IS THE GAY MARRIAGE ISSUE REALLY ABOUT MARRIAGE OR ABOUT FORCING THE CHURCH TO ACCEPT HOMOSEXUALITY. THEIR FIRST STEP IN TRYING TO REWRITE THE BIBLE?

Simple equality. Civilization.

It is an, "issue" because it has not always been accepted, otherwise it would not have been an issue.

It's amazing to me how such a small, highly vocal faction of society can impose its agenda merely through accusations of hatred. When really, it is THIS minuscule group that are the hate-filled ones.

All i know is denying them theright to marry is saying their not american citizens in a sense.

What should be done is to call all commitment ceremonies done outside the Church Civil Unions, If it is Performed in the Church if is a Marriage. The same rights to both, but the Church does not Perform Same sex and if people choose to take their Vows at the JP Heterosexual or Gay it is a Civil Union. By doing that you Separate the Church from the Issue and you can bet a lot of the Gay Activists will not Allow that to Happen, Their Agenda is not about Marriage it is about forcing the Church to Accept what it can never Accept

The church was built on a moral of an and wife, and that's right. people can;t accept it, because they want to threaten the church by calling them cold.

The United States was built on the moral of religious freedom, which includes separation of church and state. You are free to think what you want about homosexuality. Making laws which discriminate against homosexuals, is unconstitutional. And bigotry in the name of religion, is still bigotry.

Dude, do i look like I care? I'm wasting my time replying to every goddamn post about gay marriage. Enough already said.

I DO think you care. I can't think of any other reason you would be wasting your time on this.

I only cared to get my point through.

But not enough to give a damn about actually being right.

Exactly

And you claimed to be right?

I'm not right about everything, but about this, yes, I am.

Well, at least you admit that you were wrong. Thanks.

The church was also built on the opression of women!
The instituation has changed so much, evidence of this is ovbious since swapping your daughter to be wed for goats or chickens isn't seen as marriage anymore.

That's what they do with women in non-Christian cultures. Show me where in the New Testament a daughter is swapped for chickens and goats.

In olden times, my friend!
Over time things change and that is simply the way of life. Allowing two people in love to marry should not be an issue!
If the church is complaining about gays getting married then they should stop marrying non religious people then.

There's no law against two people loving each other. But marriage becomes a dead letter if we allow government administrators to morph it into any form that pleases a special interest group. And the weakening of marriage causes serious damage to society as we can see in welfare dominated communities where most children living a life of crime and gang membership are raised by unwed mothers. And it doesn't help your cause to defame Christianity as being responsible for daughters being swapped for chickens and goats.

Through the ages homesexual unions have been seen as sacred in many cultures for many reasons.
The only reason it is illegal is because some people don't like it. Now I don't like peas I hate them with a passion and I am not alone but peas are not illegal!
In life there are always going to disagree with you and your opinions doesn't mean things like that should be outlawed!
Also I will ignore the unwed mother's comment because that is opening up a whole different kettle of fish and as a proud feminist I will get very angry on the subject.

I never took any of those gay and lesbian courses in college and I've never heard of homosexual unions throughout the ages otherwise. Some cultures just have an unfortunate tendency to hold self destructive things as sacred and have died off as a result. As is increasingly happening to ours. The issue isn't something so shallow as one's dislike of other individuals' living arrangements. It's about the survival of a civilization. Which is why my example of unwed welfare mothers which you choose to ignore is so pertinent to this issue. Gay marriage is just one more buzzard circling over our dying civilization.

Gay and lesbian course. No I learned this is Sociology and through a lot of reading.
They were seen to be more pure in some cultures than hetrosexual unions because they were not driven by the need to pro-create.
How is homesexuality self-destructive? No soceity this day in age is horrific and I do not mean just towards homosexuals I mean towards women, muslims, basically anyone who does not comform and this is was is crumbling our society.
You don't know why single mothers are single parents. It might be through death, but more commonly abandonment. My friend is a single mother to twins and she is also a university student who juggles evrything to look after her children. So you can understand why I almost see you statement in a blaming manner and find it rather misogynistic.
Our soceity will contine to thrive but in order to do people need to realize that hatred will get us nowhere in life, denying people rights was done in 50's isn't it time to move onwards.

Sociology, gay/lez studies, whatever garbage course that's useless on a resume and from reading all the wrong books you may have salvaged these insignificant factoids, they're irrelevant to the issues affecting today's society which is the dissolution of marriage and the forming of families.
Unwed motherhood is largely enabled by the absence of moral teaching and by a welfare bureaucracy that effectively rewards it with entitlements. Now you can be indignant about my 'blaming manner' all you like but even aside from a lack moral guidance, or death of the father wouldn't you at least agree that having children outside of a committed marriage is unwise? And abandonment is most likely when there is no marriage commitment. Which is what we're seeing most of today that's contributing to the disintegration of society.

That's a lot of expended effort on a meltdown just to defend a curriculum that's destructive to society. Your swift abandonment of composure is pretty telling. I say destructive because the state's defining down of the vital institution of marriage contributes to great harm to society for the reasons I conclusively established. Your resort to rage, hysterical defensiveness and personal attacks betray the weakness of your position. I'm not at all surprised.

Let me break something down on you.
Society rellies on pillers or 'insititutions' the main one are Govenment, Education, Relgious and Health. Think of them as pillers holding something up at the corners, knock on down cause everything as a whole to fall! Okay have you got that? Marriage is not one of them, you allow gays to get married it will do nothing to soceity! You are just trying to use a largened argument to hide you own bigotted and biased opinon!
It is not vital...The world could move on civilazed without marriage so there should not be barrier around same sex couple for this.
I'm not resorting to rage, I just honestly think you are living in 50's where everything and everyone must conform.

No one is trying to force the church to do anything. The gay marriage 'issues' is about marriage. Not forcing the church to accept homosexuality. Legalizing gay marriage across the country isn't going to force people to accept homosexuality anymore then legalizing interracial marriage forced people to stop being racist. Last time I check there were still racists around. If you don't like gays, and you think it is wrong and god is going to cry rivers of blood and the world will burn in flames if gay people get the rights they deserve, then hey, that is your messed up opinion. If gay marriage is legalized they aren't going to be locking up people who don't agree. If you don't like gay marriage, don't get one. If you don't like gay people, don't associate with them. It's not that hard. Churches will still be able to deny marrying gay people (while still marrying people who have been divorced, traditional marriage huh?). Making gay marriage illegal is unconstitutional. The only argument against it is religious. Read the 1st amendment.

The benefits of same sex marriage are a media hyped myth. The gay marriage campaign is about weakening the influence of individual morality to make our society subservient to the collective morality of the state.

duh.

Gay marriage is about having it recognized by law, not church.

no religion can be forced to believe or do anything they don't or SHOULD!

For some, they want to get married. For some, they want to be able to get married. And for the rest, they want to force others to accept them. I agree with gay marriage, but I don't agree with forcing anywhere to do it. I think civil unions should be a lot easier to get though.

The issue of being married has nothing to do with "The Church."

Why do church protest when the can get more money.

Consider the source of the Kansas story, the blaze.
The bible and the constitution should both be updated to fit modern times.

any Update to the Constitution is done by adding an Amendment, The Founding Father Included rules on how We The People go about doing That . Not by the Opinion of Judges or the whims of a Political Party. But by the will of the People..

agree

It's rather queer they want this done

Communism can not succeed in a society that believes in God (any god) that might be a higher power than the government

Forcing the church to accept homosexuallity.