been Eric Holder directing the Department of Justice to ignore any vote suppression cases where whites were the targets. Such as in the case of the New Black Panther Party intimidating white voters in Philadelphia in November, 2008. Justice Department whistle-blowers testified that orders to drop the case came from on high.
    The most recent Gallup Poll shows that among white voters, Obama only has 37-38% support now, barely more than the 35% which Walter Mondale won in 1984. Other polls have Obama with even less. Mitt Romney, on the other hand, is still not doing all that great either, averaging about 53-55% support from whites in most polls. Of course, one may factor in the so-called ′Bradley Effect′ in any political poll where race is an issue. So these numbers may already be off by 4 to 5 points favoring Romney.
    The demographic trends for future elections will make the white vote less significant. But that will not help Barack Obama overcome the lack of support from white voters now. Obama is also having trouble with his own base of support. He is down 4% among Black voters, down 6% amongst women, down 5 to 9 points among college graduates and post-graduates, and off 9% among the youth vote. Older voters, including the senior citizens, have Obama trailing about 6% from 2008. Not only has Obama apparently written off the ′working white′ vote, but also Catholics and other devout religious voters, too, with his position shifts on birth control and gay marriage. The bottom line in all of this is that the election is Mitt Romney′s to win, even by a landslide, if he can sell his vision for the future to America. If so, then Barack Obama may suffer the most humiliating defeat of any presidential candidate
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  • Andrew 2012/06/25 22:30:14
    Undecided
    Andrew
    +2
    I wouldn't expect that Romney will win the Hispanic vote outright, but there are enough hispanics who are able to reason and understand that they, along with the black population of this country are being hit disproportionately by this struggling economy which the President is bent on making worse. We don't need the majority of hispanics, but the majority of electoral votes!
  • Jackie ... Andrew 2012/06/25 23:04:40
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +2
    Well said, in the final analysis, it is the economy and joblessness - these are smart people with more in common with right of center than the liberals who talk a good game and then ignore their plight
  • Andrew Jackie ... 2012/06/26 07:24:50
    Andrew
    +1
    Exactly!
  • No nonsense NanC...don't BS... 2012/06/25 22:29:00
    None of the above
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    +1
    There are a lot of Hispanics who came to America the right way and resent those
    who cheat to get in. People tend to like people of their background. For example,
    it is not reasonable to think every White who is so trailer trash would vote the same
    way I do just because we are both white. To think every Hispanic is for illegal
    immigration is derogatory to many Hispanics. You see many Hispanic congressmen
    for illegals because they depend upon the Hispanic vote to get reelected, and even
    that is an insult to many Hispanic citizens.
  • NPC 2012/06/25 22:26:13
    None of the above
    NPC
    +1
    about 80% of Hispanic or Latino voters are Democrats. This will not be the deciding factor in Election 2012. Undecided, Independent, Evangekical and TEA party voters will decide this Electon.
  • The Elitist Libtard SodaJerk 2012/06/25 22:25:38
    The Hispanic vote is not a 'Lost Cause' for Romney After Supreme court Immigr...
    The Elitist Libtard SodaJerk
    +1
    It was a lost cause when he uttered the words "Self-Deportation." He does realize that the phrase was coined by a West coast comedian, who made a parody campaign back in 1994.

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